Is There A FlashGet or GetRight For Linux?

[uman]

Hi,

I am looking to use Linux to surf the net with rather than windows.

My question: Is there an equivelent solution for a download manager such as the ones above that I use with WinXP at the moment? This is my main stumbling block before going the Linux way. I need to que my downloads and have them resume when my ISP cuts me off after 2 hours.

If there is such a download manager for Linux, then I will build a cheap Linux box for the internet.

While on the subject of the internet, my last question is there a firewall like ZoneAlarm available for Linux. Do I actually need a firewall when surfing with Linux?

The reason I am asking these questions is that I have had bad experiences when surfing under windows and would like to find an alternative in Linux.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks :)

[hlrguy]

Redhat installs with a firewall. You simply select none,low,medium or high. I use downloader for X for restartable downloaders. MANY other exist. There are MANY MANY free firewalls. Before using Redhat 8.0, with it built in high, I used firestarter.

Used it to download flightgear (~40 meg) over 56K dialup over a three day period. An hour or two here, etc.

hlrguy

http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/

[Icarus]

do a search at www.freshmeat.net and www.sourceforge.net you will get quite a few hits on wget, there are lots of GUI frontends available...

[uman]

Thanks for your reply :)

I have downloaded Downloader for X, and I am downloading Red Hat 8.0 now. It will take forever... but I am sure it will be worth the effort.

I must say that I never expected to see such enthusiasm for Linux untill I visited this forum. I cant wait to get started now, and will be back here to read more newbie help tips.

Great stuff!!

:)

[Bizza]

If you can't get to grips with ipchains or iptables (the standard linux firewalling software). You can use an X GUI to help you. there are several out there, check out the networking apps at www.linux.org.

I currently use guarddog on my home system and have found it to be good.


Cheers

[mrBen]

Download for X is fantastic, IMHO. Although (assuming the latest version works the same as my current version) it might be helpful to know that you type nt to start it (because it used to be called NetThief).

[Pierre Lambion]

wget is a great downloader. And you can queue things, resume, ...

Pretty standard and omnipresent too.
P.

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by uman
Thanks for your reply :)

I have downloaded Downloader for X, and I am downloading Red Hat 8.0 now. It will take forever... but I am sure it will be worth the effort.


Since you say your ISP cuts you off, you mean the spontaneous dialup hangups? Are you trying to download over normal 56K dialup. (53 real). Hmmm, if so, 3 disks @ ~650 Meg = 108 hours at full possible bandwidth. For the 4 1/2 days effort, I would spend the $39.95 at CompUSA. You get the documentation CD, 30 days install support, and install manual.

hlrguy

[jetblackz]

http://aria.rednoah.com/linux_e.shtml

Beats everything you've seen on Windows. It's free. I use it all the time. So does my friend.

Mozilla has built-in downloader. Prior to that, Mozilla download pop-up lets you resume/pause it.

If you must buy CDs, there are alternatives to shrink-wrapped versions.

www.cheapbytes.com is my fave.

[uman]

Very many thanks for all your advice and help.... I really didnt expect so much :)

Yes I am downloading via a dial-up 56k and I have CD3 (the last one) to get. I guess another 48hours should do it....phew! Its been on 24hours continuously every day, and the modem must be red hat, sorry, red hot by now. :)

Just been to CheapBytes and it opened my eyes as to the cheap prices of the distros they are charging. Look at this:

CheapBytes Pink Tie Linux Full Set Vers. 8.0 $10.99

I guess that is red hat really, eh? ;)

I am getting in the Linux mode now and have added a signature to thumb my nose at Bill. :)

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by jetblackz
www.cheapbytes.com[/url] is my fave.

Unfortunately, I am the type of person who, when they decide they are going to do something, I want to start RIGHT NOW! I never have the patience to wait. Plus, I wanted to donate the $40 to the cause. $40 every 3 1/2 years...:)

hlrguy

[Elijah]

for both security hardening and firewall ---> bastille

[uman]

Feedback on my question of redialing my ISP when disconnected...

