Are You Hardcore?

[quietguy47]

I was just reading an article from PC Magazine(online) about LinuxWorld Expo. Besides all the usuall talk about server's and app's and companies 'converting' it talked briefly about desktop user's. It called/described desktop user's as being "hardcore Linux user's". I never considered myself to be 'hardcore' so I got a chuckle out of the description. What do you think, are you a "hardcore Linux user"?

[williamwbishop]

Originally posted by quietguy47
I was just reading an article from PC Magazine(online) about LinuxWorld Expo. Besides all the usuall talk about server's and app's and companies 'converting' it talked briefly about desktop user's. It called/described desktop user's as being "hardcore Linux user's". I never considered myself to be 'hardcore' so I got a chuckle out of the description. What do you think, are you a "hardcore Linux user"?

No, not even a hardcore computer user(though it is my job) I tend to not talk about computers if I don't have to..except maybe suns and rs's...I tend to think that is the trademark of hardcore, the inability to do anything else, where I'd rather be doing just about anything else.

[Icarus]

Most of what I have read about LWE has been very depressing...most of the major vendors there are using Windows desktops and when asked about it they are totally ignorant about Linux and say "that's what I know":rolleyes:

At least IBM had someone that knew what he was doing there

[oblio]

Hardcore seems relative. Among my friends I'm the only one using linux. And probably better than 80% of the students in my Computer Science classes are still tied exclusively to windows. My professors are pushing UNIX on them after about a year and a half into the major and most of them groan about it and really only seem to learn what they need to know to get by. When I'm around them I feel pretty hardcore. On the other hand when I installed gentoo and it took me about 7 hours and many posts to the gentoo forums I finally got networking to work then I felt like a complete newb who was a fish out of water and was wimpering that I just wanted my windows. The saddest part being that I just got an "A" in my networking class next semester.

When I see people with 200 or 300+ posts here and on other linux sites I don't really feel hardcore at all.

[z911]

I've been a Unix user since '90. Linux since '97 and MS free since '95. and I still don't see myself as a hardcore user. I don't do any OS development but I use Unix/Linux computers on a daily basis be it at work or home for different tasks. for me hardcore would imply gurus deep into OS development or networking or server setup. but it is very possible to be a dedicated Linux user and not do any of these things.

I am definitely not hardcore and PC Magazine seems to be completely out of touch with the Linux Desktop user.

[glaston]

I'm a hardcore porn star!

[z911]

Originally posted by glaston
I'm a hardcore porn star! I specialize on doing up close penis and penetration shots!

but do you use Linux?

[dungscooperdave]

No. I am very far from hardcore. I don't think I could even install any other distro except for Mandrake or Redhat without spending hours getting step-by-step instructions from a forum or something. Although, I've never actually tried installing a distro other than Mandrake 8.1/9.0 so who knows.

[Penrich]

Linux hobbyist. Stuck on Windows at work.

[glaston]

but do you use Linux? Of course! I use a special distro . I'm now waiting for their new public beta to come out. Codenamed-'C'.
They're supposed to have a bunch of new games on this one. Games like', 'toss the salad'.
There's even talk of a distro targeted at older folks.
All licensed under the GPN (general public nuisance).

[z911]

this is getting out of hand... :o

[hecresper]

I'm not a hardcore Linux user, but I feel I must be a hardcore computer technician/user/administrator. I feel the need to have access to as many operating systems as I can get my hands on. From home to the office, I'm currently using/administering: Windows 98SE, Windows 2000 Pro/Server, Windows XP Pro, and Slackware 8.1. If seeking knowledge and being open minded is hardcore, then count me in. In the rapid changing world of technology, a person has to stay up to date with information. For people like me who work on computers for a living(and loving it), it is in our best interest not to discard old knowledge either. Because you never know what you might wind up finding on your next job.

P.S. Almost forgot, Novell Netware 4.11 and 5. :)

And PocketPC 2002 on an IPAQ 3850.

[Elijah]

no, I've not even properly configured my debian yet.

[glaston]

Forgot to mention that my current system came packaged with a blue tooth enabled that doubles as a fingerprint scanner.

