MSN Equivalent

[fullscale]

Is there anyway to run MSN inside of Mandrake Linux 9.0? I am downloading as we speak so I can get rid of this POS that is known as Windows 98. But, I use MSN to keep in contact with my clients, is there anyway at all I can run it under linux kernal?

[warren612001]

Sure enough open the menu by clicking on the K(start) on your KDE desk top then go to networking/instant messaging/everybuddy
when you fill out your account add an MSN account. you can have yahoo - aim - msn - icq and some others :D

[fullscale]

You have made my desicion to stick with linux and ditch the Microsoft based Monopoly.

There is one more program which I need something for. I use Frontpage 2000 for web design because of course my server has frontpage extensions. Is it possible now to use fronpage or a clone. If not I can always of course just ftp it, but it would sure help a lot.

I have already got my system backedup on cd and pretty much stripped... I am starting linux with a reformat.

Also is there a page or place I can look at that has information on all the install programs that come in the 3 cd mandrake 9.0 download? I don't want to install things that will be of no use to my needs.

[warren612001]

Make google.com a friend it has a lot of help. I don't know much on web building but you might find /networking/www/bluefish or screem usefull. They are both web editors. Mandrake 9.0 in my book is the best distro for a newbie because of all the tools and docs. Almost any thing you can do with windows you can do with Linux.

[DeadCell]

warren I am having the same problem as fullscale , but the real problem is that when I go Networking/Instant Messenging i don`t see everybuddy .. What i see is after i select Instant messenging is Gabber, Gaim, GnomelCU, Kit (AIM Client), Licq, Licq(KDE) ...Do i have to download it or add it or something...

[DeadCell]

I would like to use an msn client on my linux mandrake 9.0 box also.. thx

[smkatz]

http://www.everybuddy.com/en/index.php

You may download everybuddy from here and use KDE to install it. Just use Utilities-->Karchiver to untar and ungzip it, then go into the directory (cd) and run it.

In future posts, you should tell me whether you want to learn the command line. It is easier at the command line.

type tar -zxvf filename

z-un(g)zips--. you only need this if it ends in .gz
x-extracts from .tar archive
v-shows you what its doing (optional)

f- always neccessary. "this is the filename to work with".

You may also try:
http://kopete.sourceforge.net
http://gaim.sourceforge.net

There are many others.

Sam

[bykedog]

I have been using amsn with great success: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/
just read the instructions on the left after downloading, and you're set. You'll have to create the link in the start menu using menudrake.

[ssjf]

Amsn is excellent - it even supports file transfers. However, if you need multi-client support try gaim (despite the name, it does just about everything).

[DeadCell]

Thanks Alot, It seems to me that for a newbie forum they are alot of pros in here.. Info from all corners..

Peace

[Saptech]

Also check out Gaim, it will connect with MSN, Yahoo, AIM and others.

[mrBen]

I've been using GAIM for a few months now, for ICQ, AIM and MSN, with no problems - very stable and simple to use.

[Ludootje]

For msn:
The best one is kmerlin IMHO (kmerlin.olsd.de)
those are good too, though:
http://kopete.sf.net
http://amsn.sf.net (very good, but very ugly too)
http://gaim.sf.net

As for frontpage:
if you need WYSIWYG, use mozilla composer (mozilla.org, will probably be installed by default).
otherwise, use Quanta+, it's very, very good (http://quanta.sf.net)

As for program information, mandrake gives a description of all the applications. You always uninstall them afterwards, though.

I'd recommend you to NOT remove windows, and dual boot if that's possible. dual boot is that you use both windows & linux on 1 computer.

[Ludootje]

Originally posted by mrBen
I've been using GAIM for a few months now, for ICQ, AIM and MSN, with no problems - very stable and simple to use.
But IIRC, it has less features than other clients (for MSN at least). I don't exactly remember what features it was missing though (I could confuse it with gabber though, which certainly missed a lot of things). For all the protocols in one app, it's true that gaim is great.

[f76]

I read this posting and thought i would try amsn
but i couldnt manage to install it
i opened the tarball and did make install
but i cant figure out what this error message means...
should i create a ctthemes.tcl?

Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/usr/bin/ctthemes.tcl": no such file or directory
while executing
"source [file join $program_dir ctthemes.tcl]"
(file "/usr//bin/amsn" line 125)

[Ludootje]

You shouldn't create it, it's probably part of a package you should install.
You say you opened the tarball and ran make install, you did execute './configure' & 'make' before 'make install', right?