Linux cannot satisfy my need to redial when disconnected from my Internet Service Provider. Although resuming of downloads is supported, it is not enough for me as my ISP cuts me off after 2hours internet use and I need to redial to connect again. The windows program FlashGet redials my ISP, connects me, and resumes downloads from where they left off.

Feedback on firewalls in Linux....

Linux firewall is not as good as Zone Alarm Pro. I have setup ZAP to NOT RESPOND to any pings or foreign packets on all INports and all OUTports. This means that I cannot be seen, and if I cannot be seen then I cannot be hacked again. Linux firewall simply blocks the ports, but the pinger knows it is blocked and knows the computer is online. Pretty primative eh? Better if it simply did not reply at all dont you think?

I am in a mind to give up on the idea of using Linux for surfing, and build the most secure windows box I can. After all it is so easy to do and "it just works" without all the days and days of head scratching and frustration trying to get Linux configured.

Also some feedback on modems....
I use a winmodem for XP and a hardware external modem for Linux. The winmodem is faster. There is no more to say is there?

I wish it wasnt so, but windows just works. Thanks to everyone that helped me, and if you have anymore input on any of the above subjects, I would love to hear from you.

:)

[ViMan]

uman, don't give up so quickly. There a solution for all your problems if you look enough. For example, if you know your modem is going to hang up after exactly 2 hours, you can just use wvdial to dial-up your ISP every two hours (this would be a trivial script). Also, there are ways to make your firewall under linux not respond to pings (I remember reading that you can do this with iptables). Finally, I am currently using a very cheap ($10) winmodem on my box and I've been able to get it working under both Windows and Linux. Sure, Windows might be the easy way out, but you'll never become a power user or become fully in control of everything in your OS if you use Windows. Use Windows if you want the easy way out, use Linux if you want power.

[Beaudificus]

uman:

What is the name of your winmodem? You might be able to get Linux drivers for it and therefore you *might* be able to use it instead of the external.

[sharth]

Originally posted by Pierre Lambion
wget is a great downloader. And you can queue things, resume, ...

Pretty standard and omnipresent too.
P. I like wget because you can background it and logout :)

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by uman
Feedback on my question of redialing my ISP when disconnected...

Linux cannot satisfy my need to redial when disconnected from my Internet Service Provider. Although resuming of downloads is supported,

Linux firewall is not as good as Zone Alarm Pro.

Hello,

My suggestions were general to the general questions that you asked. Since I now know your
requirements a little better, what you want to accomplish is very easy.

1) kppp has an option 'reconnect on disconnect'. This is different that manually stopping it.
2) Downloader for x has fully configurable retries and will resume a download automatically if you disconnect/reconnect.
3) There is a tool called countdown timer, where you can set up to disconnect, if you desire, at any time you want. Say 4am, after the download will have completed.
4) Firewalls, you asked a generic question. I did not stay with the included firewall, I use Firestarter (free) to make myself invisible to the network. I can't be detected, so like you, I am less prone to attack.

In the future, make sure you ask exactly what you want. :)

Notes: 1) I am surprised that the external is slower. I have both a winmodem and external. ~33k was the best on internal, connected now at 49,333 with external USR.
2) Mozilla has a built in pop up blocker.
3) There are 234 (I don't know exactly, but there are a LOT :) ) different free firewalls for you to use, some links from others recommending below.
I like firestarted cause it is so easy to use, allows for watching and logging hits, etc.
4) Downloader for X has an option for setting the download speed so you can surf at the same time as downloading.
5) Your ISP must not be very good. I remain stably connected to mine >98% of all connection sessions. i.e. in the last year, it has spontaneously disconnected maybe 4 times.

hlrguy

http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/
http://www.smoothwall.org
Heck, just go here....
http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/

[sarah31]

fwiw someone being able to deect you is a whole lot different than actually getting into your system.

i can be pinged but at the same time i am invisible to probes. i also do not worry a great deal anyway as i am in user when browsing and to do any serious damage to my system a cracker would actually have to seize my root. which is not very likely. whereas on almost any windows box one a cracker is in you are likely f**ked. actually you say you have had bad experiences on the inet with windows and it's "superior" firewalls so i find that part of your arguement moot.

for me i have no issue with MS but i have personally never liked Windows. I was (and still am in spirit) a mac user and now i use linux. for me i use linux because it just works and i can do waaaaay more with alot less effort/cash.

