Arigato

[Sensei]

I was flying back on a plane from Columbus Ohio this morning thinking, how am I going to do this? How am I going to explain that today is my last day working for Internet.com and running Linuxnewbie.org? Well I guess I just did.

Sensei's farewell (http://www.linuxnewbie.org/arigato.html)

Farewell friends...

PS my sensei@LNO email will be cutoff soon.

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: Sensei ]

[YaRness]

so you get a better job? you gonna become a time-wasting-poster (or at least occasional) like the rest of us?

[FoBoT]

:eek:

[FoBoT]

i had a funny feeling about this

preminition??
i was thinking in my garage last night and this thought popped in my head (among others that i can't reveal :o )

:eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FoBoT]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/cry.gif

i don't know how to say goodbye

even with a new job, won't you post here as a regular grasshopper? sometimes?

:(

best of luck in all you do, both you and linuxgirl, take care and i hope good luck shines on you and all you do :)

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

[BioHaze]

So sad to see you go. What happened to cause this? Wish you luck with all your ventures in the future.

[YaRness]

heh. i wonder if anyone else will notice this, not too many people check out lno talkback, and i wonder how many [ab]use the recent topics page.

<2 months later> anyone seen sensei?

:) :eek: :(

[Travis Shofner]

WHOA!! I've only been here a couple months, but I already feel like this is a great community and one I am happy to be part of.

So...

THANKS SENSEI!!! I hope this place continues as it has without changes (for the worse!).

:confused: :eek:

[Antho]

Take care Sensei, good luck on your future ventures!

[twofoolish2b]

Good luck Sensei I hope everything works out. Question who's going to be the new Sensei?

[Sensei]

Theres only one Sensei ;)

The rest will be sub-sensei's :)

[rick420]

Good Luck Sensei!!! If I didn't find this place I would have never seen how great Linux is and how helpful all these Linux people are. Take care, and thanks. :)

[ph34r]

What? OK, I understand RealLife can get in the way occasionally...

Can you tell us more about the future of the site? Is it going to go full commercial with internet.com?

[rov]

Thanks a lot for the site. I don't think I would have ever learned Linux without it.

Best of luck, and hope you have a wonderful. BTW, we still haven't seen those wedding pictures.

[zippohippo]

F-O-U-L!! I cry foul!

[Sensei]

I just want to make it clear that it was not my choice to leave and I was not given any information on the future of LNO.

[The Whizzard]

This sucks. :( If we start a petition, can we get you back? Do you want to come back?

[ferrol]

Good Luck in all you do,
This place has opened my eyes to the computer world, and I shall soon be getting a job because of it.

Because of you people come to this community and go away positive and without a 'RTFM' :)

Thanks and Good Luck.

[Bradmont2]

I'm so sad now! LNO is my favorite site, and the only one I visit on a daily basis. All you guys were so very helpful in making me the semi-guru I am today. I've had so much fun here!

Well, as Sensei said, the site'll stay up; the forums will stay active; All I have to say is, whoever takes over the site, If they ever need help, they just have to ask.

Well, Thanks Sensei, for all you've done. And good luck, and have fun.

[twofoolish2b]

Did Internet.com always own linuxnewbie.org? Sensei will you start your own site now?

[EyesWideOpen]

Take care Sensei. Hope you're successful at whatever you find yourself doing. ;)

Who is going to post stories to the front page now?! :confused:

[Big_daddy]

I just want to make it clear that it was not my choice to leave and I was not given any information on the future of LNO.

I told you not to take that part in that porn movie.

You did a great job. Kick back and observe all you have done. Ya done good. Crack a 40 and wave bye.

ps. ****edcompany.com

[JALU]

Thanks Sensi. Farewell, and good luck with all your furture endeavors. Enjoy your honeymoon.

