Ximian does bad things to debian

[Growing]

Ximian does bad things to debian, at least mine.
I installed from by 2.1 Slink Install CD. Then apt-get dist-upgrade'd to potato. Everything was fine.
then installed Ximian. Got a monkey on my screen. Then apt-get dist-upgrade to woody.
Now in text mode only.
If you intend to upgrade-woody, get rid of ximian first...I have learned.
Oh well back to slink i guess. :(

[igloo]

sadly, i'd have to agree. i had a storm2000 install (based on potato), which came with ximian. i didn't know (at the time) differences between ximian and gnome .deb's. i upgraded to woody (testing), but all worked nicely. apt held back all my ximian packages. once, i upgraded balsa eventho it was held back. well, it worked... then i lost gnome-session. in trying to get gnome-session back, i've mixed ximian with gnome from woody.
i've never tried adding the ximian sources to my sources.list, and updating from there.... but, since i no have no 'net access on that box, i'm limited to putting deb's on floppys... which isn't working to well!
i'm afraid, i may have to bring the box to work, purge all gnome, and go with either one or the other.
if anyone knows any better ways, please tell me!
at this point, i have all ximian except pan and balsa, which are woody versions of gnome itself. my gnome-session is installed, but is now missing a library!
ahhhhh... maybe i should hope ximian releases woody debs soon!

~jason

[Skroob]

I used to use Ximian with Debian, But I would strongly suggest against it. The packaging benifits that Ximian provides are nullified by apt. That and it introduced all sorts of problems. Getting rid of it was a big pain too. I'm never going to use Ximian again.

[igloo]

that is true, i have no need for all these other package managing packages when dpkg and apt work great! since this box is offline, i'll just try to get my gnome back to 100% ximian, and hopefully it'll be stable and completely functional.
i've finally managed to uninstall the packages that i upgraded to woody (dpkg -r) - pan, balsa, and gnome-session. thank goodness i have my original storm cd... i was able to use dpkg to re-install those packages from the original versions. it meant downgrading gnome-core, though.
at this point, i can't start a gnome-session becase it doesn't find libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1. debian's site indicates this lib is part of the libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 package.
so, i can't wait to get home, see if i have that, and make sure it's the same version on the storm cd.
this would all be much easier with a 'net connection. so far, i've liked ximian, but now i have an issue for them!
since i am stuck with win98 at work, i can easily point my browser to debian's list of packages that apt-would-get, or even use debian's package search tool. ximian's deb package site (http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian/) does not let you see a directory listing! i can see why a web admin might like this feature, but in my case, i can't see of any way of grabbing the latest deb without using apt!
let's see if it's on my storm cd ....

~jason

[geekchic]

Ximian GNOME doesn't really work with Mandrake, either. It's really buggy. I can't change my themes. I can't send bug reports unless I'm root. X actually crashes sometimes.

I'm not used to this buggy, crashing business. (Insert rant about buggy closed-source products here.) After I update the kernel (close, but not quite there yet), I will reinstall my old GNOME. It'll take time, but at least it will be more stable.

[castlef]

geekchick: how can u tell if you are running ximian? i have mandrake 8.0 and i assume that its ximian because i cant change themes either. i cant wait to get more experience to switch to another distro like Debian. and can someone tell me what a woody is ? LOL . seriously i dont know, and potato is the debian distribution?

[seeker22]

It works perfect on RedHat 7.1 :) They haven't released the Mandrake 8 version yet.