Linux OUT, Windows Longhorn IN! [Archive]

gkedrovs

02-15-2003, 04:34 PM

It just kinda seems like more of the same. Every couple of years, come out with the "new! improved! stable!" winDoze, just to make a buck.

But, it's all the same under the hood...

I kinda see it like someone said to me once:

You can paint a terd... but it's still a terd.

Inside, it's always gonna be MS Windows... regardless of how "nice" it looks or is propagandized.

I think the only really deep philosophical question we can pull from all this is: do we spell "terd" with an "e" or with a "u"... terd? or turd? :-)

-gk

(Careful... I was taking a shot at humor again...)

bosox79

02-15-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by gkedrovs
It just kinda seems like more of the same. Every couple of years, come out with the "new! improved! stable!" winDoze, just to make a buck.

But, it's all the same under the hood...

I kinda see it like someone said to me once:

You can paint a terd... but it's still a terd.

Inside, it's always gonna be MS Windows... regardless of how "nice" it looks or is propagandized.

I think the only really deep philosophical question we can pull from all this is: do we spell "terd" with an "e" or with a "u"... terd? or turd? :-)

-gk

(Careful... I was taking a shot at humor again...)

I would agree with you gkedrovs Windows 2000 is the last MS OS I will ever pay for unless I see some true stability & intavatition from MS & not to mention a drastic drop in the price of the OS. By the time longhorn hits the market Linux will have made even more progress then it already has: on both servers & the desktop, I hope that I can counting to help Linux progress. I can't wait to see what the feature holds for Linux :D :cool:

Thorin

02-15-2003, 05:07 PM

Ugh, I didn't think MS could top the default XP look in terms of ugliness and bloat.

First of all, why an analog clock? Just so they can have a longhorn background on it? Oh yeah, five pixels below the longhorn clock, there's the normal windows clock

Why does a quick-launch bar have names for all the shortcuts? If you put something in a quick-launch bar, it's probably because it is used often, therefore, there is no need for a description.

Halfway down the screen, there is a "program list", which looks just like the quick launch bar with only useless MS apps. Why would someone divide their quicklaunch bar into two pieces?

Not to mention the extremely wide start menu (which was in XP also).

Like I said before, ugh

That's why I still use win98SE for games and Flux as my Linux WM, they're both clean and efficient. They do what I want them to do, no extra prettiness that fills the whole desktop.

Taris_Kah

02-15-2003, 05:20 PM

I totally agree, the new longhorn looks crappy, and Linux will always be one step ahead just like it always has been, at least when it comes to features and such in it's desktop. And listen to this.

"Don't be startled if the next Windows feels a little more like a service (potentially with pay-as-you-go components, Sullivan says). Web-based apps from MSN and from third-party sites, for instance, might be tightly integrated into the Start menu. Tools that build on today's MSN Messenger will probably have a high profile, as well.

The more Webbified Windows becomes, the more you might fret about hackers, viruses, and other Net intrusions. Enter Palladium, another Microsoft initiative, which relies on new Intel and AMD chips to promise Fort Knox-like security. The big question? Whether Palladium will be fully baked in time for Longhorn's release.

One other Longhorn goal is to make Windows more entertaining. "We want to take advantage of the new hardware that's out there now and that will appear in the next couple of years," says Sullivan. Microsoft has already notified graphics vendors that its user interface will want 3D capability and lots of video memory for fancy effects."

That disturbes me.

hop-frog

02-15-2003, 05:26 PM

more pictures here (http://picdump.dhs.org/gallery/album68). looks like they are making the same dumb mistake KDE did of having a double-decker taskbar

knute

02-15-2003, 05:28 PM

ROFLMAO

Doesn't the sidebar in that screenshot remind you of a gkrellm session? Albiet an ugly session, but one still the same. :)

Gotta go brush my teeth now so that they don't rot from all that junk in that screenshot.

arioch

02-15-2003, 05:45 PM

GOOD!!! I'm tired of running windows dribblesnout.:D

sasKuatch

02-15-2003, 07:06 PM

...it's ugly...