:(

[kozumo]

Wow I am, for some reason, really sad!
I'll miss you sensei and linuxgirl. Thank you for this great site. I think it's the only website that offers friendly Linux help on the net. The site will definitely not be the same without you. *sniff*

It's alright...I just got sand in my eye. :rolleyes:

[TheLinuxDuck]

I can only hope and pray that the site continues to roll forward, because it's taken much time to make it become the great and wonderful place it is.

I know I would be lost with linux if it weren't for this site, as well, I prolly would never have gotten back into programming, nor started up a site with a fellow LNOr.

I'm sad.

This is almost as much a shock to me as Douglas Adams.

::sigh::

But, I guess things have to change. It's the nature of human beings.

[DMR]

it was not my choice to leave

I hope the BS wasn't too deep. :rolleyes:


:(
So long, and thanks for all the fish...
:(

Take care. Good luck to you and Linuxgirl!

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: DMR ]

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by kozumo:
<STRONG>It's alright...I just got sand in my eye. :rolleyes:</STRONG>

me too, and i'm sitting in a dilbert cubicle!
http://www.dreamerwww.com/buttons2/farewell.gif

[Bradmont2]

I still just can't believe it. I hope those internet.com beeotches don't hurt Sensei's baby! :( :( :( :(

[demian]

Oh my gosh!! This is so sad :(

I want to thank you, Sensei, for making this site possible, you really did make this a fun place (though the community has a whole certainly contributed it's part, too ;) ). It's really sad to see you go.

I whish you the very best for your future.

[revolution]

Thanks for the site!!! Good luck in whatever you do.

[Yvraine]

OMG! :eek:

What will become of us now?

Seriously, may you find a place where you are as appreciated as you are here! And that pays well, too. ;)

Best of luck to the both of you!

[nopun]

Farewell Sensei, thanks for the site.

Hmmm, even if I'm not sure quite what has been going on, will this site ever be the same again?
:(

[kmj]

I don't get it.. today isn't april first, is it?

Well, so long Sensei, and good luck in your future endeavors, whatever they may be!

[RTFM]

:eek:

[thor4linux]

Well, I've not been here very long, but i really like it. i get on just to come here and look around. i hardly ever go to any other sites. I hope that Internet.com won't screw with the chemistry here in the name of the all-mighty $. That would suck! I hope life treats you right Sensei, Good luck. And i hope LNO will be around for a while.


Brian

[Linux987]

Goodbye Sensei, I think it is great what you have done. I have enjoyed this site for several years. I wish you luck in the future.

[jenbass]

Sensei - I'd like to add my thanks for the site. It makes the difference between and giving up and struggling on up the steep learning mountain. (Thinking Goddamnit, there must be a top somewhere......a ridge even?....where's my iceaxe.)
Enjoy your break, anyway.
Cheers, jenbass.

[halfcircles]

Sensei, what will become of LNO? This site has been an inspiration to my Linux growth. I don't know if I can go on if the site doesn't get updated! This is worse than cats and dogs living together! WHAT WILL I USE FOR MY START PAGE??? :eek:

[prince_kenshi]

This is just beyond belief. Some birthday present this is... Sensei, I hope you'll at least come visit every once in a while. It's almost as if the site is being replaced by another one. I have much respect for you and think of you as a true sensei. Good luck to you and LinuxGirl on your lives.

[Boris]

Oh man, that sucks! Still, Sensei, thank you for everything you've done, not only for us LNO'ers but for the Linux community worldwide. I'll drink one for you and Linuxgirl tonight! In fact, I may drink several! :D

I hope nothing happens to the site....anyone know of a good backup plan/site? :(

[drakster]

okay, if this is a joke, it t'aint funny...

seriously though, good luck and God bless, sensei... hope you get as much outta life as we've gotten outta LNO.

:)

[JBrian]

Good luck Sensei, from another who would have been lost without this BB...
~Jeff

[speddling]

WTF..... :mad:

......W. T. F!!!!!!!!!!

