What's the difference?...RH vs. Mandrake.

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I'm a newbie and WILL BE for some time.

AFTER I am comfortable with Linux I may check out the rest but for now I'll need to stay with what's easy.

RH and Mandrake (the newest ones) look pretty much the same...so what's the difference?

Another Q...if they all use the same kernel then am I correct in assuming that the "Linux" commands will be the same no matter what distro you are using?

Is there any major bugs in either of those two distros?

I see that Mandrake is French...???

But, they are "like" RH...???

And...they are going the route of RH in "services".

I am beginning to see WHY so many distros.

I was going to set an old P120 with 2x 1G HD's up as a firewall for my home network (I have a cable modem now...Grrrrrrreat!) but the Turbolinux "Firewall Install" is TEXT.

And...I better learn some first.

In the meantime I'll crawl by with my HackTracer/BlackIce combo.


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[tko fx]

I'm probably not the best one to answer this, but from my experience with both mandrake and redhat, they differ in a few ways...

Mandrake is pentium optimized, Redhat is not
Mandrake has it's "Drak*" tools, such as DrakConf and so on, redhat has linuxconf and so on
Mandrake has msec (some sort of security feature) and i'm pretty sure RedHat doesn't have it, it's more of a mandrake specific tool (I guess?)


Anyways, I think those are the major differences between the two distro's, really security-wise each distro is very different, your best bet is to find a distro that supports your hardware and is suited to your knowledge of linux(eg. Mandrake for those of you that are fairly new to linux, and need an easier time...or people that just don't want to mess around getting things setup the 'old fashioned' way _and_ something like Slackware, Debian or SuSE for the more advanced people that don't mind putting in a little more effort into getting things setup, though Debian and SuSE are becoming easier and easier to use with YasT for SuSE and deb's, and apt for Debian)

Anyways, what I'm saying is you don't really want to look at what someone else has to say so much as you want to experience a distro for yourself, you are the only one who truly knows if the distro will work for you in the long-run(aside hardware conflicts and lack of support)

that's my 2cents http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/redface.gif] hope it helps out

[Phreakee]

So Mandrake is optimized for a Pentium.. Does anyone know exaclty Mandrake does to "Optimize" it? Is the kernel compiled with a Pentium processor selected and that is it or what?

If so then Red Hat can be Penitum "Optimized" to with a quick kernel recompile.

Also Mandrake's focus is on the Desktop market where Red Hat is focusing on server's, HA, embedded and the Desktop.

Mandrake has a lot of nice GUI administration applications which are really nice. Red Hat has similar apps but they are curses based.

They are very similar since mandrake is based on Red Hat.

[ph34r]

Mandrake used to just be a optimized and updated Redhat, but has since come into its own, although it is stull very much redhat based. All of the binaries are compiled with pentium (and higher) optimizations, as is the kernel. Mandrake includes updated packages more often than redhat, and they have started to support more newer/faster/better hardware "out of the box" such as ATA66/100 devices, whereas other distros must be patched or updated before getting the newest hardware to work.

On that note, all distros are linux - just different config tools, etc. Find a nice book that you can gr0ck, and use the distro that comes with it, although I would stick to slackware, debian, redhat, or mandrake.

And don't be afraid of a text based install.

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Originally posted by Phreakee:
So Mandrake is optimized for a Pentium.. Does anyone know exaclty Mandrake does to "Optimize" it? Is the kernel compiled with a Pentium processor selected and that is it or what?

If so then Red Hat can be Penitum "Optimized" to with a quick kernel recompile.

Also Mandrake's focus is on the Desktop market where Red Hat is focusing on server's, HA, embedded and the Desktop.

Mandrake has a lot of nice GUI administration applications which are really nice. Red Hat has similar apps but they are curses based.

They are very similar since mandrake is based on Red Hat.



Pentium processors have 15 (I think) new commands that 486's don't recognize. It's a bit more complicated than simply recompiling.



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Originally posted by ph34r:
Mandrake used to just be a optimized and updated Redhat, but has since come into its own, although it is stull very much redhat based. All of the binaries are compiled with pentium (and higher) optimizations, as is the kernel. Mandrake includes updated packages more often than redhat, and they have started to support more newer/faster/better hardware "out of the box" such as ATA66/100 devices, whereas other distros must be patched or updated before getting the newest hardware to work.

On that note, all distros are linux - just different config tools, etc. Find a nice book that you can gr0ck, and use the distro that comes with it, although I would stick to slackware, debian, redhat, or mandrake.

And don't be afraid of a text based install.


Thanks...it didn't take me long to get comfortable with the TEXT/EXPERT installs.

I tried several distros (never got Slack to install).

I've decided to go with Mandrake to begin with and play with the others as I learn.

I have installed/re-partitioned so much the last few days that my HD reached out and smacked me today. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

I told it "OK...we'll go with Mandrake for now." http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif




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[Muzzafarath]

Pentium processors have 15 (I think) new commands that 486's don't recognize. It's a bit more complicated than simply recompiling.


It _is_ as simple as simply recompiling. With a compiler that can optimize for the Pentium it is. :P

[This message has been edited by Muzzafarath (edited 12 November 2000).]

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Originally posted by Muzzafarath:
It _is_ as simple as simply recompiling. With a compiler that can optimize for the Pentium it is. :P

[This message has been edited by Muzzafarath (edited 12 November 2000).]

OK...Hmmm?



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[conman]

Yes the kernel is compiled for i586 instead of 386 using pgcc. Also EVERY other package is pentium optimised, not just the kernel. This is actually quite tricky if you try to do it yourself as not all source is "compilable" with pgcc out of the box.