Rh 9.0?

[tecknophreak]

just got this email:
You may know that Red Hat Network is the best way to keep your
systems running the latest errata and always up to date. What you
might not know is that Red Hat Network passed the one million users
mark earlier this year. We've listened to valuable feedback and have
added two items of interest to keep those users happy - early release
of Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs and improved technical support.

Beginning March 31, 2003, paid subscribers to Red Hat Network will
have access to Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs - a full week before retail store
and Red Hat FTP availability. Also, Red Hat Network subscribers will
receive dedicated Red Hat Network Technical Support.

Anyone hear anything about this one?

[Icarus]

Yup, looks like they are blowing tradition right out of the water with this release...no 8.1 or 8.2, but right to 9...odd that.

http://www.redhat.com/mktg/rh9iso/

So if you have a RHN paid subscription (I doubt the demo accounts are valid for this) you can get the ISOs on March 31st

If you don't have a subscription then April 7th...


...hmmm, the day before April 1st, could this be Red Hat doing an April Fools Day joke? :D

[Okie]

bah humbug,:eek: Redhat is ok, BUT they are just out to make a buck like any other company, atleast they can not monopolize Linux (whew)...


Slackware:cool:

[tecknophreak]

Originally posted by Okie
bah humbug,:eek: Redhat is ok, BUT they are just out to make a buck like any other company, atleast they can not monopolize Linux (whew)...


Slackware:cool:

that's why they have a nice FTP site(i can wait the extra week). free OS. RH for work use, yeah that's right and rh/slack dual boot at home.

i'm really surprised by the no 8.x after 8.0.

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by Okie
bah humbug,:eek: Redhat is ok, BUT they are just out to make a buck like any other company, atleast they can not monopolize Linux (whew)...
Slackware:cool:

Personally, I am ALL FOR anyone's ability to make money off Linux. Be that prepackaged which I like for the convenience (i.e. 56K sucks for large downloads), support, whatever. I bought the 8.0 distro even though I had access to free disks and will very likley buy 9.0. I truly don't need to, but I want to advance the cause any way I can, and through what amount to tiny contributions compared the the exhorbitant cost of other OSs, I help out. I bought the commercial Tuxracer (well worth it too) and vote for Linux with my wallet. Only Linux compatible hardware, and will buy neverending nights once the client becomes commercial instead of beta.

hlrguy

P.S. Probably buy the next SUSE with it's tight integration of KDE for the same reason.

[ZenelithCalling]

since i'm a boob, i like redhat, my one complaint so far is that several times a week, i get rhn alerts to download a new patch. this is what i get for not optimizing my system. ;)

[bwkaz]

Well, RedHat is the king of artificial version number inflation... :p

(/me runs and hides)

(and in light of the "another linux vs. windows thread", this post is in no way meant to be taken seriously...)

[rpcyan]

red hat probably jumped to 9.0 because of mandrake having a 9.1 release. just like Netscape jumped from 4.79 to 6.0 when ms released ie 6.

[netp0et]

I was looking around to find out what are the differences between version 8 and 9 but i was able to find anything on it does anyone know where i can look? Or knows the differences of the two?

[tecknophreak]

i was hoping to find out the same. after looking around i still haven't found anything about it so far. :mad:

[stevewabc]

It's vary close to redhat 8.1rc2 or somthing like that, it could be it with a new # look at
www.distrowatch.com its in there

[chatins]

I also got that email so we can confirm that redhat 9.0 will be out on rhn on march 31. Can't wait for the new stuff!!!! :D

[zdude255]

Originally posted by Okie
bah humbug,:eek: Redhat is ok, BUT they are just out to make a buck like any other company, atleast they can not monopolize Linux (whew)...


Slackware:cool:

I also have no problem with Linux distros making money off packaged cds.

The difference between Linux Companies and M$ is that Linux still offers the OS and ISOs for free off ftp. RedHat, Mandrake or any other distro can't afford to send out free boxed sets of CDs to anyone that inquires. Plus, the funds they get keep the company and much development, support, and publicity for Linux itself.

