What do you use?

[killerasp]

What do you use to develop your software? Do you use software like Code Warrior?

[Sweede]

PHP !!

oh, to develop...

Homesite !!

[killerasp]

arggg! windows user!!

[binaryDigit]

i use applejuice and vim.
everyone knows the only way to become a good programmer is to drink lots of applejuice.

[Wouter v.d. Put]

Originally posted by binaryDigit:
<STRONG>i use applejuice and vim.
everyone knows the only way to become a good programmer is to drink lots of applejuice.</STRONG>
No, no, drink Orange Juice (like me!)
BTW: Where can I get VIM?

[kmj]

uh, killerasp, are you double clicking the cgi-buttons or something? This thread was a double post (I replied to the other one because I didn't see this one), and you double posted again in your reply to this thread. Did you know you can delete posts? If you look at the little icons above each post, you'll see the second from the right is a little pen & paper; clicking this will allow your to edit your post... when editing, you should see a little checkbox near the top of the form, which lets you delete that post.. Please use that to delete double posts to avoid confusion.

[Stuka]

Wouter:
Vim's homepage (http://www.vim.org)

[nanode]

I like vim as a general purpose editor. I even use it at work on win32 machines.

Recently I began using Forté for some java development at work. It's a decent text editor with a good debugger. I do miss vim/vi commands though.

[lsibn]

I use Anjuta (when I can- My gnome-dev libs are broken because I can't find libungif anywhere) because I'm helping to modify and patch it. :)

OTHERWISE, I use Emacs.

Used to use VI, but stopped when I heard people used to pay $150 for a copy of Emacs, so I figured I'd give it a try. Got hooked. :D

[kmj]

So you switched because people are stupid enough to spend over a hundred dollars when theirs a free product which is just as powerful and arguable better available? So why are you on a linux board? There's plenty of people spending thousands of dollars on their windows stuff as we speak... go for it, dude.

[lsibn]

Originally posted by kmj:
<STRONG>So you switched because people are stupid enough to spend over a hundred dollars when theirs a free product which is just as powerful and arguable better available? So why are you on a linux board? There's plenty of people spending thousands of dollars on their windows stuff as we speak... go for it, dude.</STRONG>

Before you hit reply and say I read you all wrong, let me point out that you did no less- I said something, and you read it all wrong.

Edit: Fixed typos

Edit 2: Suffered a remorse of conscience and axed huge amounts of scathing, sarcasm-laden text. Short version: I didn't say it costs $150, or that i was willing to pay that much for it. I didn't say it was better, either. I said I preferred it. It IS GNU software, and IS free software too.

[ 19 June 2001: Message edited by: lsibn ]

[ 19 June 2001: Message edited by: lsibn ]

[Dru Lee Parsec]

Editor: Jext www.jext.org (http://www.jext.org)
Compiler: Java www.javasoft.com (http://www.javasoft.com)
Build tool: Ant http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/index.html

Didn't pay a penny for any of it.

[kmj]

Originally posted by lsibn:
<STRONG>Before you hit reply and say I read you all wrong, let me point out that you did no less- I said something, and you read it all wrong.

Edit: Fixed typos

Edit 2: Suffered a remorse of conscience and axed huge amounts of scathing, sarcasm-laden text. Short version: I didn't say it costs $150, or that i was willing to pay that much for it. I didn't say it was better, either. I said I preferred it. It IS GNU software, and IS free software too.</STRONG>

chill, B, I was j/k. maybe I should've put in a smiley face. (and I knew it was GNU, it was written by RMS (!?) for crying out loud... but you did say that people were paying $150 for it, didn't you?

[lsibn]

Originally posted by kmj:
<STRONG>chill, B, I was j/k. maybe I should've put in a smiley face. (and I knew it was GNU, it was written by RMS (!?) for crying out loud... but you did say that people were paying $150 for it, didn't you?</STRONG>
My apologies- I've had an exceptionally bad weekend, and it's rolled into the new week. It all started when I got a phone call saying my grandpa was dead... :( And i do not have any gparents any more.