[uman]

Yes, to be honest I would rather surf with Linux. You say that you can maybe find Linux drivers for my modem? Well that would be a step in the right direction for me.

So here are the details of my Internal PCI modem:
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On the box

DGTel CE 0197 X CTR-21
Voice-Data-Fax Internal PCI
V.90 K56flex modem
------------------------
Writing on chip

Conexant
RH56D / SP-PCI
R6795-11
B92087.3
9945 Mexico
--------------
Writing on back of card

LCS 8060-R2
88742573

CE 0197 X CTR-21

P/N: 8811003

FCC Compliance Part 15 and Part 68
-------------------------------

You guys dont give up on Linux newbies do you? I take my hat off to you for your enthusiasm and perseverance.

:)

[hlrguy]

Originally posted by uman
You guys dont give up on Linux newbies do you? I take my hat off to you for your enthusiasm and perseverance.

We all just want to help, however, whether you want to remain Windows or stay Linux really the point. The point is the choice. Like most, I learn as much as everyone else reading these posts. For example, 11 more people now know about the auto reconnect in kppp. :)

hlrguy

[hlrguy]

http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/

It might already be in the kernel. If you
cat /proc/pci, do you find the device listed?

You can post the results of your 'cat' back here and we can take a look.

hlrguy

[Beaudificus]

It looks like that the modem is a Conexant... However, what needs to be determined is whether or not its a HCF or HSF. Once you know that, you can download the appropriate drivers.

[uman]

Hi, :)

WindowsXP loaded the driver named HCF_MSFT.sys into my system32 folder all by itself when I installed WindowsXP.

This modem is obviously a generic HCF P85 internal PCI one, so I hope a Linux driver can be found for it. :)


I should say that my ISP only gives 2 hours "on" time before cutting me off. That is their policy and it doesnt change. I dont have any longer and have to redial if I want to remain on line. It is their method of saving bandwidth by cutting me off after 2 hours weather I use it or not. It is a bit of a pain in the nether regions, but I am not financialy able to change and they are the cheapest ISP here where I live. So I have to stick with it..I have no choice.

You can see my need for an app that can redial and connect automatically. I will have a look at KPPP.

:)

:)

[Beaudificus]

Howdy uman:

Since its generic, you can download the drivers from here. Follow the instructions to install and you should, hopefully, be in business:

http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/hcf/index.html

Re: ISP

It seems like their method of conserving bandwidth is to limit people to 2 hours a session. If it's as cheap as you say, I can see why they do this.

If you search with Google regarding KPPP + automatic redial (or search criteria similar) you'll hopefully get your answer.

[ViMan]

Actually, you should download the "List Modem Application" under Windows (you do have Windows installed, don't you?) and run it so that you know all the information you need to know about your modem. You can download the "List Modem Application" from http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/files/listmodem_app.zip Write down the output of the program (it's output is given in a DOS windows which you run from inside Windows - you don't have to be in DOS mode). You should then use this information when prompted about information related to your modem what you come to configure/install it under Linux.

[uman]

Here is the output from cat /proc/pci for you. I know my modem is IRQ10.