As for your opinion on the superiority of Slackware, I am fine with that as well. One of the great benifits of Linux is choice and we are all entitled to our own setup with our own distros, but please don't flame other users about their own decision. (We have windows users for that, hehe :D)

[Okie]

yeah, lol, i did not mean to sound mis-leading, there is nothing wrong with redhat wanting to make a buck, nothing wrong with ANYONE wanting to make a buck for that matter, everyone gots to put vittles on the table and pay the bills...

i just saw no reason to make a big "to-do" over redhat putting out a new release, and i do wish Redhat good luck in their endeavours, but no more luck than any other linux distributer, (mandrake, slackware, debian, gentoo, etc...etc...etc...) may the best ones win!!!:D

[retoon]

maybe a dumb question, but does anyone know what kernel its gonna use? Will it use 2.4.20? Just curious

[netp0et]

I am not sure about what version of the kernel they are going to use but only time will tell.

As for the new RH 9.0 I read the review on the 8.1 beta and i think it is going to be awesome. It is just a shame i have to wait until April 7th to get it. :(

[gkedrovs]

Seems like a previous post coined it: inflated version numbers for marketing purposes. I was a little disappointed myself when I got the e-mail announcing "Version 9!" Sheesh...

Now, just think of the poor sap who wrote "Red Hat Linux 8.0 Bible." 1158 pages that he has to write ALL OVER AGAIN!!! Ha!

I know... I know... just change the cover, the footer, the copyright and the price... and you have an updated book. It was just a joke...

I'm happy with Red Hat 8.0. Until it breaks or I learn it all, I imagine I'll stick with it.

I wonder what version LFS is on... ?? ;)

-gk

[ph1014]

If I just managed to get RH 8.0 working okay - after weeks of torment - is it really worth my time to upgrade?
What major differences, if any, will there be? Anyone?

[gkedrovs]

Originally posted by ph1014
If I just managed to get RH 8.0 working okay - after weeks of torment - is it really worth my time to upgrade?
What major differences, if any, will there be? Anyone?

IMHO, no.

Check it out first, and make an intelligent, informed evaluation. What do you use Linux for? Can you accomplish all those tasks with RH8? Is there anything in RH9 that would make those tasks easier, or do other tasks that you want to do but cannot under RH8? Do you want to be able to put "Running Red Hat 9.0!" in your sig?

I like the question someone posted about the kernel. That will be interesting. Red Hat can come out with version 9, 10, 11, 12, whatever, and if they still run 2.4.18, then... what's the difference? some packages (that you can download and install yourself)? some more Red Hat specific configuration frontends? I dunno.

I'm a little disappointed with the release. It hardly seems to warrent a "9.0." Why not 8.1? Sadness... But, not enough sadness, yet, to change my favorite distro.

-gk

[Icarus]

From the little bits I've been able to find about it, there are significant changes that make most of the RPMs for 8.0 unable to run. I think the kernel will be at least 2.4.20, and maybe a new gcc which would explain why some RPMs for 8 won't work.

I've been using the beta on my laptop for a while now and like it a lot, if they keep that darned custom menu out of there it looks to be a great release.

I'm also hearing Gnome 2.2 will be there, which has a lot of speed improvements over 2.0 and updated Nautilus for faster loading. I haven't heard much about the KDE side, but it should be using the latest there also.

If there are that many changes that warrant a new version instead of a point release it might be interesting to see

I'll post what I can find out for sure without speculation ;)
But Red Hat isn't putting out very much...I still think it's an April Fools joke :D

But I guess Matt Wilson has a good point in this posting on the pheobe threads (https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/phoebe-list/2003-March/004919.html)

[tecknophreak]

well, from one of the links above, it sounds like their threads have been improved. i've used threads for a bunch of programs so if they're better now, then the upgrade is good. ;)

[bwkaz]

BEWARE of RH 9's threads! They break nVidia's current (and past) drivers!

RH has backported TLS (that is, thread-local storage) from kernel 2.5. Well, TLS uses the x86 fs and gs segment registers, where the old kernel didn't do that.

This wouldn't be a problem, except that the nVidia closed-source GLX driver also clobbers fs and gs -- or from the perspective of the drivers, the kernel clobbers them. This causes fairly major issues, obviously.

Until nVidia comes out with a driver that works with the new RH (they'll have to eventually anyway), you're probably going to want to stay away from it...

[tecknophreak]

so if you're saying the rh9 threads and nvidia don't work, but the rh9 threads work with everything else(i'm assuming, making me an ***) i'd like to say it's nvidia's fault. :D

but seriously, is that the only problem with them?

[Icarus]

Well, considering that nVidia has not released a new driver since early December it's about time they released a new set (at least to fix what they broke in the 41. release ;))

[semiSfear]

They may be trying to earn some doe on their distro. Still just to wait 1 week and then getting it free is no problem for me.

