Overclocking a P4 1.8Ghz

[b_usa]

Im thinking about overclocking my P4 1.8Ghz CPU, but have no experience with O/C'ing... If anyone can point me to an article, or tell me how they did it, I would greatly appreciate it.

[janet loves bill]

http://www.tomshardware.com/

lot's of good info here!!

[Can O' Beans]

Tom's hardware has been proven to fake reviews, etc.. so if you go there, only trust the other people on the forums ,etc..

I strongly suggest www.overclockers.com & their forums :) Please read the guides on the main site & use the Search function & read the stickies on the forums ;) :D

[b_usa]

Well, its a moot point, I fear. I bought my first "decent" computer last may, A DELL Dimension 8200. Before that I was running a Pentium 200, an older system. I didnt know what I know now about technology, and just trusted DELL. But since May Ive learned that an OEM doesnt always give you what you expect. I got a good deal on the system at the time, but have since found out that:
a. DELL uses non-standard power connectors (have to replace power supply and mobo at the same time)
b.Their OEM boards are not overclockable. (so, surprise! Want a faster computer? 1-800-CALL-DELL)

I have to say, knowing what I know now, I dont think I would have bought an OEM computer. It reminds me of Windows, it's like they think if they keep the guts out of view it wont frighten you. You cant really mess with anything.(Although I can see from their Tech support bootom line point of view why they dont want people to"mess with stuff".

Well, I think Im going to have to wait to OC until I get a new moboand power supply. I hope thats soon, because this ancient P4 1.8Ghz is crampimg my style...:p

[Bokkenka]

> ...this ancient P4 1.8Ghz is crampimg my style....

It will still beat a brand-new-shiney 2.0GHz Celeron. I read an article where they overclocked the one to 3.0GHz, and it still barely kept up with a 1.8GHz P4. I guess Intel halved the already halved cache. It's like a pick-up truck that can do a hundred-mph versus a ten-yard dump truck that can do fifty... Which one delivers more?

[deimos]

I feel a cpu war brewing :)

Other than that..about Dell and all OEM's. I manage a 100 node all Dell network, and OEM is the way to go in this situation. The last thing I want is users overclocking the machines we issue out. The machines aren't much for customization, but that is necessary for an OEM.

I don't recommend buying a new mobo and psu for your Dell. It's likely that either or neither one will fit. If you want to do this, I'd suggest you go ahead and buy a new case as well. You might get lucky, and the new board will fit your Dell case, but at least in my experience, it's faster, easier, and in the end, cheaper, to replace the case as well.

And if you go that far, and wanna overclock, might I suggest a real cpu? An Athlon XP, or a Duron for value. Either one will run very well at 166 fsb and blow away the respective Intel, for half the cost.

[guitargeek]

What is "OEM"?

[retoon]

The big problem with overclocking intel chips is that they round up when giving you there clock speeds. My P3 1.3 ghz actually processes at 1.26 ghz, where as my AMD Athlon 1.1 ghz(not xp) processes at 1.17 ghz. Also, with the AMD chips, here really isn't a need to overclock because in a sense, there FSB is allready overclocked so the processor doesn't get too stressed out.
In my eyes, intel is like the microsoft of the processor world. Pay more for less.:eek:

[Penrich]

Originally posted by guitargeek
What is "OEM"?
Original Equipment Manufacturer I think

[retoon]

When you buy a processor from a store, in a box, thats retail. When you buy a Dell, or IBM pc with that same processor, they don't buy them retail, with boxes. They buy them by the pallete. Nothing but bare neccessities no waranty through the cpu manufacturer, just the item. When we buy OEM, we are basically paying for unwarrantied manufacturer surplus. it works just the same as the retail, just no fancy stickers. The same applies for other hard ware, and in some instances, software aswell. Hope that answered the question.

[Can O' Beans]

B_usa,

Since you can't really do much with that Dell, mobo wise, and have to wait until you get a new setup, I'd suggest just reading up on it at places like I linked earlier, etc... This way you'll know more of what you're doing and reduce your risk of problems.

Learn how to apply thermal paste(very thin, just need to fill tiny airpockets), and which brands are the good brands (Arctic Silver). Get a good idea of the better heatsinks, fans, motherboards (personal opinion based decision). Read up on the OC important bios settings.

I also wouldn't suggest watercooling just yet ;)

Warning: It can become a slightly expensive addiction :)

[b_usa]

Thanks for alll the info fellas... I didnt really realize or think about what getting an OEM machine might entail... It was my first "real" computer. It's not a bad thing, I got a good deal, and have learned quite a bit in the process. I've been sort of hanging about at some of the OC/gaming forums, and watching how those guys push their machines. Im not necessarily only interested in the performance increase, it also seems like a good way to learn about computer hardware...

[deimos]

My recommended hardware for overclocking:

Mobo: Epox
Cpu: Anything AMD (Thoroughbreds are nice though)
Ram: Corsair
Fans: Sunon
Heatsink: Swiftech or Thermalrite
Grease: Arctic Silver 3 or the CoolerMaster stuff
Thermaltake GF4 cooling kit if you have a GF4
Rounded drive cables to minimize airflow restriction.
And a beefy, name-brand power supply.