[pbharris]

i saw at f*ckedcompany.com last week internet.com was going to be cutting heads...

this sucks. plain old f*cking sucks.

sensei, i case ya can't tell you will be missed.

also posted in the off topic area...

[berb]

bye Sensei, your irreplaceable leadership will be missed. Congratulations on a good run !

Be this a lesson to us all, never trust the man !!

ps - in 2-5 days, I'm going 100% slack (current !) all because of this site !!

[Strike]

Wow, I go away for a few hours to work out and then I come back to this? Man... what to say?

Well, Sensei, you've been a great pal (a cyber-pal, I guess, having never really met you :)), and I hope that whatever you are going to do now treats you well. If it doesn't, well call on us here and we'll come lay the smack down.

Seriously though, I think we're all really grateful for what you've started and what you've done for all of us by giving us this place to come together. I know I would probably not be where I am with Linux now if it weren't for the help I've received here over the year and a half I've been here. Hopefully the site will continue to flourish, but without you behind the wheel it's hard to say.

Do keep in touch with us every once in a while, will ya?

[RTFM]

okay, what happened to FoBoT and Strike being HAL's? Now they just show up as grasshoppers!!

:eek:

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by tminos:
<STRONG>okay, what happened to FoBoT and Strike being HAL's? Now they just show up as grasshoppers!!

:eek:</STRONG>

it only shows HAL in forums that we are HAL's for, sensei is/was the only mod for LNO Talkback, so we show regular here

[X_console]

Originally posted by tminos:
<STRONG>okay, what happened to FoBoT and Strike being HAL's? Now they just show up as grasshoppers!!

:eek:</STRONG>

We lose our powers when sad times arrive (such as Sensei leaving).
:(

[vvx]

Yeah! Okay, who's brought the booze! PARTY! .. Umm, I meant a going away party? :confused: Yeah, that's it.... See what happens when you sellout! If you had never sold to internet.com in the first place.. You never woulda got paid a year for doing what you did tho, anyway the best of luck to you and whatever you do.

[Fireman-x]

Okay, so who wants to start the next Gen LNO? I don't know about you guys, but the whole not knowing how he got fired doesn't ring too true with the general ideals of Linux...maybe it's time for some of us to get together and start a NEW LNO, free from corporate pigs and the like...I realize this has been tried before, but I don't think we were in danger before...

What happens if the all-powerful internet.com (like the have a right to that name) gods decide that the LNO forums are no longer worth their money? Anybody else agree with me on this? I was about a 2 months away from starting and enterprise Linux site with njcajun awhile ago but apparently that fell apart.

Anywho, I've got a hankerin to do some designin, and I thinks it's time that the LNOers took charge of their own destinies and started something that WE control, not some cold-blooded bastard of a company. What do you guys think?

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: Fireman-x ]

[FallNAngel]

well, I don't know of any other sites like this (this is, IMO, the best linux site out there), but there is always #linuxhelp on irc.xchat.org for help. It's just not the same as LNO though...

[Whipping Boy]

We'll all miss you, Sensei. Won't be the same.

Of course, I have a feeling that if you stick around the boards you'll remain the de facto leader of LNO and we'll all just ignore as much as possible whoever else comes along.

[vvx]

So Sensei, you gunna stop by the official LNO channels on irc (#lno on irc.openprojects.net) and give all us hardcore fans on irc (Okay it's just me for now..) a real chance to beat on you?

[Sensei]

No because I need to find a new job :)

[Coral Sea]

Best wishes. Finally found a job that pays?

[Inctoan]

Originally posted by FallNAngel:
<STRONG>well, I don't know of any other sites like this </STRONG>

I know of one http://www.linuxquestions.org although not a populated as LNO... Back to topic
Although I don't post much, mostly just lurk, I stumbled on this site back when I first tried Linux (Linux Mandrake 6.5 whatever year that was)and it was a beautiful thing when I saw the NHF on how to set up my Soundblaster Live. So Sensei, it's sad to see you go and I hope whatever your next endeavor is I hope you have as much success as you did with LNO.

