The Florida re-vote

[DrDrake]

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a0b768f3649.htm

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[DrDrake]

In 1996, they tossed out 15,000 ballots in Palm Beach County. That's only 4,000 ballot toss-out gain which could easily be caused from higher voter turnout and population increase. The 19,000 ballots that were tossed out was because they double voted which is illegal. Since 1996, registration for the Reform Party has gone up 110% in Palm Beach County -- 3x faster than other counties.
In Ohio, 70 out of 88 counties used the butterfly ballot just like from Palm Beach County, Florida. You don't see them complaining they were so dumb they couldn't figure out the ballot.

Also, the ballot has been around for years, it's not new. The Democrats and Republicans BOTH had to agree to use that ballot before it was put into use. Only now are Democrats saying it was put in Bush's favor -- then why did they OK it in the first place? Also, all registered voters were mailed the ballot and they had no problems with it and agreed for it to be used.

Calling a re-election based on ballot design is illegal. This issue was addressed during the 1974 Republican primary in Florida. In that case, the ballot was the longest in state history, and was called confusing because of the way the candidates were listed. Some of the losing candidates at the bottom of the ballot sued and demanded a new election, but the Second District Court of Appeal unanimously overturned the trial judge.

This decision in this case, Nelson v. Robinson, read as follows:

"If a candidate appears on the ballot in such a position that he can be found by the voters upon a responsible study of the ballot, then such voters have been afforded a full, free and open opportunity to make their choice for or against that particular candidate; and the candidate himself has no constitutional right to a particular spot on the ballot which might make the voters' choice easier. His constitutional rights in the matter end when his name is placed on the ballot.

"The Constitution intended that a voter search for the name of the candidate of his choice and to express his choice without regard to others on the ballot. Furthermore, it assumes his ability to read and his intelligence to indicate his choice with the degree of care commensurate with the solemnity of the occasion."

The Court of Appeal also cited a 1970 case in which the Supreme Court ruled that an unfavorable location on the ballot was not a form of unconstitutional discrimination against a candidate. Clearly, these precedents relate directly to complaints about this Palm Beach County ballot - which was designed by a Democrat - and renders complaints about it being confusing pointless.

Great Gore is now claiming that this is only the beginning. Now he wants to reverse a law so he can go through and try to get some re-elections. Wtf?!? He wants to change the law so he can try to manipulate everything to his advantage? He lost the original count and it looks like he lost the re-count. Now he's having ANOTHER RECOUNT in four mostly Democratic counties -- probably something illegal he's gonna pull in those place. Somethings fishy if he's having additional recounts in counties he won in. When this has happened in the past, the Presidental candidate who lost but had won the popular vote opted to concede because they didn't want to put America through turmoil. This shows Gore isn't fit to be President if he doesn't care how much problems he's putting the American people through.

NOTE: The paragraphs about Nelson v. Robinson were taken from Rush Limbaugh's website -- too lazy to retype it in my own words =)

(from shlonglor.com)

[ds801]

Hey, you could at least put these posts in the "shoot the breeze" or "general/OT" forums where they belong. This is "General Linux Questions!

[fuzzy]

Originally posted by ds801:
Hey, you could at least put these posts in the "shoot the breeze" or "general/OT" forums where they belong. This is "General Linux Questions!


Yeah, get this crap outta here, please. It's bad enough it's on the RANTS page.

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[fuzzy]

Originally posted by DrDrake:

... were taken from Rush Limbaugh's website -- too lazy to retype it in my own words =)

(from shlonglor.com)


That explains everything. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
I'm with you on the absurdity about another recount and any further nonsense (not that the gops wouldn't try to do the same thing if the roles were reversed), but when you start mentioning Rush, you've lost me. The man is an ***.

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[mastersibn]

So you're not willing to listen to him?

I dunno about that one, dude... If we only listened to people we liked, would we have made it through school? If we only listened to people we liked, how could we be expected to reach an informed decision?

Whether you like the man or not has no bearing on the validity of his information; and the sooner you learn that, the sooner you can get your own head out of your ***. If you think about it, what you're saying is that "you're perfect," and have no need of dissenters.

I don't like rush, and I don't listen to him often. But what I do hear, I make the best effort to understand fully. You don't see me just saying "Oh, Imus said that. It's not even worth listening to." That's a bad way to manage information.

I am NOT a republican, I am NOT a democrat. And I would be embarrassed to be associated with either party at the moment.

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[fuzzy]

Originally posted by mastersibn:
So you're not willing to listen to him?

I dunno about that one, dude... If we only listened to people we liked, would we have made it through school? If we only listened to people we liked, how could we be expected to reach an informed decision?

Whether you like the man or not has no bearing on the validity of his information; and the sooner you learn that, the sooner you can get your own head out of your ***. If you think about it, what you're saying is that "you're perfect," and have no need of dissenters.