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linux:~ # cat /proc/pci
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Class 0600: PCI device 8086:7190 (rev 3).
Master Capable. Latency=64.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd0000000 [0xdfffffff].
Bus 0, device 1, function 0:
Class 0604: PCI device 8086:7191 (rev 3).
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=136.
Bus 0, device 7, function 0:
Class 0601: PCI device 8086:7110 (rev 2).
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
Class 0101: PCI device 8086:7111 (rev 1).
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xf000 [0xf00f].
Bus 0, device 7, function 2:
Class 0c03: PCI device 8086:7112 (rev 1).
IRQ 11.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xa000 [0xa01f].
Bus 0, device 7, function 3:
Class 0680: PCI device 8086:7113 (rev 2).
IRQ 9.
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
Class 0180: PCI device 105a:4d38 (rev 1).
IRQ 5.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xa400 [0xa407].
I/O at 0xa800 [0xa803].
I/O at 0xac00 [0xac07].
I/O at 0xb000 [0xb003].
I/O at 0xb400 [0xb43f].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb000000 [0xeb01ffff].
Bus 0, device 16, function 0:
Class 0780: PCI device 14f1:1035 (rev 8).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb020000 [0xeb02ffff].
I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807].
Bus 0, device 19, function 0:
Class 0401: PCI device 1102:0002 (rev 7).
IRQ 11.
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=20.
I/O at 0xbc00 [0xbc1f].
Bus 0, device 19, function 1:
Class 0980: PCI device 1102:7002 (rev 7).
Master Capable. Latency=64.
I/O at 0xc000 [0xc007].
Bus 1, device 0, function 0:
Class 0300: PCI device 102b:0525 (rev 3).
Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=16.Max Lat=32.
Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8000000 [0xe9ffffff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4000000 [0xe4003fff].
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe5000000 [0xe57fffff].
linux:~ #
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It shows my modem:
Bus 0, device 16, function 0:
Class 0780: PCI device 14f1:1035 (rev 8).
IRQ 10.
Master Capable. Latency=64.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xeb020000 [0xeb02ffff].
I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807].
-----------------------------------------

What does this tell me? What do I do with this info?

Does it mean that my modem is seen by the system but has no drivers for it? Non-prefetchable?

I have downloaded HCF drivers and "List Modem Application" under Windows.
:)

[hlrguy]

Well, the way it looks, it is detected, but unknown, so you MIGHT still need the driver for it. From the
NHF here, the PCI scan looks like this....

Serial controller: Unknown vendor Unknown device (rev 1).
Vendor id=12b9. Device id=1008.
Medium devsel. IRQ 5.
I/O at 0xfcc0 [0xfcc1].
Bus 1, device 0, function 0:

You could, however, try

setserial /dev/ttyS2 uart 16550A port 0xb800 irq 10

in a console, then fire up kppp and select /dev/ttyS2 as your modem and it might work.

hlrguy

http://linuxnewbie.org/nhf/Modems/Configuring_Your_ISA_External_or_PCI_Modem.html

[uman]

A friend sent me SuSE Linux 8.1 on DVD (he didnt need it as he has the CDs), and I have got on better with it than Red Hat Linux. The graphical interface, YAST2, has made it all very easy to use and configure. I dont know why the other distros dont follow their lead.

I pulled the internal modem from its PCI slot and bought a better, but used external modem. YAST2 configured it for me at installation along with my Matrox graphics card. I could dial my ISP straight after installation, but I still need to figure out how to alter the wvdial script to enable "redial after disconnect", but with a little help from the kind people here, I am sure that wont be a problem for very long!
YaST2 installs/uninstalls apps for me, configures everything and generally does all the command line stuff that slows me down and that looses my confidence with Linux. The command line is still there for the power user, (I am not there yet!), and I have done a few things that way to see what happened!

I am going to stick with SuSE Linux as I feel really at home with it, and can't say enough for the YaST2 interface as I makes all that difficult-to-understand-for-the-newbie stuff a thing of the past. I can get on with doing things with Linux now.

SuSE Linux has converted me to using Linux OS more and more. It is like a drug and I keep booting into it to see what I can do and what I can fiddle with. I have learnt a lot since I last wrote here and I thank everyone that has posted to help me.... You have been great! :)

[Beaudificus]

Originally posted by uman
A friend sent me SuSE Linux 8.1 on DVD (he didnt need it as he has the CDs), and I have got on better with it than Red Hat Linux. The graphical interface, YAST2, has made it all very easy to use and configure. I dont know why the other distros dont follow their lead.

SuSE isn't the only distro to have this. Mandrake 9 has its own interfaces like YaST as well; ones for menus (MenuDrake), ones for partitioning (DiskDrake), ones for users (UserDrake), etc., etc.

I haven't tried SuSE 8.1, but have been hearing great things about it! If you can, perhaps you can post some screenshots out on the web for us. I'd personally really like to see them!

[sharth]

Debian has vim!!! :)