[GeekGuy]

I won't consider myself hardcore until I can write a Perl script without the manual in one hand ;)

[ViMan]

I think glaston's comments are quite out of hand and should be reported to one of the administrators. Sure it's nice to talk about non-Linux related subjects at /dev/random and it's a nice place to relax, but this really isn't the place for using vulgar expressions and words. And I agree with z911 that this is getting out of hand...

[guitargeek]

To the outside world; yes. Just because of the fac that I'm windows-free makes me hardcore to them.

In reality, no; I just find linux to be a superior OS, and nothing more.

[glaston]

Alright, well, I am just so sorry for subjecting everyones virgin ears to such filth!
The subject was "are you hardcore". And my first reaction was to think of hardcore porn. Ooops, sorry, that was an accident.
So I 'lightheartedly' made some comments.
What's so bad about those comments?
Yeah, they aren't "G" rated, but not 'X' rated either!
And what's this about 'my final warning'? Final? Try first! When have I ever gotten any other warning? So, everyone just gets 1 warning? Or is it just me? Because some other comments of mine upset someone? Not to the point of confrontation, but enough to make someone dislike me in the shadows.
How trivial and juvenile!

I'm sure the way I speak my mind has upset someone else. Maybe in one of the religion threads? Or on some political subject?
Well, for that I'm not sorry. I always speak my mind! It's just the way I am. And if you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't read the threads.
I know what it is! It was the comments regarding homosexuals! Ahh, now we're getting somewhere. Surely, since there are liberal demonrats here, there's surely at least a moderate percentage of homosexuals amidst the board. Who knows, some of the mods may be gay. And in that case, they've got it out for me now. No matter though.
I wouldn't feel right if homosexuals didn't hate me!
Since all people want to see and read on the board, is soft, liberal influenced words that coincide with their personal opinion, I'll just refrain from posting in the /dev/random forum.
You liberal demonrat types have a hard enough time just living, you don't need an outspoken testosterone filled radical like me debunking all your opinions and arguments! Do ya?

I thought not, so toodels.

[mdwatts]

Originally posted by glaston
Alright, well, I am just so sorry for subjecting everyones virgin ears to such filth!
The subject was "are you hardcore". And my first reaction was to think of hardcore porn. Ooops, sorry, that was an accident.
So I 'lightheartedly' made some comments.
What's so bad about those comments?
Yeah, they aren't "G" rated, but not 'X' rated either!
And what's this about 'my final warning'? Final? Try first! When have I ever gotten any other warning? So, everyone just gets 1 warning? Or is it just me? Because some other comments of mine upset someone? Not to the point of confrontation, but enough to make someone dislike me in the shadows.
How trivial and juvenile!

I'm sure the way I speak my mind has upset someone else. Maybe in one of the religion threads? Or on some political subject?
Well, for that I'm not sorry. I always speak my mind! It's just the way I am. And if you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't read the threads.
I know what it is! It was the comments regarding homosexuals! Ahh, now we're getting somewhere. Surely, since there are liberal demonrats here, there's surely at least a moderate percentage of homosexuals amidst the board. Who knows, some of the mods may be gay. And in that case, they've got it out for me now. No matter though.
I wouldn't feel right if homosexuals didn't hate me!
Since all people want to see and read on the board, is soft, liberal influenced words that coincide with their personal opinion, I'll just refrain from posting in the /dev/random forum.
You liberal demonrat types have a hard enough time just living, you don't need an outspoken testosterone filled radical like me debunking all your opinions and arguments! Do ya?

I thought not, so toodels.

I didn't bother reading much of the above, but the point is... I received a complaint and as moderator I have to act upon it.

As I said in the PM, read the Internet.com AUP at the bottom of the page. If you do have any further concerns, please contact the Internet.com (Linuxnewbie) administrators.

What is the worry about one and final warning? As long as you adhere to the AUP, you really nothing to worry about. Have you?

[Major Luser]

Quote: think glaston's comments are quite out of hand and should be reported to one of the administrators.

I read the entire thread, and I found nothing wrong with glaston's comments (outside of them besides them being childish)..

So will the forum bend to the will of everyone that might be offended, or will this forum continue to be a place where ideas and new ways of thinking can be expressed??