...oh yeah! It looks just like XP! And I see they have taken a departure from the decade-old windows layout.

kam

02-15-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by hop-frog
more pictures here (http://picdump.dhs.org/gallery/album68). looks like they are making the same dumb mistake KDE did of having a double-decker taskbar You could have a double-decker taskbar in all the previous Windows, and you can apparently change it in longhorn too.

Zoist

02-15-2003, 09:49 PM

It will just be another boring OS and a waste of money.

f76

02-15-2003, 10:46 PM

thorin:
can u play all recent games on 98se?? maybe i should get myself that instead of XP cause its lagging my athlon1800xp+ down :(

Thorin

02-15-2003, 11:50 PM

I can play newer games on 98se, but I wouldn't recommend it, it crashes often with Direct3D games, OpenGL games are perfect.

If I had to buy another MS OS I would probably get 2000 Pro, it's not as compatible but it's stable.

And that comment about the Longhorn UI using 3d acceleration, all I can say is ROFL!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Now, repeat with me. BLOAT! Blo-at!

Zoist

02-15-2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Thorin
probably get 2000 Pro, it's not as compatible but it's stable.

Windoze XP. More stable, better game playing.

Zoist

02-16-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by f76
cause its lagging my athlon1800xp+ down :(

How much ram have you got?

jgr220

02-16-2003, 11:29 AM

Those screenshots look like LAMO ripoffs of enlightenment. Enlightenment=aliens,ripple effect etc Longhorn= lame fluffy clouds etc :rolleyes:

fracex

02-16-2003, 04:20 PM

Is it just me, or would that side bar do nothing but get in the way? And from the screenshots I see, what does it do thats so special, that can't all ready be done in a normal taskbar? I'm sure everybody wants a big freaken clock wasting desktop space, that can easily be just as effective down in its corner, where it sould be.

Space-Cadet

02-16-2003, 04:42 PM

It's ugly as hell, but I think that's a sign. A sign of MS's inevitable fall. Longhorn's ugliness, new incompatibilities, and DRM will be a big part of MS's downfall. And any good new things it DOES have will make their way into the open source world sooner or later anyway...

Haunted

02-16-2003, 05:44 PM

I think it is too early to judge Longhorn. It is probably not going to be done untill 2005. Probably Microsoft just took the stable Windows XP code and are adding new features.

Don't you guys think that the new filysystem-database thing sounds interesting?

I have to admit that the new bar sux though :)

BFK4ever

02-16-2003, 06:35 PM

HELLO GUYS YOU CAN DISABLE THE SIDEBAR!!!

Excuse me for shouting but jeeze. I just saw an option to disable the sidebar in a screeny! The Phex theme looks ulta-ugly-***-style, but that's b/c it's new. I havn't posted here in a while, b/c I had ONLY linux installed, and my pre-modded xbox is just about here, so I wanted windows for some xbox things. (Such as FTPing, and other misc. programs...) Maybe I will give Mandy linux 9.0 a try on my xbox when it arrives! (Or ed's Debian Distro...)

Anyhow if longhorn is just a XP's base code w/ some extra features maybe I will be dual-booting Longhorn 3683 build (if everything works out ok) and JAMD Linux 0.0.5 when it comes out :O). XP is by far the most stable of ALL M$ os's, but still doesn't compare to linux. If it was between either an M$ Win9x system or any linux distro, I think many people now-a-day's would choose the linux distro hands down. I can't wait for the new JAMD distro to come out so I can dive into linux again! Already I miss mplayer, and XMMS, and *sigh* fluxbox, and kopete, and *breaks down and starts crying* Phoenix... :(

Tux, o tux where art thou?

(The sad part is I have only been away from linux for about >10 days!!!)

bosox79

02-16-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Haunted
I think it is too early to judge Longhorn. It is probably not going to be done untill 2005. Probably Microsoft just took the stable Windows XP code and are adding new features.

Don't you guys think that the new filysystem-database thing sounds interesting?