I'm not reading that sort of thing as intended recently...

Yes, people used to pay $150 for it. Like in 1984 or something like that (there's an ogg recording linked on the front page of Gnu.org). The internet was not common, and people would contact him asking how they could get a copy, and instead of saying he wanted to spend time writing free software, and to get a friend to make a tape for them, that if they sent $150 that he'd copy it to a tape and mail it to them personally.

Everything below copied from a transcript of that audio recording (also found on gnu.org):

So, in January 1984, I quit my job at MIT to start writing pieces of
GNU. They were nice enough to let me keep using their facilities
though. And, at the time, I thought we would write all these pieces,
and make an entire GNU system, and then we'd say, "Come and get it", and
people would start to use it. That's not what happened. The first
pieces I wrote were just equally good replacements, with fewer bugs
for some pieces of UNIX, but they weren't tremendously exciting.
Nobody particularly wanted to get them and install them. But then,
in September 1984, I started writing GNU Emacs, which was my second
implementation of Emacs, and by early 1985, it was working. I could
use it for all my editing, which was a big relief, because I had no
intention of learning to use VI, the UNIX editor. [Laughter] So, until
that time, I did my editing on some other machine, and saved the
files through the network, so that I could test them. But when GNU
Emacs was running well enough for me to use it, it was also -- other
people wanted to use it too.

So I had to work out the details of distribution. Of course, I put a copy
in the anonymous FTP directory, and that was fine for people who were on
the net They could then just pull over a tar file, but a lot of
programmers then even were not on the net in 1985. They were sending me
emails saying "How can I get a copy?" I had to decide what I would
answer them. Well, I could have said, I want to spend my time writing
more GNU software, not writing tapes, so please find a friend who's on
the internet and who is willing to download it and put it on a tape for
you. And I'm sure people would have found some friends, sooner or later,
you know. They would have got copies. But I had no job. In fact, I've
never had a job since quitting MIT in January 1984. So, I was looking
for some way I could make money through my work on free software,
and therefore I started a free software business. I announced, "Send me
$150 dollars, and I'll mail you a tape of Emacs." And the orders began
dribbling in. By the middle of the year they were trickling in.

[kmj]

I'm sorry about your bad news.. :( Thanks for the link; that's pretty interesting. I'm d/l'ing the audio file right now. I think (hope) it's obvious that the intent of my original reply on the subject was that it's kind of silly to choose your software based solely on cost. Obviously that isn't what you did. I do think that $150 is a pretty steep price, but I suppose it's not that bad if you use it every day for work.

[lsibn]

Originally posted by kmj:
<STRONG>I'm sorry about your bad news.. :( Thanks for the link; that's pretty interesting. I'm d/l'ing the audio file right now. I think (hope) it's obvious that the intent of my original reply on the subject was that it's kind of silly to choose your software based solely on cost. Obviously that isn't what you did. I do think that $150 is a pretty steep price, but I suppose it's not that bad if you use it every day for work.</STRONG>
yes, it is pretty obvious- now, anyway. :D

I can't claim to have sat there and considered that for all your experience here you may well not actually be saying what I was reading. Or something. I'm being incoherent, if you don't understand, it's probably not marshmallows. :confused:

no, I don't feel it's better because it had an impressive price tag. I figured it must be "very good" because it had an impressive price tag, and thought that I must not have used it for long enough to appreciate or something. So I stuck with it, and actually quite like it now. Not related to the price.

I don't use it because it was very expensive an 1985, I use it because I liked it when tried it. And I tried it because it was very expensive in 1985 (when it sucked!). :D

[lsibn]

By the way... that speech is like 61:50 for part 1, and something like 76:30 for part 2.

I cut part 2 and put some of it on the back of part one. I have my full speech on 2 cds. :D

Two copies of it. :cool: