This is in light of the I Hate Smokers

[Huggy]

I don’t smoke, I personally don’t want to but my best friend smokes he is 21 and been doing it since I guess 17. His girlfriend bugs him all this time, steals his smokes and lights and she’ll give them to me, I’ll give them back to him. If he wants to stop and needs help I’ll help, more then happy to and he knows that, so I don’t bug him about it.

Read all the, smoking bad for you posts there made me think about my friend Alcohol.
YES Alcohol.

Think about it.

Alcohol kills you slowly, people find drunks offensive and smelly and I’m sure that Alcohol causes cancer, what doesn’t these days. so lets all stop drinking. Who Is In? put that bottle down.

Oh hold on Jack Daniels is calling, he wants a beer.

Unless the doc tells me to stop, I’m not…. I’m not a Alcoholic by any means but I like my beer and other drinks. + I would never drink and drive. I'm a safe and happy drinker

So let just leave peoples habbits to themselfes.
Can't we all just get along

Thanks..

[Tempus77]

relax, we're all getting alone just fine...........it's just that we're trying to make life more interesting here on JLC by "arguing" over sensitive topics. :D

[Huggy]

No worries I am relax I'm just making an point.

Live and let live or if you will
Live and let die which ever

But think about it, is it not true Alcohol vs smoking its a tie.

time for a beer. :D

[timbobagginsii]

Nope, I wouldn't come and piss on your head.

[Huggy]

Nope, I wouldn't come and piss on your head.
Why not? :confused:

:D there are no rules when your drunk. feel free to piss on my head.

[Tempus77]

there are no rules when your drunk. feel free to piss on my head

why? does it feel good to have someone piss on your head when u're drunk? :D

[timbobagginsii]

Originally posted by Huggy
Why not? :confused:

:D there are no rules when your drunk. feel free to piss on my head.
Well. You won't like it. You won't thank me. You'll regret it in the morning. But seeing as you insist...

[The Ennead IX]

Check out the figures for drink related crime though, the fatalities from drink driving etc etc.

[Hena]

If you think the amounts that are wasted by society in drinking&smoking then they both should be outlawed (probably if they were found now, they would).

But i think the main difference is. As tsated earlier drinking little isn't harming (like 1 pint a day). Smoking little is harming (atlough quite little). Also to consider is that smoking isn't for most people habit that is used like once per week/month. Most people get addicted. While drinking is also quite addictive, there is a diffference between these two. Also is that if you drink your mainly doing it to yourself. But if you smoke also people around are affecte by smoke. This is not taking account of things you do while drunk, which is different and varies from people to people.

[fancypiper]

My brother died at the age of 56 because of a damaged liver caused by alcohol.

I think I will leave it alone, myself.

I hate cig. smoke (ex smoker for 15 years now) but enjoy cigar and pipe smoke (but I will not use either). I know how addictive tobacco is from experience.

I use mj for pain relief, however, and when I am not in pain, I can actually get some enjoyment from it.

Why is everything I enjoy (except Linux and bagpipes) either illegal or immoral? :confused:

[Icarus]

I smoke and I don't drink (often, one every 3 months or so ;))

Smoking could kill you (Didn't kill George Burns, he died from a stoke at 100...not smoking related)

Drinking could kill you, but I've known more people to be killed from drinking then smoking. When was the last time you heard of a family being killed by a chain smoker? :D

Weed won't kill you either, most tests show that is is less harmful then cigeretts. But the effects are more noticable then drinking, so if it was ever legalized you'd probally see a lot of weed induced accedents/deaths.

It's all bad...it's all bad for you. Stop worrying about, we're all going to die anyway and any quest for immortality is a waste of time and effort. The only thing you can do is enjoy your time on this Earth anyway you feel fit. And let the others do it how they wish and don't try to make their life misserable because you don't agree with it.



"We're all immortal for a limited time" - Rush, Roll the Bones

[crokett]

Originally posted by thayne
the difference is, drinking in moderation 1-4 a day is good for you, where smoking any amount is 100% bad for you. Also your drinking doesn't get into my lungs....

Well said. Another huge difference is that when you abuse alchohol you get immediate feedback (you get drunk then wake up with a hangover). With smoking the damage takes much longer to become apparent. And there isn't second hand alchohol that I have to worry about when I go to a bar with friends but don't feel like drinking. Alchohol also doesn't give me yellow teeth and bad breath. Or at least my fiancee would still kiss me after I've had a drink or two but not after I had a cigarette. If I smoked that is. You really can't compare alchohol and cigarettes.

[TCaptain70]

Originally posted by crokett
Well said. Another huge difference is that when you abuse alchohol you get immediate feedback (you get drunk then wake up with a hangover).

And another one (I've recently had this argument with my mother-in-law who sometimes smokes like a chimney at my house...and she compared smoking to alcoholism too) is that drinking alcohol affects your metabolism. Your liver, your stomach, your system...but someone smoking affects ME (ie: She smokes, I get the smoke in MY lungs).