I have to admit that the new bar sux though :)

I don't know if the file system sounds to interesting because by the time longhorn is out the Linux file system will be even more stable & mature then it already is:cool: after using Linux for the past 8 months or so I have come to discover that almost anything MS does or tries to do with an OS has already been done in another OS or can be done:cool: This is one reason that OSS rules IMHO. About the only thing MS has going for it as far as OS originality is a huge marketing budget$$ & a big hype machine. I find myself using MS software less & less because there are better alternatives that meet my needs/wants.

BFK4ever

02-16-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by bosox79
I don't know if the file system sounds to interesting because by the time longhorn is out the Linux file system will be even more stable & mature then it already is:cool:

I wasn't that excited either when I heard about the new FS. Wtf is wrong w/ NTFS? If it's not broken don't fix it! NTFS is a huge improvement over FAT32, I really don't see how there could be a better FS than NTFS for Win32 right now...

bosox79

02-16-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by BFK4ever
I wasn't that excited either when I heard about the new FS. Wtf is wrong w/ NTFS? If it's not broken don't fix it! NTFS is a huge improvement over FAT32, I really don't see how there could be a better FS than NTFS for Win32 right now...

I agree with you BFK4ever , I think the file system rewrite;) is just a big excuse to make people think that it is that much better then what is or what will be avalible from other OS's or previous MS offerings Remember that MS is pretty notorious for changing/breaking things that already worked well together think DOS & Windows 3.1 or office 97. MS likes to add bloat & call it a new feature

Dawa13

02-17-2003, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by f76
thorin:
can u play all recent games on 98se?? maybe i should get myself that instead of XP cause its lagging my athlon1800xp+ down :(
98SE runs games with 100% ease and is the best windows if ur gonna use it

gkedrovs

02-17-2003, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Dawa13
98SE runs games with 100% ease and is the best windows if ur gonna use it

Ditto. That's been my experience. I know run Win98SE in Win4Lin for Macromedia Studio webdev stuff.

-gk

BFK4ever

02-17-2003, 01:12 AM

Well folks right now I am posting this from Longhorn XP 2003, fully installed and 'activated' with the timebomb disarmed :O). I must say it's pretty neat. Essentially XP Pro w/ some new features, and cooler stuff. Nothing you absolutly need really, just more bloat ;O). The sidebar is retarded IMHO and just soaks up screen space, which is very precious when you run in 800x600 res. Initially the OS is not for a noob, as you have to definetly RTFM, and STFW. After you do a couple essentially nessasary tweaks the system starts running good. An example of this is that the default animation that IE plays when you download something. In this build it's missing 2 .avi files, and the whole IE will crash (oh no)! Ok so I go to run and type 'command' ftp ftp.mozilla.org Next thing you know phoenix is installed and the NVIDIA drivers are go, and I am downloading music from the newest Kazaa Lite 2.1.0 and listening to them on Winamp 3. Well this was after I used a crack to get at the activation and do away w/ the timebomb. It takes a little work, but if your decent at linux and have 30 minutes you can setup a good OS. Overall now I like it better than WinXP Pro and would recommend you people switch if you want (and/or willing). The problem is the daunting setup and by default M$ makes it's OS's easy to install. It depends what release of Longhorn you d/l. By default if you burn the regular image it cannot boot it and do a clean install. However there are fixes for this, or you can be like me and just d/l a pre-modified image so It will boot, and contain various other fixes. Longhorn is not totally awesome, but I believe it's worth the d/l over XP if you are willing to work w/ it. (Not that I am condoning piracy or anything, but you people out there that are going to do it anyway, give this a go) It's also cool b/c you can say you are running Longhorn, and feel kind of as if you were saying you run LFS (well not really but still :O) I still have some tweaking to do, but overall I like it from what I have seen so far. Probably my fav. feature is right clicking on My Computer and seeing:

Microsoft Longhorn XP

Professional

Version 2003

:)

nuvan

02-17-2003, 01:36 AM

I think that maybe MS is worried about Linux gaining the ability to flawlessly Read/Write on NTFS, and THAT is why they're changing to this new DB-based FS...

oh ya, while i'm here, the new sidebar Suxx

plattypus1

02-17-2003, 03:21 PM

I wonder, have any Windows users ever heard of "Screen Real-Estate"? Seems to me the backgrounds don't really matter when you can't see them 'cuz they're hidden by about 50 "new and improved" interface features including... what's this? AN ANALOG CLOCK?! Oh, and a Start Menu that fills half the screen.

My prediction: Linux will soon have all the user-friendliness that the average user needs so that it will become a viable desktop OS option for the masses. When? Who knows? Hopefully before M$ starts shoving "Longhorn" down our throats.

noir_tux

02-17-2003, 05:30 PM

God, that thing is fugly.

One of Sidebar's optional elements, or "tiles," lets you switch between multiple virtual desktops...
I love how they're trying to copy the perks of *nix with each new Windows version. Wasn't there something spoken of CDs having to be 'mounted' and 'unmounted' in a Windows version?

It just worries me that people will think all these new things in Windows will be original innovations, and that Windows is the first and only OS with such novel ideas.

...2005. That would be nearly four years after Windows XP's debut...
I hope it takes several years to get this Longhorn thing out. Give the current Windows a chance to die down, and Windows users an opportunity to find all the downfalls of it. Let Linux/*nix get a stronger foothold with PC users.

gkedrovs

02-17-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by noir_tux
God, that thing is fugly.

...

I hope it takes several years to get this Longhorn thing out. Give the current Windows a chance to die down, and Windows users an opportunity to find all the downfalls of it. Let Linux/*nix get a stronger foothold with PC users.

"Fugly." Now, that's funny, man... :-) Never heard that before.

I don't think it will take ms that long to come out with their next offering of a don't-make-me-think operating system. Bill Gates might be a geek, but he's a much better business man (wasn't his dad a lawyer).

We all know why ms exists: $$. Plain and simple. It's the icon of the free market and a good work ethic. Hey, Bill made money and he's still making it. He's good at it.

It seems to me that ms runs on a 2-year cycle. They come out with an offering (the latest, greatest o/s since God made the brain) and everyone rushes out to buy it (and of course, they have to upgrade hardware to run the dang fool thing because it's such a memory/storage hog!). In about two years' time, the bugs are outta the cage, the registery bloats, the system crashes... whatever.

Bill says, "I fixed it!" Hence, the new offering.

I run win98se in Win4Lin. For windows, it's "stable." But, you know what...? When I ran win98 before Linux came into my life (ahh...!), after about 2 years the registery was so stinkin bloated that it was hosed. A techy says, "Get System Mechanic and clean it up." Right. There is a series of commands that will fix the bloat:
1. fdisk
2. format C: /s

Why is that? MS is out to make money. Bill and his buddies build operating systems that are planned to fail (or at least annoy the h_ll out of you with problems, patches, etc.) within a 2 or 3 year time span. Why? If he didn't, cash flow would stop.

It's all about money. Longhorn will be out and on the shelves in 2004.

-gk

bwkaz

02-17-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by noir_tux
Wasn't there something spoken of CDs having to be 'mounted' and 'unmounted' in a Windows version? Not CDs, specifically, but the new disk management GUI thingy that comes with Win2K and newer can mount drives at different places in the filesystem. So you can have, instead of C:\ for the system and D:\ for the games, C:\ for the system and C:\Games for all the games. And C:\Games can be on a separate partition.

Functionality, of course, which Unix has had since its inception... :rolleyes:

knute

02-17-2003, 08:29 PM

LOL So then you are going to get users creating a whole bunch of mount points that lead nowhere, and then M$ can make even more money in tech support fees telling them to mount that partiton before they try to play that game. :)

Actually, from what was just written, it sounds like it's going to be nightmare as you can have more than one file system over multiple partitions. (C:\, C:\Games, D:\, D:\whatever). I'm glad I'm not in tech support anymore. :D

carrja99

02-17-2003, 10:47 PM

Wow.. I wonder where they came up with the concept for virtual desktops? That's such an innovative, revolutionary idea!

Seminole

02-17-2003, 11:41 PM

I'm fully converted from Winderz......

I will not "install the long horn". I think that process speaks for itself!

Cadwgawn

02-18-2003, 02:12 AM

50 bucks says that the new file system is more like fat3. I bet they even change program files to BIN.

ralph wiggum

02-18-2003, 02:21 AM

Is it just me, or is this whole "database filesystem" concept scarier then an old man bean bag?

if its anything like SQL then may god help us all, every other day it seems like theres a new exploit somehow related to SQL... I know the 2 would end up being completely different, but you know they would be related some how...

and is anyone actually surprised by the looks of Microsofs windows "Fischer Price Edition" version 2.0 ;)

ralph wiggum

02-18-2003, 02:23 AM

oh, and one last thing...

Dual Desktops

One of Sidebar's optional elements, or "tiles," lets you switch between multiple virtual desktops--a standard feature of the graphical interfaces that ship with Linux, but hitherto available for Windows only in a few third-party graphics drivers and utilities. Using Sidebar's Desktop Manager tile, you can drag running applications from one virtual desktop to another, allowing you to use multiple programs simultaneously with less on-screen clutter.

how amazingly fantasmorgically jawdroppingfabulishly original! :rolleyes:

retoon

02-18-2003, 03:22 AM

I still can't believe it, now I have to go out and study this fu*king operating system to the bone. Bull Sh*t! I will never install it, but I will be forced to work with it. Being a technician sucks some times. Any input on whether or not it will offer 64 bit capability and 32 bit backwards compatibility?

ralph wiggum

02-18-2003, 03:43 AM

Last I heard, MS is releasing a 64bit version of XP in the near future. I would imagine that they would offer at least 2 versions of LH, 32bit and 64bit

I bet one version that was backwards compatible would be bug city, plus they can get more money if theres 2 instead of 1....

scrub

02-18-2003, 05:50 AM

I didn't read the entire thread coz I am also sick of the winging bastards that complain about windoze when there are very affordable alternatives that do the job for you at about $1000 less (os + office suite).

I better stop my dribbling now.

ralph wiggum

02-18-2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by scrub
I didn't read the entire thread coz I am also sick of the winging bastards that complain about windoze when there are very affordable alternatives that do the job for you at about $1000 less (os + office suite).

I hate winging bastards to. Why do these people have to have so many wings? its a feathery monopoly!

El_Cu_Guy

02-19-2003, 12:30 PM

Actually, from what was just written, it sounds like it's going to be nightmare as you can have more than one file system over multiple partitions. (C:\, C:\Games, D:\, D:\whatever). I'm glad I'm not in tech support anymore.

Mounting the drives simply makes disk management a whole lot easier. It won't effect whether or not some thing accessible. If you know how drive mounting works you can also better understand Dfs (distributed filesystem).

Rather than having individual drive icons to click you can simply mount the drive so that everything appears under a single heirarchy. It's not that different from Unix.

When you mount a drive it will appear as a folder such as C:\<mounted drive>, where <mounted drive> is the name of the new folder you specify (similar to the mount point in Unix. Once you unmount the drive it is automatically assigned the next drive letter or its original drive letter if it's not currently being used by say a mapped drive.

In other words the don't have to be mounted like this in order to be used.

Is it just me, or is this whole "database filesystem" concept scarier then an old man bean bag?

Obviously you believe the concept is something new. Ever used BeOS?

I bet one version that was backwards compatible would be bug city, plus they can get more money if theres 2 instead of 1....

Backwards compatibility? No, not unless the processor was built to allow it. That's where AMD's new processor comes in. It supposed to make the transition easier. Otherwise you'd have to buy new or recompile your software.

windowsfree

02-26-2003, 12:56 PM

I've looked into this new Longhorn thang and I'm not impressed at all, as far as this Palladium thing goes, well, check out www.windows1984.com
I don't run any microsoft downgrades or vaporware, they're in the computer business not to inovate but to make a buck by exploiting the market. Thanks Billy but I'll stick with an operating system that works LINUX!

mrussel1

02-26-2003, 01:53 PM

Has anybody heard anything more about those vague comments in the article about paying for various services, and pay-as-you-go billing?

