Sensei, please read

[The Whizzard]

I just wanted you to know that I'm sorry what happened with internet.com. I don't have any idea what you are feeling.

I've been communicating with Kevin Reichard of internet.com to get information on what needs to be done to keep LNO going. I hope you don't take any offence in my contacting internet.com and my efforts to keep LNO alive. In fact, I hope you will continue to be the Sensei you are, and maintain LNO on a voluntary basis. I will understand if you don't want to. Bills don't get paid them selvs afterall.

Please consider my plea. I'm sure every member of LNO would like you to be our Sensei, allways.

--The Whizzard

[Sensei]

I have to think about alot of things in the next coming weeks. My vacation will be a cleansing experience and I will have a clear head to make such decisions.

I personally do not believe the volunteer system to maintain a site works. Look at Linux.com. They have a great name and a great design, but the content sucks and the site overall and the concept just sucks.

LNO did well because there was someone working 24 hours a day. People contributed to LNO, but did not have to have responsibility of maintenance. This is the reason why the system of LNO worked IMHO.

Of course what do I know? :p

[The Whizzard]

I'm sure all of us here understand your view.
Whatever it is you decide, come in any time and help out as much as you want. You will always be welcome here. :D Good luck!

[X_console]

I agree with you Sensei. Whoever takes over LNO's maintainance has to be someone who can take care of it 24 hours.

[prince_kenshi]

Well I don't see why two people can't take over. That would help span it across 24 hours. Even if there's an hour or two that it can't be repaired, that's not too bad.

[pbharris]

hey sensei - good to see you are still a black belt.

[evil_roy]

Originally posted by prince_kenshi:
<STRONG>Well I don't see why two people can't take over. That would help span it across 24 hours. Even if there's an hour or two that it can't be repaired, that's not too bad.</STRONG>

Because that would constitute scab labour. It's one thing sacking someone - quite another to expect others to take on the previously paid role as volunteers.

internet.com do not deserve to get something for nothing.

No way.

[The Whizzard]

Well, if no one admins this site, it the ubb will crap out soon. If you can't get to the forums, what use is it to have a LNO. I don't want to lose LNO. I don't have any knowledge of admining a BBS. If no one else volunteers, I might have to force myself to learn. Would you rather have someone with some knowledge, or me with none? I'm just fsckin pissed at the moment. Yes, I agree that inet.com screwed up in canning Sensei then asking for volunteers. But just can't let LNO go.

[TaeShadow]

Originally posted by The Whizzard:
<STRONG>Well, if no one admins this site, it the ubb will crap out soon. If you can't get to the forums, what use is it to have a LNO. I don't want to lose LNO. I don't have any knowledge of admining a BBS. If no one else volunteers, I might have to force myself to learn. Would you rather have someone with some knowledge, or me with none? I'm just fsckin pissed at the moment. Yes, I agree that inet.com screwed up in canning Sensei then asking for volunteers. But just can't let LNO go.</STRONG>

Completely true. Maybe if we beg they'll hire Sensei back :rolleyes:

[The Whizzard]

Originally posted by FoBoT:
<STRONG>there are plenty of volunteers, look at the forums, people are answering questions tonight just like last week, just like last month

there are plenty of volunteers here, i can't figure out why that kevin dude you have been emailing doesn't have enough sense to come look at the forums and figure out that there are plenty of volunteers here answering linux questions and entertaining the people that answer the linux question, day after day, week after week

i am still confused why they think that people need to email them begging to volunteer/help with something that means so much to so many of us

if they had any initiative/concern for LNO, they could figure out who the "volunteers" really are

hrmph

&lt;/end of rant, better read this fast, i might delete it when i get my better judgement back http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/shakehead_ron.gif &gt;</STRONG>
You got a good point there. Right now I just concerned when the ubb fsckes up, not just helping fellow grasshoppers. But you know me, I'm always :confused:

[TaeShadow]

Sensei's job is to keep the board running smoothly on a technical level. It is a job that requires constant attention and care. Though I may enjoy answering the occasional Linux question, I could not afford to devote all of my time to doing Sensei's job, and I'm not sure anyone else here could, either. There may be plenty of volunteers, but I don't think any of us would be capable of performing the necessary tasks without being paid for it!

[knowledgepeacewi]

considering the limited ads and lack of pop up ads, I find it hard to believe that internet.com is making enough money to maintain a paycheck for an administrator. Especially an administrator of Sensei's stature. I don't know much, but this site seems to be for the benefit of all of us and very little else. I don't see many employers picking up employees here. So it doesn't serve as a job referal site. I dunno.

[Ben Briggs]

Originally posted by knowledgepeacewi:
<STRONG>considering the limited ads and lack of pop up ads, I find it hard to believe that internet.com is making enough money to maintain a paycheck for an administrator. Especially an administrator of Sensei's stature.</STRONG>
Very true. Plus many Linux users don't have the needed RAM/Space/Hardware compatibility to run graphical browsers (myself included) like Netscape, Opera, or Mozilla (to name a few). The text-based browsers don't put a penny in internet.com's bank account.

[evil_roy]

The point is this.

Sensei ran this site ..and made a living.
Intenet.com paid to own "the site"

Internet.com sacked Sensei

Internet.com asked for volunteers (free labour) to run the site.

Tell them to **** OFF.

[rch-tech]

Hmmmm, wonder if somehow M$ is behind this...nahhh, that's just conspiracy theory ;)

[Apostata]

I don't understand how being hostile (and juvenile in some cases) towards the folks at internet.com is going to help the situation...it's not like we have any cards to play in this game.
I think it's clear we all want the site to live (including NHF's and the BBS). I don't see how that can be accomplished by telling the guy holding the keys to the site to "fu*k off".

[compunuts]

Originally posted by Ben Briggs:
<STRONG>
Very true. Plus many Linux users don't have the needed RAM/Space/Hardware compatibility to run graphical browsers (myself included) like Netscape, Opera, or Mozilla (to name a few). The text-based browsers don't put a penny in internet.com's bank account.</STRONG>
You gotta be kidding me..... Have you ever asked for the stastic of the site?? I remember one time we had the thread about accessing this site with Windows based and Linux based PCs. Sensei one time said that about 68 to 70% are with IE... so go figure...... And I'd think low end PC usage access are of a few (not that it's a bad thing) but many people access from higher end stations with Windows PC at work or home.... This is the fact.. Inet.com makes money off of this site. If too much ads, it will drive people away especially whom likely to help others.....

[prince_kenshi]

Originally posted by Apostata:
<STRONG>I don't understand how being hostile (and juvenile in some cases) towards the folks at internet.com is going to help the situation...it's not like we have any cards to play in this game.
I think it's clear we all want the site to live (including NHF's and the BBS). I don't see how that can be accomplished by telling the guy holding the keys to the site to "fu*k off".</STRONG>

Agreed. Volunteers may be the only thing that keep this site up. I know some people scream we should just make another site and all go there. Well I don't see anyone making the site, so I'm staying here.

[demian]

Originally posted by prince_kenshi:
<STRONG>I don't see anyone making the site.</STRONG>

cloverm did! Here's (http://www.linuxnewbie.org/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=22&t=006925&p=2) the thread, here's (http://4.34.170.255/linuxnewbieboard/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi) the board.

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: demian ]

[evil_roy]

Good luck to internet.com in their endeavours.

But you don't seek out volunteer labour to replace peoples jobs. It is not right.

internet.com is a business, not a charity.

[david]

bah, screw internet.com

two more BBS's tp hang out at now: http://www.linuxnewbieboard.com http://www.linuxorbit.com

GJ, the guy in charge of LO, is thinking about changing the look of the BBS. only a 100 members so far, so I don't think he's worried about too much happening :)

[Feid]

it's not like we have any cards to play in this game.
I think it's clear we all want the site to live (including NHF's and the BBS). I don't see how that can be accomplished by telling the guy holding the keys to the site to "fu*k off".
We don't have the cards to force internet.com to do anything. What we do have however is the money they gamble with. If no one is there for them to make money on, they will change to what we want, what brings people to the site. By telling the people running the site now to "fu*k off" we are telling them how we want the site, and how to keep the page views up, yes they hold the keys, but if no one wants in what good are the keys? IMHO of course :D

[vvx]

Originally posted by david:
<STRONG>bah, screw internet.com

two more BBS's tp hang out at now: http://www.linuxnewbieboard.com http://www.linuxorbit.com

GJ, the guy in charge of LO, is thinking about changing the look of the BBS. only a 100 members so far, so I don't think he's worried about too much happening :)</STRONG>

Who's hanging out at LO? I've been hanging out at LNB and they've got a pretty impressive crowd of people..