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: Inctoan ]

[vvx]

Originally posted by Sensei:
<STRONG>No because I need to find a new job :)</STRONG>

We spend all this time on your board making it what it is and you won't even let us beat on you on IRC for a few minutes!? oh comon, you can multitask! :) Besides, we got Bradmont and Mandreko there too now.

Oh, and if any other LNO'ers wanna join (with or without Sensei...) that don't have IRC figured out, there's a link on the bottom of the front page labeled "chat" which will take you to a java chat proggie that'll get you onto this channel on IRC.

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: vvx ]

[Bradmont2]

:)

[LiNuts]

Sorry to see you are leaving (even if it is involuntary) :eek:

I could not have survived Linux, without the LNO. I only hope most of the people will stay with the site.

Good luck on your new ventures, and dont forget to come and visit. :D
Cheers
LiNuts

[LiNuts]

Sorry to see you are leaving (even if it is involuntary) :eek:

I could not have survived Linux, without the LNO. I only hope most of the people will stay with the site.

Good luck on your new ventures, and dont forget to come and visit. :D
Cheers
LiNuts

[Harvey]

Well that sucks. :eek:

I'll still be here guys. Don't worry.

[Joshie the CK]

Nooo! It can't beeeee!!!
Linuxnewbie.org has helped me, and countless other people, enjoy the world of linux!
Even *if* it does stay around, it won't be the same without sensei!

Thanks sensei, for everything you've done for LNO. It's the best linux newbie/help site that I've ever been to...
I guess It's time to start saving those NHF's to a local disk eh? ::sighs::
A sad, sad day...

[kuber]

Sensei,
I would like to sincerely thank you for creating this great place. I probably never would have gone through with switching to linux if it weren't for the volunteers here who help so many newbies become Linux users.
I personally look at computers in a whole new light-in terms of freedom. I wish you well in whatever you are going on to.

Kuber

[Belatucadros]

Sensei....thanks.
This place is amazing...no matter how much a n00b I was the people here continued helping, although sometimes no one can resist a little sarcasm eh? ;)

Without this I wouldn't have been able to show up my windows using friends ;)

Sensei...you are the man :cool: :D :cool:

[manual_overide]

:eek:

Wow. This is a shock. Real life can suck. Well, good luck in whatever you find to do. If you don't find a job soon, let me know and I'll send you some arby's roasted beast samiches so you don't go hungry. (With a 1:1 ratio of sauces of course!)

All our base are belong to internet.com :(

[jbstew32]

I always thought that internet.com was just hosting your site :confused:
So what, do u work for them??

From what i have seen internet.com seems like a bunch of jerks...remember that whole thing with linuxgirl, wtf was that about ?

Anyway, it's sad to see yah go man :(

[Travis Shofner]

Can we say linuxsensei.com ?

I'm kinda curious to find out exactly what we would need to run a site of the caliber of LNO.

What type of servers would we need? Processor speed? I'm guessing we'd wanna run FreeBSD? Let's find out some more.

Sensei-Will we ever find out what's going on? I'd like to know some details, I know most of us would really. Although, I do wish you a lot of success at wherever you go. Just don't go tech support...you're above it! :)

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: Travis Shofner ]

[JasonC]

I can't help thinking that this is because I didn't post enough. Maybe if I was like Strike or FoBot or even 11000 that this could have been avoided. I'm sorry everyone.

Sensei - Have a few cold ones for us and good luck.

[toddhd]

Sorry it didn't work out Sensei. I really enjoyed talking with you, both on and offline. You were a real pal (considering I don't even know you). :)

But you know that everyone on this board would follow you where-ever you went, if you do indeed choose to open a site of your own. You could finally have the freedom to use the mySQL backend and PHP product you so desired. You should register www.LinuxSensei.com (http://www.LinuxSensei.com) quickly...

My very best to you and LinuxGirl! I'll be starting my "dotcom" soon by the way... wanna work for me? :)

Take it easy, and never, ever, use an OS that requires you to "activate" it.

-Todd Davis

[siqe]

:(

[twofoolish2b]

I think Bill G and Microsoft had something to do with this. Oh well as R.E.M said "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine."

[siqe]

Originally posted by Sensei:
<STRONG>I just want to make it clear ..... and I was not given any information on the future of LNO.</STRONG>

hmmm maybe people need to start rounding up their LNO-friends' contact info before LNO dissappears into the ether.
:confused:

[fancypiper]

May you always have what you want, or even better, may you always want what you have.

Good luck in your job search. I would have thought that you would be recruited away from LNO rather than getting the old pink slip. :rolleyes:

[mongrel]

Be water Sensei, be water! :(

[phlunkie]

Thank you for starting this site. From the feeling I get, it is time to make a personal archive of the NHF's.
By the way, GO GATORS!

[Bills_a_bub]

&lt;deep bow from waist&gt;
Arigato gozaima****a Sensie-san. Guddorakku.
&lt;/deep bow from waist&gt;

[njcajun]

I guess I better put my denial aside and say goodbye then.

It's really upsetting. I've been here since forever ago it seems, and Sensei was there all the while. I've had opportunity to correspond with him off the site, and he's been nothing but encouraging - true to the mission of the site at all times. The guy is a gem.

When I came here, I was lost. I had been aimlessly hacking around with Linux for 6 months, and this place dramatically improved my learning curve. Now, I'm a Linux/UNIX Systems Engineer and a 'posthumusly published' writer about Linux related 'stuff'. I would not have been able to do so much in such a short period of time without his efforts toward running this site both fairly and flawlessly.

I don't know the circumstances surrounding his leaving, but I hope that the result is that another door, previously unseen, has opened to bring you even bigger and better challenges.

...And I hope you make lotsa $$$$ doin' it, too! :)

Sad to see you go.
--Brian 'njcajun' Jones.

[Lorithar]

*blinks*

That'll wipe out my grins for a bit.

Sayonara ...

All the best to you and your other half ... Hopefully the day will come when I can put a face to the alias ...

(I think I could use a decent HP/UX admin at work .... *chortle* ... )

[Darkseid]

I trust, Sensei, that you will keep us up to date in your future endevors??

[PostCode]

This is the same crap internet.com pulled over at Hardware Central. God I hate that company. Best of luck.

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: PostCode ]

[slayer17]

Damm you Dam you to hell, You raise me from a newbie to a know-it-all, an know this. What the hell am I suppose to do now? I first joined linuxnewbie as a oracle recruiter, I am now a Unix sysadmin with a dual-display enlightenment wm linux box and a personel SGI os to play with. Where do I go from here? What will we do with out you? How will I make it , who will i yell at about religion gun control and those worthless liberal democraps? Oh well, I quess that I am all grown up now. I quess that my next step is into the relm of literacy. Maybe I will learn to type and spell at the same time.

Lots of huggs and kisses to you and your wife,

Goodluck in the furture.

slayer17 :)

[TheBouleOfFools]

I... I feel lost. I feel like the world has come to and end and there really is no tommoro. Damn internet.com! Damn them for taking away our loved ones. Who do they think they are? Just walk into our lives and take take take but never give :(

[Paul Weaver]

:eek: :confused: :eek:

:(

Good luck and all that smeg. cya arround

[bdg1983]

I can't explain it, but this announcement has moved me to the point of tears. Over the past year and a half, this site and its community have meant an incredible amount to me. Though I ventured out to other sites and bulletin boards, this is the only one I've come back too. The people and atmosphere here are amazing. To me, LNO has been a home, a place to go in boredom, frustration, sadness, and happiness. I've shared good times and bad with the people here, and I feel like something important will be lost with Sensei's departure.

I can't say I didn't see it coming. When LinuxGirl left, I knew things were on the way out.

Come to think of it, the above is a pretty good reason for being moved to tears. This place has been a place of warmth, security, learning, and growth, but like all good things, this too must come to an end.

Goodbye, Sensei, and Godspeed. I wish you well in the rest of your life.

[Apostata]

Best of luck, Sensei. If you've achieved one thing with linuxnewbie.org, it has been to create an atmosphere for newbies (especially from Windows) that is helpful, friendly, and most importantly, encouraging.

Cheers.

[zippohippo]

If you guys are looking for a newbie-friendly Linux Web site, (in light of LNO's cloudy future) try Linux Orbit (http://www.linuxorbit.com). It's a desktop site, mostly KDE, Gnome & the rest, but quite newbie-centric.

Oh, well... my $0.02

[Unruly]

&lt;formal bow&gt; Good bye Sensei. You will be greatly missed, that I am sure of. As it must be, we the linux newbies must master our world ourselves and move on, and teach newbies of our own.

You have my upmost respect, and I hope your real life is as good as it sounds. I may see you one day, as my plans seem fixed around florida lately. As they say in disneyland.. it's a small, small world.

I have no doubt that this site will continue it's course relativly unscathed, but you know how these things change... it will never be quite the same. We are linux users though, and are resilant. If this site dissapears, then another will grow from it's ashes.


...


Farewell, Sensei, thank you, thank you so much for all you have given.

[wtsamatta]

....and I just got here. Wish you luck!


May the Penguin follow you everywhere.

[reinerm]

Before sensei@LNO will be cutoff soon, I would like to say Good luck on everything you want to do to your self and to your family!! And before this site will also be cutoff (I hope not!) I want to say something even if nobody is interested on this, but you know when I start using linux I've ask for help on some of linux forums and linux irc channels but they're not as helpful as this community has, maybe Im just asking a very basic questions that those 3ll!73, linux guru would'nt mind or maybe it will just waste their time if they'll answer my question. But this site is very helpful it does'nt matter on the level of the question from the very basic to advance, this community will hand-in-hand in sharing their opinions. Hope this community and this kind of community will continue forever.

Sensei thank you very much for having this virtual community.


reiner


sorry english is'nt my native language...

[nuisance]

Thanks, Sensei. Best of Luck.

[bdg1983]

Argh...I feel like I am going to cry.

All the best to you, Sensei.

[Stackrat]

Damn this sucks.
Sensei, I am deeply saddened by your and our loss. Your absence will be felt by all of us.

You have done one hell of a job with LNO and I'm sure you will easily land on your feet. I commend you for the work you have done in bringing your vision to fruition. This was surely no trivial effort and I hope the LNO community can hold together in your absence.

Good luck and may God be with you.

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: Stackrat ]

[S0larfluX]

Sensei,

thanks for all the help and the best of luck to ya... Even though I am a BSD aficionado now, learning Linux with your site helped me to evolve and even get a better job.

I have this funny feeling LNO will either be:

(1) Dissolved
(2) Renamed
(3) Totally revamped

I know sometimes I gave ya a hard time about stuff needing to be updated and changed, but that being said... There's no reason why you can't start another Linux site!

Enjoy your vacation, you've earned it.

Hasta la vista...

[Tyr-7BE]

Well I haven't been here nearly as long as most people, but I've grown to love it. Sensei you did an amazing job...better than any of us could ever have done. I thought I'd never see the day...

Good luck, and have fun on that honeymoon! ;) You'll be sorely missed.