[psyte]

Here's a pretty good introductory article:

http://www.motherboards.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5096

[Shawn Curry]

Originally posted by retoon
The big problem with overclocking intel chips is that they round up when giving you there clock speeds. My P3 1.3 ghz actually processes at 1.26 ghz, where as my AMD Athlon 1.1 ghz(not xp) processes at 1.17 ghz. Also, with the AMD chips, here really isn't a need to overclock because in a sense, there FSB is allready overclocked so the processor doesn't get too stressed out.
In my eyes, intel is like the microsoft of the processor world. Pay more for less.:eek:

the new P4's are 533Mhz FSB, even the old ones are 400. AMD is not the place to go if you're talking about FSB.

the REAL reason people overclock AMD's is cuz there crap.:D

[retoon]

Hello Mr Shawn Curry. Could you do me a favor, and explain to me in what way the pentium 4 is a better processor than the AMD Athlon XP? Also, have you heard of the Athlon 64, which will be featuring an integrated MCC into the die? I find it funny that any one would side with intel, not to say they are a bad chip, but the AMDs are just as good or better and are litterally half the price! By the way, the real reason people overclock AMDs is because atleast they can handle a little more of a pounding then the Intel chips. About the front side bus, thats nice, 400, or 533, but there will be no more front side bus when the claw hammer, or Athlon 64 comes out! (True 64 bit and backwards compatible with 32 bit, and integrated full processor speed MCC(memory controller chip)). Not that Im one to argue though!

[deimos]

Shawn Curry <--- Intellipuppet.

:)

[steve301]

Do you know your what motherboard you run most abit and asus boards give the options to lockdown the pci bus and run the frontsidebus at 133, I run abit sa7(not really great board) running a p4 1.60a(.13 micron 512k on die) at 2.13, just by using the standard multiplyer 16 of the 1.6 and with the fsb at 133, this and the cpu still stays around 34 celsuis, been running like that for over 4 months no problems. Overclocking is not really problem, in my case I just clock till I can't boot then reset the cmos and back it off a tad.

Good Luck!


:D

[Shawn Curry]

Originally posted by retoon
Hello Mr Shawn Curry. Could you do me a favor, and explain to me in what way the pentium 4 is a better processor than the AMD Athlon XP?

Sure!:D

It's just a case of superior architecture. I have not seen any AMD motherboards that use RDRAM (not that they need it, since the system bus is much slower, and you can use DDR (which is already overclocked and is slower than Rambus)).

Price comparison at TigerDirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?id=22)

Note that I have no affiliation with this company, however I have done business with them and they were very fast.

ALSO NOTE the AMD Athlon XP 2200 is (quite deceptively) only running at 1.8Ghz!!! (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=CP2-XP2200C)

Comparitively priced Intel (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=CP2-P4-2000ANC) Processor.

This is the fastest DDR (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=c13-4912) memory I could find at that site. Please note the price and specs.

Here is some Rambus (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=C13-1802)

retoon, deimios <--- Rebels Without A Cause :D

Shawn Curry <---- Inteli-Gent :D :cool:

[Homer119]

Mr. Curry i was looking to obtain a good motherboard that could handle 2 gigs of RAM and is cheep and well good. u dont need to tell me a model but a maker or a good web site that i could buy from. THANKS!

[b_usa]

Cana anyone tell me if they have a DELL Dimension 8200 what they know about that Mobos OC'ing capabilities?(None, I assume, as it is an Intel board) In SANDRA it just tells me the board is a "DELL Dimension 8200." I have the Intel 850 chipset.

[retoon]

DDR 2100 is faster then RDRam and does not require Crimms to fill any empty voids. Also, it is clocked at 1.8 ghz, but AMD says its as good or better then a pentium 4 at 2200 or higher. AMD didn;t go with RDram because they realize that it is a lost cause! another thing, dont compare Intel's netburts archetecture to the new clawhammer's. www.amd.com find a link for the athlon 64. Rambus is not the way to go if your looking for good performance. Expensive, but not for performance, but for the heat sinks it requires, and for the extra cost of the Crimm. (Continuity Rimm for those who didn't know). If you enjoy the intel chips, again, they are good chips, its just that the amds are better and less expensive.

[Can O' Beans]

b_usa - from what I understand, Dells don't really have any overclocking settings available.

For P4s, you want to look for a setting to increase your FSB(front side bus). I highly doubt that Dell's bios has that in there.


...and for everyone arguing what chip maker is better, thats like arguing about what distro is best for a newbie.

[Shawn Curry]

Originally posted by retoon
DDR 2100 is faster then RDRam and does not require Crimms to fill any empty voids. Also, it is clocked at 1.8 ghz,

Rambus is not the way to go if your looking for good performance. Expensive, but not for performance, but for the heat sinks it requires, and for the extra cost of the Crimm. (Continuity Rimm for those who didn't know).

If you enjoy the intel chips, again, they are good chips, its just that the amds are better and less expensive.

Ahem;

DDR 2100 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?Id=1006)
Rambus (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?Id=1005)

AMD (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?page=2&Id=2201)
Intel (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/category_slc.asp?Id=220207)

As for the special memory ic, it's about time they caught up to Intel.

Don't just repeat to me what somebody else told you. Why dont you go look for yourself?

Bottom line: INTEL PROCESSORS ARE CHEAPER, AND SO IS RAMBUS!!

[retoon]

First of all, any information I care to share with this forum is coming straight from me. Second of all tough guy, your comparing ddr 256 to rambus 128, compare ddr2100 256 to rambus 256. Way to send a link! Also, I confess, the intel chip is $40 cheaper, ok, but it doesn't perform as well, and half the reason they dropped so much in price is because people are catching on to the fact that its garbage in comparison. Also, AMD hasn't caught up, they have blown Intel away both in the server market, and in the low end market. Correction - I didn't mean to say that ddr is at 1.8 ghz, I ment to say that the chip you had brought up is 1.8 ghz, incase I wasn't clear enough. Bottom line - AMD BETTER - DDR BETTER. Just do me a favor and get your facts straight before posting back to me, I grow tired of arguing, this will be my last post...


and Can O' Beans brings up a good point!
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...and for everyone arguing what chip maker is better, thats like arguing about what distro is best for a newbie. --