nVidia VS. Voodoo

[Himura_Kenshin]

Which one should I buy?


Kenshin

[Ripley]

Considering that 3DFX has sold out and future driver support is a dubious proposition, I'd go with Nvidia. And thats from a long time 3DFX user.

[lad24mx]

Originally posted by Himura_Kenshin:

Which one should I buy?


Kenshin


Hitokiri Battousai !!!!!
Orooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!! :P

[mandeep]

For Linux, an older 3dfx card will have better driver support. However, if the box is a dual boot and you play games, the choice is obvious.


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[IronWolve]

Voodoo5 kicks nvidia's *** on the most popular multipler games.

Windows
1. Voodoo5 might not support DX8. (not sure)
2. Q3A and Tribes better on a voodoo5.
3. Some overlays dont work properly on V5. (DVD is fine)
4. Updated drivers for Nvidia not 3DFX.

Linux/BSD
1. Nvidia chipsets work better under X. Voodoo5 is a kludge to get working.
2. Nvidias acclerated features work better under X.


I currently have both, Im using the voodoo5 for games. Later this year, ill have to switch to G-force as it will be the most supported in video games.

Im currently playing Tribe which is glide based, (opengl is a hack, doesnt render correctly).
Q3A looks 10x better under glide. (Found this out at a lan party with multiple video cards)
Half-life Counterstrike Direct3D looks good on both.

Id say if your not using glide games, go with a Geforce.

[StarbuckZero]

I got a Geforce 2 and if you want to go for looks then get a Voodoo 5. If you want to go for speed as in no slow downs and work with a lot of openGL apps/games then get a Geforce 2. I have one and I can tell you it's fast... I got a Geforce because 3Dfx is not in the race no more...That's tells you a lot right there. =)

[AmbientFiction]

Yes but then you must think of the fact of the new nVidia 20 that is comeing out First qt 2001 it is suspost to be better than any Vodoo on the Market..I dont know though still haven't seen it

[Bo_Shi]

Read a .plan of John Carmack's that said Nvidia's technology was better. This might be a flight of fancy... I'll try to look for it now...

BTW, John Carmack = Doom & Quake creator

[Bo_Shi]

Damn... sorry, clicked wrong button in my zeal to get this posted before I look like an idiot.... too late I guess

Here it is:

"GeForce is my baseline for current rendering work, so I can wholeheartedly
recommend it."

"There are two drawbacks [of the Voodoo 5]: it's expensive, and it won't take advantage of the
new rasterization features coming in future games. It probably wouldn't be
wise to buy a voodoo5 if you plan on keeping it for two years."

-- Carmack

Article taken from <a href="http://www.d128.com/cgi/finger.pl?johnc@idsoftware.com:John:Carmack">Here</a>

5/17/00
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I have gotten a lot of requests for comments on the latest crop of video
cards, so here is my initial technical evaluation. We have played with
some early versions, but this is a paper evaluation. I am not in a position
to judge 2D GDI issues or TV/DVD issues, so this is just 3D commentary.


Nvidia
Marketing silliness: saying "seven operations on a pixel" for a dual texture
chip. Yes, I like NV_register_combiners a lot, but come on...

The DDR GeForce is the reining champ of 3D cards. Of the shipping boards, it
is basically better than everyone at every aspect of 3D graphics, and
pioneered some features that are going to be very important: signed pixel
math, dot product blending, and cubic environment maps.

The GeForce2 is just a speed bumped GeForce with a few tweaks, but that's not
a bad thing. Nvidia will have far and away the tightest drivers for quite
some time, and that often means more than a lot of new features in the real
world.

The nvidia register combiners are highly programmable, and can often save a
rendering pass or allow a somewhat higher quality calculation, but on the
whole, I would take ATI's third texture for flexibility.

Nvidia will probably continue to hit the best framerates in benchmarks at low
resolution, because they have flexible hardware with geometry acceleration
and well-tuned drivers.

GeForce is my baseline for current rendering work, so I can wholeheartedly
recommend it.


ATI
Marketing silliness: "charisma engine" and "pixel tapestry" are silly names
for vertex and pixel processing that are straightforward improvements over
existing methods. Sony is probably to blame for starting that.