Of course we will continue to have the glaston's of the world, but if we pay them no mind, they drift to the background as noise. By pointing the behavior out, all we do is reinforce their antisocial behavior..

PS. I hope my rebuttal doesn't offend..

[mdwatts]

Originally posted by Major Luser

I read the entire thread, and I found nothing wrong with glaston's comments (outside of them besides them being childish)..



I edited the content of all three of glaston's posts in that thread after I received the complaint.

And yes the further remarks will also be reported to my big bosses.

[Major Luser]

That would explain why they didn't seem that bad.. Forgive my ignorance, I thought what was posted was his original posts, again which I didn't find offensive..

Also answers the question why some of the replies made no sense..

BTW: I don't think of myself being hardcore, especially since I just removed my Win2K partition just a week ago at home. On the job, I have to work on quite a few OS'es (Linux, W2K, HPUX, DECUX, Win98).

I now prefer Linux, because
1) The Bill factor (less money in M$'es pockets)
2) My wife can't/won't use my computer (afraid of breaking something)
3) Being able to tweak the amount of disk/memory resouces the kernel takes on my system
4) Reliability.. My linux partition has been up since May without any major problems..
5) Perforamce.. My system smokes my wife's Win2K system, and its the SAME hardware!!

That should put us back on topic..

[Anomaly]

*scratches head*

So where were we?
Ahh yes...
Ofcourse in no way am I a hardcore user. If hardcore user is a person that has a deep knowledge of linux and knows everything about it, I am not the one.
I dont even know most of the commands. I just started recently...

But if you consider using linux all the time as harcore, yes I am.

[keating305]

Hardcore Linux user? No, I'm not all that smart; perhaps the question might better expressed as "Are you a hardcore Linux ADVOCATE?" That would cover more of the users on this board.
RE: glaston- Personally, I find his political comments more offensive than his Junior High School sexual comments, but if he ants to display his stupid opinions, it's fine with me.

[glaston]

I hope my rebuttal doesn't offend.. I'm sure it will. People seem kind of touchy here.


What is the worry about one and final warning? As long as you adhere to the AUP, you really nothing to worry about. Have you?

Usually people get more than 1 chance. If I were a mod I would give more than 1 chance. It's just fair that way. The way you're doing it in a 'zero tolerance' fashion.
But hey, you're the mod. You know best.:rolleyes:

And what fun is it if everyone is completely civil and adultlike about everything? That's so boring!
I revel in being childlike sometimes! I always hated the 'adult' attitude as a child. Now I refuse to adhere to it!
A bunch of people having serious conversations, or convo's with very little, drab humor is totally boring!
That's what the threads dedicated to Linux are for.
What fun is life if you can't mess around!?
And I just happen to have a very strange sense of humor. Everyone tells me this. That's how I like it though. If my sense of humor was like everyone elses, what sets it apart from the rest then? Nothing. I would be just another person with a standard sense of humor.
I'm not like that! I'm not a clone, or a sheep. I'm an individual. And I celebrate my individuality by amusing myself with my strange sense of humor. With everyday mundane things, that I introduce my humor too. Alot of people don't like it. Because the humor is often at the expense of others. I'm not gonna change it though! Life is so boring and unchallenging that I have to do something to amuse myself.

I'm happy for all of you, who choose to have an adult attitude about everything. And are perfectly satisfied with discussing Linux, and other mundane topics, in a drab adult fashion.
However I'm not like that. And I respect your warning, and will refrain from activities such as these that upset others.
I'm not gonna blend in with the background though. I can't. It's impossible for me. And I wouldn't want to even if I could!
Maybe the rules here need revision. Maybe a clause needs to be added that states that a neurotic, with a strange sense of humor will not be tolerated?
And expressing radical opinions, or opinions that go against a particular person or group will also not be tolerated.

Hell, why not make the board communist? There seem to be many here that would enjoy that. And then you could impose whatever restrictions on whoever you like.

RE: glaston- Personally, I find his political comments more offensive than his Junior High School sexual comments, but if he ants to display his stupid opinions, it's fine with me. And your opinion that my comments are stupid is more valid? Why?
Why would you find my political views so offensive? If they don't apply to you why do you care? Or do they apply to you?
I'm sure your opinions go against some of mine if not all. I don't find that offensive. They're your opinions. They don't really affect me in any way.
Oh well, whater's clever I guess.

[Whipping Boy]

I'm not hardcore, but I am hardcorps :)

[bs_texas]

Well, of course, I'm not what you might call hardcore (although that ideal is a good one to me), especially if you put me up besides the majority of the people here, however, when you put me up besides most of my family and many people I know, I am the most amzing hardcore windows and linux and computer magician they have ever seen.

regards....
;)

[timbobagginsii]

Originally posted by glaston

Usually people get more than 1 chance. If I were a mod I would give more than 1 chance. It's just fair that way. The way you're doing it in a 'zero tolerance' fashion.
Not wishing to correct someone of such staggering intellect but had you been given only one chance you'd be out of here already. Warning = second chance. Or maybe they count differently where you come from.

[SonOfAres]

I'm still in middle school. If I go "hardcore" anywhere but here, I'll lose all my friends, no one will talk to me, I won't even be in the "nerd" category because no one at my school has ever heard of linux. I almost lost it all when I told someone what binary was.... A few years ago, bfore I transferred schools, this was me. I learned from that, and I'm never going back. So, until collee (or, if I'm lucky, highschool) when there are other people to dsicuss comps with, I'm doing my best to pretend like I don't know that windows is an operating system, or what an operating system is.....

[hotleadpdx]

I suppose being hard core depends on your definition of hard core. I don't think of myself as being a hard core linux / unix user. If something happens on my system that I don't know how to deal with, I work at it until I figure it out. A lot of people think that's hard core because they would have given up and asked someone to fix it. If you ask the typical windows user what hard core is, they think anyone that knows how to get around in the control panel is a systems engineer. It's all a matter of perception.

[SonOfAres]

esactly.... a few years ago at school I think I, like, plugged in someone's computer, and now they think I'm a god.... I try not to let that get out.....

[quietguy47]

No worries Ares, we'll just say your "high speed, low drag".

[glaston]

had you been given only one chance you'd be out of here already
Duhh. The only warning I was given was in the form of, "this is your last chance". Nobody said anything beside one guy saying "this is getting out of hand" and the guy who said that wasn't a mod so I didn't count that as a warning. But maybe they count differently where you come from?
The warning wasn't my second chance. The warning was my first and last chance.
When someone says 'stop', that's the warning. When they have to ask again, they usually let you know that if they have to ask you again, you're gone. I was only confronted 1 time.
So I was given 1 notice and told if they had to give a 2nd notice, I would be gone. So the 2nd chance you're referring to would not be the last chance. It would be the time that I was banned. No more chances after the 1st warning. So in effect, I get 1 chance. If I break a rule a 2nd time, I'm gone.
Understand yet smart guy??

[timbobagginsii]

Originally posted by glaston
Duhh. The only warning I was given was in the form of, "this is your last chance". Nobody said anything beside one guy saying "this is getting out of hand" and the guy who said that wasn't a mod so I didn't count that as a warning. But maybe they count differently where you come from?
The warning wasn't my second chance. The warning was my first and last chance.
When someone says 'stop', that's the warning. When they have to ask again, they usually let you know that if they have to ask you again, you're gone. I was only confronted 1 time.
So I was given 1 notice and told if they had to give a 2nd notice, I would be gone. So the 2nd chance you're referring to would not be the last chance. It would be the time that I was banned. No more chances after the 1st warning. So in effect, I get 1 chance. If I break a rule a 2nd time, I'm gone.
Understand yet smart guy??

Well, pardon me.
Let's put this in words of one syllable (that long word means "sounds in a word") okay I'll use two word-sounds since I'm feeling charitable(whoops):

First chance - you were rude and dirty.
Warning.
Second chance - now.
You're rude and dirty again.
You get kicked out, having messed up your second chance.

Sorry to have upset you.

edit: was I too harsh?
edit2: it's nice to be recognised as a smart person, even by someone with such dubious intelligence

[DMR]

Originally posted by timbobagginsii
First chance - you were rude and dirty.
Warning.
Second chance - now.
You're rude and dirty again.
You get kicked out, having messed up your second chance.Yes, exactly.

glaston:

I won't debate you on a point-by-point basis; that would be a waste of my time.

