Wine Debugger

[Extreme_Toad]

How does one "unload" a program?
I was trying to get the Stronghold computer game working. I did "wine Stronghold.exe" (yes I was in the right folder, yes, it was an "S" not an "s" and yes it was Stronghold.exe). But I get an error message: "Please unload the debugger and try again." How?
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[Extreme_Toad]

I need help!!!

[bwkaz]

That's probably a message from Stronghold. My guess is it was a messagebox, right? Wine errors will be printed on the console you started wine from, not shown as messageboxes.

As to how to fix it, well, there really isn't any way. What the game is detecting as a "debugger" is really Wine itself. Wine has to catch when programs call Win32 functions so it can implement them with X calls or whatever, so it needs to "act" like a debugger.

Blame the fascist Stronghold programmers that automatically assume anyone running a debugger is a cracker trying to find out things about the game that might help them, like intentional cheat codes or (if this is an online game or something) other ways to, well, cheat. Ways to become invincible, walk through walls, etc.

[Extreme_Toad]

Thank you for your help. I know some people got stronghold working with regular wine, but I guess not me :( .
I downloaded the regular wine, not the opengl wine. Would that have something to do with it?

[bwkaz]

No, that's probably not it...

Can you get in contact with anyone that did get it working? Where did you see that they did?

[Extreme_Toad]

They posted their comments at the Wine web site... maybe there are forums that I have not seen.
Thank you!

P.S. what is the difference between the two Wines (opengl and reg. unstripped)?

[bwkaz]

Huh?

There's Wine from winehq.org. Then there's Codeweavers' Wine from codeweavers.com or .org or something (changed a bit to support apps better), and then there's TransGaming WineX from transgaming.com (changed a lot to support DirectX better -- and if you pay $15, you can get a binary version that supports copy protection schemes so you don't need to use CD cracks all the time for newer games).

I haven't heard of any "unstripped" Wine anywhere... and OpenGL is enabled in most Wine builds, assuming your Linux system has an OpenGL implementation.

[Extreme_Toad]

wine.dataparty.no/ is the site I got my Wine from. There are two options, one is:
wine-cvs-unstripped-101702-1.i386.rpm
And the other:
wine-cvs-opengl-101702-1.i386.rpm

Does anyone know the difference?
Thanks!
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[bwkaz]

I don't...

Have you tried the version of Wine from www.winehq.org? This is the canonical version.

You also might check the "game compatibility list" at www.transgaming.com -- or the list at www.codeweavers.com.

If one of those lists says the game works pretty well, then try the version of Wine off that site. If neither of them do, well, I'm not quite sure what to try. I've never heard of wine.dataparty.no...

[Extreme_Toad]

I saw the link to wine.dataparty.no at the wine HQ website on the download page. Maybe I should grab the wine offered at codeweavers...

[bwkaz]

Oh, OK, I see what that is.

The reason there's a difference is because it's precompiled, not source. If you get the source instead, then you can choose whether or not you want opengl to be enabled, or whether you want to strip the executable (I believe the default is to not strip it; either way is OK).

[Extreme_Toad]

Ah! Now I understand. Thank you for enlightening me!