The Radeon has the best feature set available, with several advantages over
GeForce:

A third texture unit per pixel
Three dimensional textures
Dependent texture reads (bump env map)
Greater internal color precision.
User clip planes orthogonal to all rasterization modes.
More powerful vertex blending operations.
The shadow id map support may be useful, but my work with shadow buffers have
shown them to have significant limitations for global use in a game.

On paper, it is better than GeForce in almost every way except that it is
limited to a maximum of two pixels per clock while GeForce can do four. This
comes into play when the pixels don't do as much memory access, for example
when just drawing shadow planes to the depth/stencil buffer, or when drawing
in roughly front to back order and many of the later pixels depth fail,
avoiding the color buffer writes.

Depending on the application and algorithm, this can be anywhere from
basically no benefit when doing 32 bit blended multi-pass, dual texture
rendering to nearly double the performance for 16 bit rendering with
compressed textures. In any case, a similarly clocked GeForce(2) should
somewhat outperform a Radeon on today's games when fill rate limited. Future
games that do a significant number of rendering passes on the entire world
may go back in ATI's favor if they can use the third texture unit, but I doubt
it will be all that common.

The real issue is how quickly ATI can deliver fully clocked production boards,
bring up stable drivers, and wring all the performance out of the hardware.
This is a very different beast than the Rage128. I would definitely recommend
waiting on some consumer reviews to check for teething problems before
upgrading to a Radeon, but if things go well, ATI may give nvidia a serious
run for their money this year.


3DFX
Marketing silliness: Implying that a voodoo 5 is of a different class than a
voodoo 4 isn't right. Voodoo 4 max / ultra / SLI / dual / quad or something
would have been more forthright.

Rasterization feature wise, voodoo4 is just catching up to the original TNT.
We finally have 32 bit color and stencil. Yeah.

There aren't any geometry features.

The T buffer is really nothing more than an accumulation buffer that is
averaged together during video scanout. This same combining of separate
buffers can be done by any modern graphics card if they are set up for it
(although they will lose two bits of color precision in the process). At
around 60 fps there is a slight performance win by doing it at video scannout
time, but at 30 fps it is actually less memory traffic to do it explicitly.
Video scan tricks also usually don't work in windowed modes.

The real unique feature of the voodoo5 is subpixel jittering during
rasterization, which can't reasonably be emulated by other hardware. This
does indeed improve the quality of anti-aliasing, although I think 3dfx might
be pushing it a bit by saying their 4 sample jittering is as good as 16
sample unjittered.

The saving grace of the voodoo5 is the scalability. Because it only uses SDR
ram, a dual chip Voodoo5 isn't all that much faster than some other single
chip cards, but the quad chip card has over twice the pixel fill rate of the
nearest competitor. That is a huge increment. Voodoo5 6000 should win every
benchmark that becomes fill rate limited.

I haven't been able to honestly recommend a voodoo3 to people for a long
time, unless they had a favorite glide game or wanted early linux Xfree 4.0
3D support. Now (well, soon), a Voodoo5 6000 should make all of today's
games look better than any other card. You can get over twice as many pixel
samples, and have them jittered and blended together for anti-aliasing.

It won't be able to hit Q3 frame rates as high as GeForce, but if you have a
high end processor there really may not be all that much difference for you
between 100fps and 80fps unless you are playing hardcore competitive and
can't stand the occasional drop below 60fps.

There are two drawbacks: it's expensive, and it won't take advantage of the
new rasterization features coming in future games. It probably wouldn't be
wise to buy a voodoo5 if you plan on keeping it for two years.

[Sweede]

perhaps we should mention that nVidia BOUGHT 3dfx and ALL of the voodoo technology.

yea, nVidia now 0wnz VooDoo. they wont make any more "VooDoo" or "3Dfx" cards, but use the technology in their own chips.

aside from the basis that the only drivers that will come for older voodoo cards are from hackers that barely get the hardware spec, nVidia is a FAR FAR FAR superior card than VooDoo has been in the past 2 years.

goto a Q3 tourny and ask ANYONE what kind of card they have.

95% of them will say nVidia. no one will touch a voodoo card.

[AmbientFiction]

Just to let you know my nVida tnt 2 booted just fine in auto-detect...Man I am so pleesed with my choice to move to Linux. This is a great OS one of the best things I have ever seen...Take care

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