[ph1014]

Originally posted by gkedrovs
What do you use Linux for?

I mainly use it to program C and java, so I think I will stick with RH 8.0 especially after seeing that nVida doesn't work with RH 9.0 further up in the thread!

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by tecknophreak
so if you're saying the rh9 threads and nvidia don't work, but the rh9 threads work with everything else AFAIK, yes, everything else works. No user program should be using fs and gs anyway -- they only need cs, ds, and ss (code, data, and stack segments -- there's also es, for "extra segment", and fs/gs were just adding onto that for OS'es, mostly). No code should need to care about any segment other than its code, data, and stack. In fact, gcc (as far as I can tell) won't let you use other segment registers.

i'd like to say it's nvidia's fault. :D You're right, but nVidia isn't doing anything about it (at least, not publically or officially, yet). The problem has been there since RH backported TLS from kernel 2.5 in their early (8.0.92, give or take) betas.

[El_Cu_Guy]

ed hat probably jumped to 9.0 because of mandrake having a 9.1 release. just like Netscape jumped from 4.79 to 6.0 when ms released ie 6.
Contrary to some reports, Netscape did not skip over version 5.0, as did, say, Microsoft when it jumped from elected to jump several version numbers in its Visual Studio 1.1-to-7.0 release cycle).

The long and short is that Netscape started work on a version it planned to call Communicator 5.0. It would have been an evolutionary upgrade of the existing Communicator 4.x code base. Netscape scrapped the work it had done on 5.0 in favor of pursuing the Mozilla.org open-source-based Gecko browser, which was built anew from the ground up. That's why it's taken Netscape so long to issue a major new release; the company actually had a 5.0 version we never got to see. So when it came time to name this release, the 6.0 version number was natural for them. You'll notice that the name "Netscape 6" is reminiscent of the way AOL names its products. Left to its own devices, Netscape might have departed from a numeric naming convention.

They may be trying to earn some doe on their distro. Still just to wait 1 week and then getting it free is no problem for me.

How disappointing. In all these years people like this still exist. Commercial GNU/Linux vendors offeriing anything free through FTP is not a requirement. If all you want is free (as in cost) look elsewhere.

[tecknophreak]

you know, i wonder how long after redhat opens up 9.0 on March 31, that it will be widely available...hint, hint :D i mean, that version should be no different from the version being opened to the public so you can give a copy to anyone you want, though CDs, FTP, etc.

unless they make you "sign" a license stating that you won't give out the ISOs until the week after :rolleyes:

[bazoukas]

Am RedHat user.
Now I have RedHat8.

The fact that I wont be able to installrpms8.0 (unless a tweak it) sounds like more trouble than its worth.

And with the NVIDIA drivers, if what you say guys is true,,,gah.


Seems like 9.0 is gonna be more pain on the butt than anything.

[Okie]

i noticed redhat's distro actually phisically labels disk partitions which is a big "NO NO" for me since i like to have multiple linux distros installed, and the way Redhat labels disk partitions now screws up other distros (mounting problems) so Redhat has been abandoned by me...

in my humble opinion the last really good release redhat made was 7.1, so now i am allways on the hunt for other distros to try, so far lately i find VectorSoho good, also EvilEntity another good one...


sometimes those hardcore Debian users idea that redhat is the M$FT of Linux is starting to sound right afterall (just a little)...

[Icarus]

Originally posted by Okie
sometimes those hardcore Debian users idea that redhat is the M$FT of Linux is starting to sound right afterall (just a little)... Naw...Microsoft NEVER shared anything ;)

[grendian]

Well, I for one am a fan of Red Hat. I started on 7.3 and appreciated the jump to 8.0, however I don't notice much difference with 9.0. I mean, it's got KDE 3.1 which I was about to upgrade to, but it really seems like it should just be 8.1. Whatever, I'd be upgrading anyway.

Red Hat is obviously making an effort to come out with user friendly releases and I supposed 9 is more friendly than 8.1(oh no! it's got a decimal!! AHH!)

So what next? Red Hat Millenium? Red Hat 2004? 2K4?

[tecknophreak]

if they get more user friendly, i'm going to have to find myself a new distro! :mad:

i tried mandrake and it seemed like a more user friendly distro, which i found frustrating cause i think it tried to do too much. sorry, but once you learn a bunch of the lower level things, the user friendly craps got to go.

maybe i'll just use rh for my desktop and slackware for all of my development. i usually just use tar.gz's for installing sw anyway.