Even though your original vulgarities had already been edited out by mdwatts, what remains of your posts still show such a confrontational (and yes, childish) attitude that he or any other moderator would be well within their rights to ban you.

We prefer to remain relatively troll-free here at LNO, however- there are plenty of boards which gladly welcome Trolls (http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html); I would suggest that you try one of those instead.

Considering the tenor of your posts in this thread, I would fully expect that your complaints of "mistreatment" will quite honestly fall on deaf ears.

Also keep in mind that no one is forcing you to stay here...

[retoon]

I am hardcore. Not because I use linux, and not because I think myself to be, but because to people that come into staples looking for products, and computer advice, the concept of anything other then windows would simply confuse them. Most questions are similar to my internet is down, how do I fix it? My computer is made by aol, why is it so slow? Where do I find ink for my computer? Where do I find the best computer available? I just want a computer so that I can email, how much does it cost, $2500? It is easy to be hardcore when the people you deal with don't really care.

[glaston]

First chance - you were rude and dirty.
Warning.
What I'm saying is that the way I knew the rules to be on other boards was that if you're 'rude and dirty' you get a warning. When it happens again, they say alright this is the 2nd time we've had to confront you. If it happens again you're gone.
So this site is different than others. You get 1 less chance. No biggie. I just wanted to express my opinion on having 1 less chance. That's all.

Something I've said has obviously upset you in some way. I have an idea of what that might be, but I'll just leave it at that. Because if I do find out what one of my comments has enraged you, I might have to hate you. And although at this point, I have to admit I'm somewhat annoyed by you. But I don't hate you.

Considering the tenor of your posts in this thread, I would fully expect that your complaints of "mistreatment" will quite honestly fall on deaf ears. I don't feel as if I was mistreated at all. I don't like the 2 chance rule, but that's life.
It's weird how someone on the internet, that has no physical presence around you in any way, can get someone so upset.
Is it that hard to not take everything so seriously? Why?

It's just type on a page! I understand the rules now, and I'm not debating them. I just don't understand why people get so bent out of shape over words on a screen!? If it's such a waste of time why bother reading them and replying
Take some responsibilty for letting yourself become so upset by words on a screen, typed by someone you don't know and who has no effect on your life in the least!

Like mr. smartguy up above. Why are you expending such energy into something that you claim is such a waste of time? And after choosing to waste time, you have the nads to blame me for wasting your time.
I'm glad this makes sense to someone. Cause it doesn't make sense to me.

I sit here and take ol timbob's (you a hillbilly?) little remarks about intelligence with a grain of salt. Aside from me knowing otherwise, and knowing he's just saying it to bother me, I also just don't care about remarks toward me. Let alone remarks aimed at no particular person.

I also just enjoy these debates about absolutely nothing.


what remains of your posts still show such a confrontational (and yes, childish) attitude that he or any other moderator would be well within their rights to ban you. What can I say? I strive!! It IS nice to be appreciated though. Usually my efforts go unnoticed.


Til the next episode........................................... ........................

[pcghost]

Glaston, dude. Don't argue with the mods man. This place is cool, but it is not a democracy. Think of how many linux questions you might not be able to solve someday after they ban you. If md thinks it should be toned down a bit, then tone it down. Otherwise they will treat you like they did Frith. (not that Frith didn't deserve banning)...:D

[glaston]

Pcghost, I'm not arguing with the mods. I understand that rules are rules, and they're not gonna change just for me.

My last post was mainly to kill this thread. When you call people on their inability to ignore someone, they promptly ignore them. Last thing that a person who sees themself as an intellectual adult wants is to be looked at as the one who can't let things go.

Fact is that everyone displays childish behavior at times. If you know how to push that persons buttons, you can easily draw out that childish behavior. Or illicit a person to engage in a particular behavior whether it's childish or not, with a mere suggestion.

Earthlings? Go figure.....

[quietguy47]

Seems the only hardcore people I found were arguere's. LOL

[quietguy47]

I know, I can't spell....LOL:D