I don't like rush, and I don't listen to him often. But what I do hear, I make the best effort to understand fully. You don't see me just saying "Oh, Imus said that. It's not even worth listening to." That's a bad way to manage information.

I am NOT a republican, I am NOT a democrat. And I would be embarrassed to be associated with either party at the moment.


Uh, I've listened to him and read one of his books. He's pretty much an antagonistic idiot. That's why I lose interest in any argument basd on or substantiated by Mr. Limbaugh. I, too, am neither Republican nor Democrat and I,too, am embarrassed and angered by the whole proceedings of the last several days as well as much of the drivel spewed forth on the RANTS forum.
And I never said he wasn't worth listening too. I just said he lost me (for above resaons)when he mentioned Rush.
And, no, I am not perfect. I never claimed to be. (Actually, you read a lot into my one or two senteces.) I like voices of dissention. But I appreciate them and value them more when they don't try to make a point through antagonization and melodramatics which is what Rush does.


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[DrDrake]

All I gotta say, wrong forum or not, is that if you cannot fill out a ballot correctly, you should not be voting.

[mastersibn]

Originally posted by fuzzy:
Uh, I've listened to him and read one of his books. He's pretty much an antagonistic idiot. That's why I lose interest in any argument basd on or substantiated by Mr. Limbaugh. I, too, am neither Republican nor Democrat and I,too, am embarrassed and angered by the whole proceedings of the last several days as well as much of the drivel spewed forth on the RANTS forum.
And I never said he wasn't worth listening too. I just said he lost me (for above resaons)when he mentioned Rush.
And, no, I am not perfect. I never claimed to be. (Actually, you read a lot into my one or two senteces.) I like voices of dissention. But I appreciate them and value them more when they don't try to make a point through antagonization and melodramatics which is what Rush does.



My apologies; allow me to elaborate on the text you didn't print?

When you said that you lose interest in arguments based on what Rush says, you showed that you aren't interested in considering information from him to be valid. If you were genuinely interested in hearing all points of a story, these obnoxious rants of Rush wouldn't stop you from listening to him. They don't stop me, but then again, like I said: I don't listen very often at all.

I don't go about knocking Rush for not providing information of an 'acceptable' quality, because if I'm truly interested in discovering 'the truth' about an issue, I will collect as much information on it as possible, regardless of the source. And that doesn't mean I believe everything I hear, either; I want to check every point possible for validity, which means consulting more people. In the end, you always end up with one side agreeing to take partial blame for a matter (such as the ballots being used in florida were made by democrats, and approved for use by BOTH parties).

Embellishment is an important aspect of journalism; you can't sell me on an issue if you are apathetic (or appear to be) yourself. I would sooner listen to rush spew endless streams of lies (not that I can say that's ever happened) than listen to Stuart Smalley's 'Daily Affirmations.' (for those of you who aren't familiar with Stuart, it's a skit from Saturday Night Live mocking many aspects of 'modern psychology.')

What I saw in the way you phrased things is that you claimed to be disinterested with an argument supported by Rush quotes. If that's the case, then clearly you don't believe that Rush could be right. If that's the case, then clearly you MUST be right. And if you are necessarily right all the time, then you must be perfect.

I'm not sure who's more confused now, but hopefully you see why it looks to me like you're claiming some sort of infallibility?

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[Goughmezz]

Originally posted by DrDrake:

Great Gore is now claiming that this is only the beginning. Now he wants to reverse a law so he can go through and try to get some re-elections. Wtf?!? He wants to change the law so he can try to manipulate everything to his advantage? He lost the original count and it looks like he lost the re-count. Now he's having ANOTHER RECOUNT in four mostly Democratic counties -- probably something illegal he's gonna pull in those place. Somethings fishy if he's having additional recounts in counties he won in. When this has happened in the past, the Presidental candidate who lost but had won the popular vote opted to concede because they didn't want to put America through turmoil. This shows Gore isn't fit to be President if he doesn't care how much problems he's putting the American people through.

NOTE: The paragraphs about Nelson v. Robinson were taken from Rush Limbaugh's website -- too lazy to retype it in my own words =)

(from shlonglor.com)




I couldn't agree more. The Klinton/Gore Administration is typical of this behavior. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Goughmezz]

That's beautiful. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

[aUsLanDeR]

http://www.jibjab.com/cartoons/raps/rp_main02.htm

Man....them boyz can rock da house!! http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Hmmm...time will tell if they'll be able to do same in the Senate http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

[genec]

Only in America... can an idiot from Texas be elected with 17.5% of the national vote.

Woohoo! Go Bush!
http://www.gwbush.com (my favorite website for the next four years)

[genec]

My apologies- not everyone in Texas is an idiot.