One the one hand, it would be nice to pay less for an OS without all the bloat (but I'm sure this will not be an option). On the other, I had heard that MS was looking into subscription-type billing... will this be the case with Longhorn? This might just be the straw that breaks Joe User's back... Linux, anyone???

XP's Activation crap was annoying enough.... Once, I took my DVD-rom out of my PC, and on next boot, XP told me that due to "significant hardware changes," I would need to re-register. I've got your longhorn right here, Bill! :p

mrussel1

02-26-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by scrub
I didn't read the entire thread coz I am also sick of the winging bastards that complain about windoze when there are very affordable alternatives that do the job for you at about $1000 less (os + office suite).

I better stop my dribbling now.

I do see your point... but realize that Windows is a fact of life for many of us in the network support/administration business, at least at work.

Most corporate enterprises have at least some Unix/Linux servers, but it'll be a long time before you see it on a lot of corporate desktops... and mere peons like myself are in no position to dicated corporate standards. :(

Zyglow

02-26-2003, 06:31 PM

Lots of luck getting corporations to use it. Many companies I know that use Windows networking are still using NT domain controllers. The new file system sounds like an admins worst nightmare. They tried that idea in Active Directory and it fell short because it's a feature no one cares about.

So what if they load it on every retail box? We all know retail systems suck in one way or another. And, I could care less what people run on their system, as long as I don't have to fix it. Linux is gaining ground. So much so in the past couple years that LH may just be an "option".

chatins

02-27-2003, 02:29 AM

Is pcworld still around? must be a shadow of their former self to be reviewing pre beta leaks.

you would not catch a fine mag like linuxworld compromising editorial principals to support a bogus os. guess there will be plenty of viruses ready to go on launch day 2007.

craiggiles

02-27-2003, 02:19 PM

Longhorn looks parp!

have you read this?

One of Sidebar's optional elements, or "tiles," lets you switch between multiple virtual desktops!!

Linux has had this for years (the virtual desktops anyway)

Bloody M$ stealing other peoples ideas, oh sorry there all other peoples ideas every single product from the micro"lets copy it" soft coproration is and was copdied just look at win 95 its a rip off 0f Acorns Arthur OS!!!!

They should be prosected for theft!

Lemming

02-27-2003, 02:53 PM

Oh look, a sidebar... wait u can do that in Linux
Oh look, an analogue clock.... wait that's Linux too
Oh look, multiple desktops.... nope, still Linux
Oh look, nice new desktop theme.... hang on, that looks familliar....
Oh look, you have to mount the discs.... wait, that seems familliar too....

Methinks Bill has run out of ideas folks

dehuszar

03-11-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by bosox79
I don't know if the file system sounds to interesting because by the time longhorn is out the Linux file system will be even more stable & mature then it already is:cool: after using Linux for the past 8 months or so I have come to discover that almost anything MS does or tries to do with an OS has already been done in another OS or can be done:cool: This is one reason that OSS rules IMHO. About the only thing MS has going for it as far as OS originality is a huge marketing budget$$ & a big hype machine. I find myself using MS software less & less because there are better alternatives that meet my needs/wants.

Actually, the only thing Micro$oft has going for it is consumer dependance. There's a fantastic article (tome) that really puts a lot of good hard analysis on tons of articles published in the past year or so (many of which I've already read). Here's the link, though you may want to pack some prozak for the trip. :P

Sam

p.s. oh yeah.... here it is:
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#I2

viperlin

03-11-2003, 04:19 PM

where can i get the beta of longhorn
i wanna mess with it as i'm running out of OS's to spend 2 hours pissing with.
i'll try it in VMware with my network card disconnected, knowing M$ the spyware will allready be in.

Extreme_Toad

03-11-2003, 04:19 PM

Win98SE crashes with recent directX games? Really? Wow. Could have fooled this Win98Se user.