[XxMaCaBrExX]

All I can say is NO! I won't have this. I've ben posting here, talking here, helping others, being helped by others, and I owe everything I am to Sensei. This is all because of you Sensei. This just isn't LNO without you. I really could care less about some money hungry corporate .COM *******S! They are not in it for the love of the game. They are not in it for the people. We are talking about people here. Not numbers, nut fscking dollar signs. In a few months this group of scum-sucking corporate's will have their slimey banners everywhere, and who knows how long before they go under with the rest of the failure .COM's. Sooner or later, money runs out. And seeming as that is all that these corporates care about, things will never be the same. So I guess this isn't just Sensei's farewell, but I will also be stepping down from my part in this whole scheme. I have no more need to come here now. I would like to wish those of you that I have grown close to a happy life, and easy installations. ;) This is no place for LinuxNewbie's without the Sensei. Hope you all survive out there. Goodbye. :(

[ 21 May 2001: Message edited by: XxMaCaBrExX ]

[binary_boy]

Good luck Sensei. Sorry to see you go. This is my favorite site on the net.

I don't think these dot com types "get" Linux. First, they dump Patrick Volkerding and Slackware, now this. They obviously don't know what they have here with LNO.

:confused:

[WilliamWallace]

im terribly sad to see you go, i started my linux lifestyle with this site, and with all of the members which shared in my experiences...thank you sensei..i have learned more from your teachings than from any other. you have always been honest and fair...even with stiles during the election, which i will admit was tough....but thats what made lno great...its one of the last places on the net where people can have discussions about a variety of topics and not be put down for they're opinions....you will be missed...

can we get a group hug? ;)

[FroggySwamp]

Sensei,

I want to thank you for all you and your site have done. I can remember the days of Redhat 6.1 on my old pentium 200, fighting it out, and searching the forums here for the answers (which I found, thank you all). LNO has also been a site that has helped me get my job I've had for a year now with a webhosting company, and has helped me to help others out as well (mandrakeexpert.com).

Again, thank you so much for all the help and assistance, and thanks also to all that have posted such useful advice over the last year and a half. I really mean that.

FroggySwamp
aka
matthew@needa.com

[redline]

&lt;Bow and salute&gt;Good luck.&lt;/bow and salute&gt;

Please post....you will be greatly missed.

redline

:(

[sans-hubris]

How did this happen so quickly without me knowing? I feel robbed.

LNO has always been associated with Sensei (and LinuxGirl until she was forced out). It's hard to imagine it any other way. I can't imagine what LNO is like without Sensei. I don't want whoever that takes over your position to take the name Sensei. It wouldn't feel right. This site seemed to echo the type of person you are, always willing to help. You had given us our freedom when posting. In my mind, you had ranked higher than Linus himself because you had a personality we could see, where as Linux was just a distant figure that created something we all enjoyed. If there were anything we could do to keep you here, I would jump at it without a second thought.

I'll feel better if you help us keep up with you as to what you will be doing.

[ifred]

Don't let the bastards get you down. :mad:

[slapNUT]

OK personally I am reading all these posts, and I would suspect Sensei is too. So knock off the crap "Oh Sensei we will miss you so much... hey everyone come on over to linuxnewbie.lookalike.org!" You jerks are -&gt;lame&lt;-

As far as I'm concerned "This is the house that Sensei built!" Unless Sensei tells me outright or via one of his trusted moderators that the the new management is scum and not to be trusted, then I will stick around to make visitors to Sensei's house feel welcome.

You da MAN Sensei! But Al Gore still sucks!

[MkIII_Supra]

Well Sensei, hate to see you go but as we say in the Navy, Fair Winds and Following Seas Shipmate.

I have one last request if you would please indulge me. I most likely will not make HAL any time soon so I was wondering if at all possible before you offcially clock out if you could grant me Sr. Grasshopper Status. It's a small request that if denied I would understand.

Anyhow, make yourself known and keep up posted on your status. And when are you and the missus gonna have a little Sensei?