[bykedog]

Ludootje is right - you need to install a tcl and/or tk development packages. Sorry don't know which ones - I just installed most of the development packages when I installed mandrake.

f76 - I didn't ./configure && make make install - you can run it from the untarred directory, just type: ./amsn
This works fine if you are the only user on the box.

EDIT:
mandrake rpm's installed to get it to work:

tcl-8.3.3-21mdk
tk-8.3.3-21mdk

[Ludootje]

Originally posted by bykedog
mandrake rpm's installed to get it to work:

tcl-8.3.3
tk-8.3.3
I very much doubt that will be enough. You will also need the -dev packages for those two.

[bykedog]

Ludootje,

How can I tell if the dev packages are installed also? I've never had a problem running amsn, but I know barely enough linux to scrape by. For starters I checked the rpm package tool in mandrake, and searched for tk and tcl, didn't see anything that ended with -dev.

the packages I installed said tk-8.3.3-21mdk and tcl-8.3.3-21mdk. if that makes any difference. (I'll changed my last post to show this - I was just being lazy.)

Also - the amsn tarball I downloaded didn't have a script called configure. But I can't run it without typing in the full path. Hope I'm not giving other people wrong advice...

thanks in advance.

[Ludootje]

I suppose you've downloaded a binary instead of the sources. There should be an INSTALL or README file in the dir where you run ./amsn normally.
You can download an RPM for amsn if you like, you can get it from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/amsn/amsn-0.71-1.noarch.rpm?download

You don't need the -dev packages to run a binary, only to compile. A -dev package includes headers, which are needed during the compilation. Therefore, with a binary or an RPM you don't need a -dev package, only when you want to compile yourself.

To see if you have an RPM installed... hmm I don't really remember that, it's been a while since I last used an RPM-based distro.
*just looked it up*
Ok, according to the holy linux bible (Running Linux by Matt Welsh, et al., published by O'Reilly (oreilly.com), a great book which explains tons of stuff and which *every* linux-user should have), you need to do rpm -q <packagename> to see if it's installed.
Example:
rpm -q amsn
To see a list of all installed packages:
rpm -qa

Hope that helps :)

[bykedog]

Originally posted by Ludootje
I suppose you've downloaded a binary instead of the sources. There should be an INSTALL or README file in the dir where you run ./amsn normally.


Ok, according to the holy linux bible (Running Linux by Matt Welsh, et al., published by O'Reilly (oreilly.com), a great book which explains tons of stuff and which *every* linux-user should have), you need to do rpm -q <packagename> to see if it's installed.


Hope that helps :)

Thanks, that does help a lot.

Hmmm.... binaries instead of sources.... that'll teach me to be more observant :)

I did read the FAQ, and they just say to create a symbolic link from wherever-you-installed/amsn to /usr/bin. Since I'm the only user, it's no big deal... works fine as is.

And I'll be picking up a copy of the Book too-- seen it mentioned before here.

Again thanks for your help; did I mention this forum rocks? :D

[asianmerc]

i like amsn best. i really despise aim, so any proggie that is similar to aim, [even if it supports mulitiple msging platforms] i will not use. :P

Amsn owns you!!

[Ludootje]

What I personally don't like about amsn, is it's uglyness. If only it was written using the Qt or GTK+/Gtkmm toolkit instead of the butt-ugly tk one :rolleyes:

[damusic2me]

f76: amsn 0.71 i have the same problem, but basically it's asking to just copy paste the file in to the folder.
but if you do so, it asks for the next tcl file etc. so your best bet is to just copy all the files... worked for me.
b.t.w. even if you don't you can get it to work by going in to your msn directory and type ./amsn
you have to leave your console open, but it works.
if you're using gnome, you can just double click amsn and execute it.. same thing

[Ludootje]

To correctly install amsn, you should have a look at the INSTALL and the README file which is (normally) in the directory created by the tarball.

[smkatz]

"make" makes a new program specific to your operating system.

ie. say you are running sun OS, it will "make" a version of a linux-compiled program run on Sun OS.

But, you do not need to "make" amsn if you have a linux system according to the website.

Give its website a look. "Installation Instructions"

Remember to make a hard link to /.amsn. (it may be a symbolic link.. could somebody point out the difference?)

People always say installing software on linux is hard.. actually, its been the easiest part for me. (apart from daemons, and apache..and the struggles of tar.. I guess you would call that sarcasm with a smile.)
Sam