[Odins_Son]

ahh smoking isn't that bad. However people should not smoke around kids, but in a bar or in your own privacy, why not? I like to enjoy a smoke when I have a pint.

[crokett]

Ahh, but in a bar, second hand smoke bothers me. Would you be bothered if I came up to your table and started shouting obscenities at the top of my lungs? How about sitting at the next table having phone sex? I have the right to do either of those things, tot he point that they intrude on other peoples' right to an obscenity free dinner. Difference is that smoking is socially accepted. Phone sex in the middle of a bar is not.

[ferreter]

Originally posted by thayne
the difference is, drinking in moderation 1-4 a day is good for you, where smoking any amount is 100% bad for you. Also your drinking doesn't get into my lungs....

lol, how can drinking be done in mderation if your doing it 4 times a day! Drinking a glass of wine (preferably red) once a day is good for you. Now you drink that whole bottle (which is about 4 glasses) and it loses its medicinal value.

[Icarus]

Originally posted by crokett
Ahh, but in a bar, second hand smoke bothers me. Would you be bothered if I came up to your table and started shouting obscenities at the top of my lungs? How about sitting at the next table having phone sex? I have the right to do either of those things, tot he point that they intrude on other peoples' right to an obscenity free dinner. Difference is that smoking is socially accepted. Phone sex in the middle of a bar is not. Mean that is NOT acceptable in a bar? Man, I should let my friends know next time they start doing that....

[joesbox]

If you think the amounts that are wasted by society in drinking&smoking then they both should be outlawed (probably if they were found now, they would).

i don't think so. look at what happened when the U.S. tried to outlaw liquer. it was called "Prohibition". it didn't work. matter-of-factly it made things worse. gangs flurished and people still got what they wanted. i would predict the same to happen if they tried it with smokes. when your parents told you not to do something didn't you find a way around it?? i know i did. and i know that the people that are told that they are now allowed to smoke and drink will go nuts and we will have total anarchy. that is just my opinion though

[Huggy]

Ahh, but in a bar, second hand smoke bothers me

ok when I think of a BAR its Alc + Smoke + Sports + some times fun people

I do not think of a BAR and say "lets go to that clean, smoke free place with alot of Alc."

All things given this should be the bars choose.

Another huge difference is that when you abuse alchohol you get immediate feedback

So you'll stop when you start choughing up little parts of you lungs. because thats feedback.

Look if you would like to smoke then by all means, its your right, if your smoke bugs me then I'll say something or I'll MOVE just the same as If I'm drunk and I bug you then tell me and I'll move or You MOVE.

let people make there own bad path the only difference I see is if I'm drunk and I have car keys in my hand K.O. my A*S but I would never do that....

[The Ennead IX]

I remember a couple of years back when they brought in some laws over in France that all the restaurants and stuff must set aside an area for non-smokers. It didn't take long before a number of downstairs toilets appeared with a no-smoking sign ;)

Not 100% sure on the authenticity but I like the humour :D

Seriously though, as a smoker i've no problem with people who approach me in a decent civilised manner and in some circumstances, say in the prescence of children, in a non-smokers house, whatever, then I simply won't smoke out of consideration but if someone turns round and tries to force their will on me with Draconian laws etc then it'll kick off and they'll probably get the cig up their nose with a size 12 closely following behind :)

[crokett]

Originally posted by crokett
Ahh, but in a bar, second hand smoke bothers me. Would you be bothered if I came up to your table and started shouting obscenities at the top of my lungs?


Originally posted by mahdi
Mean that is NOT acceptable in a bar? Man, I should let my friends know next time they start doing that....

Well I doubt you'd appreciate it much if I came up to your table and did it since I don't know you. Besides which, I hope you'd hush your friends if one of them just started yelling a steady stream of obscenities. .

[ferreter]

Originally posted by crokett
Well I doubt you'd appreciate it much if I came up to your table and did it since I don't know you. Besides which, I hope you'd hush your friends if one of them just started yelling a steady stream of obscenities. .

What if my friend has Teretts syndrome? ;)

[crokett]

Originally posted by Huggy
I do not think of a BAR and say "lets go to that clean, smoke free place with alot of Alc."


don't smoke. Not sure while reading this post whether you knew that. I was just trying to point out the double standard by which a lot of behaviour is judged. Smoking is accepted, but other things aren't that also annoy me and interfere with my happiness aren't.


So you'll stop when you start choughing up little parts of you lungs. because thats feedback.



Huh? Again, I don't smoke. For that matter I don't drink that much anymore and haven't drunk to excess in several years - not since I realized a few summers ago I was using alchohol to escape from work every night. My point was simply that alchohol can't be compared to smoking. Alchohol gives immediate feedback. Smoking (once you get past the initial turning green from your first few cigarettes) takes a while before you notice anything wrong. There is some adjustment to alchohol too, but the feedback is still always immediate. Once you get used to cigarettes, you don't turn green anymore.