But anyhow, yeah. Microsoft stinks. If I could ditch windows it would be out the window in a heartbeat. But Linux lacks games. So I am stuck on the dark side.

InferiorWang

03-11-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by ralph wiggum
Last I heard, MS is releasing a 64bit version of XP in the near future. I would imagine that they would offer at least 2 versions of LH, 32bit and 64bit

I bet one version that was backwards compatible would be bug city, plus they can get more money if theres 2 instead of 1.... I have a friend at a Computer Rennaisance (sp?) that installed a 64 bit XP on a custom box. Apparently the thing performed amazingly well on benchmarks, but they were able to get BRAND NEW incredibly fast hardware for it all. Some of the stuff they got hadn't even been released to the general public yet.

bosox79

03-11-2003, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by dehuszar
Actually, the only thing Micro$oft has going for it is consumer dependance. There's a fantastic article (tome) that really puts a lot of good hard analysis on tons of articles published in the past year or so (many of which I've already read). Here's the link, though you may want to pack some prozak for the trip. :P

Sam

p.s. oh yeah.... here it is:
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#I2

Thanks for the link it looks like some interesting reading:cool:

GaMMa

03-11-2003, 07:39 PM

Yea... have to agree with everyone else... GOD that new bar a waste of space... looks like this OS is nothing but Windows XP with another bar thrown in. I bet 2 Windows OS's from now you won't even be able to see your background at all, it'll be covered by bars... "the Desktop Menu Bar"... covers the desktop with a huge clock.. lol...

Seriosuly though, more bloat, gaming is going to be slower than ever because of all the other processes going on... say bye to resources. I honestly think Windows 2K Pro is the best (Windows) OS around, runs fast, plays games and is pretty new. Linux, as well as other operating systems, introduced these features waaaaaaaaay before other Windows platforms did. Stupid MS.

andysimmons

03-11-2003, 07:44 PM

It's missing something aesthetically speaking....maybe try to cram in some more baby blue and double the size of that sidebar...it's still not quite taking up the whole screen.

robagen

03-12-2003, 12:21 AM

Er, uh, looks a L O T like XP!!
Supposedly it'll include this thingie
whereat there'll be a distributed filesystem or some such where everything is a file, and--oh, yes.
That's the Linux/Unix approach, yes?
I'd run the monster(LH or XP if it
were GIVEN to me by a generous relative..but only buy it if they ahem
slashed the price 60%. You'll still make the light bill, Bill.

El_Cu_Guy

03-12-2003, 12:54 AM

Oh look, you have to mount the discs.... wait, that seems familliar too....

See Lemming, this is what happens when you don't read. Mounting drives is an option. It's not required. Never used W2K I take it.

Yea... have to agree with everyone else... GOD that new bar a waste of space... looks like this OS is nothing but Windows XP with another bar thrown in.

Just like the sidebar in MSN it can be shrunk. Look closely at screenshot of the Longhorn conecptual desktop. See the X? It can be removed. I'm guessing it will also auto hide. It's there if you want to use it.

I would really be amazed if it were some what dynamic. If portion change depending on the application being used. I'm sure MS Office would take advantage of that.

What I want to know is whether or not MS decide to go with multiple processes. Currently explorer, the tasbar etc is launch as a single process. One thing goes wrong it takes down the entire desktop. Even if the process is restarted it doesn't look or work properly. I'd hate to see the sidebar crash everything else.

I bet 2 Windows OS's from now you won't even be able to see your background at all, it'll be covered by bars... "the Desktop Menu Bar"... covers the desktop with a huge clock.. lol...

You can cover the desktop in Windows 98 with bars. It's an option. Don't like it then disable it.

Seriosuly though, more bloat, gaming is going to be slower than ever because of all the other processes going on... say bye to resources.

A smart move would be to suspend the processes don't you think since they won't be necessary.

whereat there'll be a distributed filesystem or some such where everything is a file, and--oh, yes.

I believe you mean database file system not distributed.

That's the Linux/Unix approach, yes?

No