Take care Bro'

[ASCI Blue]

It'll be absoultly horrid if LNO get's disolved! This site has helped me a LOT to throw off the noose of Microsoft and enter the Linux world. It's sad to see you go Sensei-san! Don't let the miserable hosts get you down and best of skill getting a new job..maybe you could get something doing web admin. :D

[Kadesh]

Sensei, your site has helped me more than I can ever express. I was so interested in Linux but had no idea of what I was getting into. Your generosity in creating this site for people like me made learning Linux so much easier. LNO would never have been possible if it were not for you. Thank you so much for your dedication and hard work. Good luck with finding a job and I hope you and LinuxGirl have a long, happy life.

[compunuts]

I'm in no position to start a new BBS which is the new generation LNO but I will definitely be there working hard if any of our LNOers will create the kind of community touch that make the LNO great. I'd not even survive the Linux if I hadn't have the help of LNOers and NHFs.... So yeah.. so long Sensei and just let us know where you are and we will be there.......

That's freaking sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Pierre Lambion]

Thank you sensei for this community. I love it even better than Linux.

Good luck and see you soon on this board ...

Pierre

[bdg1983]

Thanks Sensei !

Even though that iam not long hanging out on this board i have already got a lot of help from the people on here !
Iam really grateful that this board helped me in continuing with Linux . Everytime i didnt know any further somebody here did know the answer .

Thanx Sensei - thanx to everyone !
I wish you all the luck - and enjoy your honeymoon !


David

[camelrider]

Remember when "TiredMnInNeedOf Sleep" alias "tminos" first showed up? If you can measure the accomplishments of the site by a single guy, this one brings tears to my eyes.

Thanks for bringing this site into being. I've got a bunch of books, but I've learned more from lurking, searching, and occasionally asking questions here than I could have understood from my late night reading.

Also, when I've been able to contribute a reply, it has often been by finally being able to relate a real-world situation to something I have read in those books, so I'm learning either way.

Best wishes to you both and I hope you have a mild Hurricane season. (I remember those pics)

Love,
Tom

[ 22 May 2001: Message edited by: camelrider ]

[fluds1]

All the best for the future, best site I visit (content and people). Have a great honeymoon ;)

[Shawn]

Wow, what a shocker :eek: . No matter what happens to this site in the future, just remember you made a huge contribution to the Linux community and we all thank you for that. Good luck in future endeavors Sensei.

[cmndr keen]

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Err, I mean thanks (guess it's not REALLY the end of the world, but still)!

If this thread is going to be used as a petition, my signature is located below. ;-)

[bdg1983]

:eek: Real life can suck sometimes.

I can't say enough thank you Sensei for this site. I had been using and loving Linux for some time before seeing this site, but LNO made me love Linux even more and made me learn a whole bunch of new things about Linux. You don't even believe what kind of astronomical phone bills (yes, crappy dial-up connection) I started getting after coming to LNO.

Sensei, I'll miss you. Best of luck for you, whatever you start doing after this!
:( :( :( :(

[bogomip]

Wow. I just started surfing this site again after about a year. Do you get to keep your screen name?

I won an LNO tshirt last year. Maybe now I can auction it off on ebay for big $$$. Kidding!

Maybe I should drink my coffee before posting... :o

[TheBouleOfFools]

BogoMIP :eek: I didn't know some people had the same genius as me :p Bogo is mah name for anything I don't use TBOF for.

[quasimojo]

I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the hard work you and the other regular posters put into this site!!!

You can take solace in the fact that you helped bolster a great movement, and that your hard work has made the linux OS accessible to so many disenfranchised winblows users!!!

I wish you luck and great success in your future endeavors. Good fortune will be a given for you and linuxgirl.

Ave atque et fortuno bonus frater!!!!

[ssadams]

I can't say I am really shocked, as I feared this day would come
when you announced that you were selling LNO. I wont repeat what has been said already as it goes without say, but I would like to comment on why I think this site is great. Just over two years ago, Sensei, you started this site with a goal in mind.
It was an idea to present Linux to new users in a friendly and understandable way and to help them with problems in a non-judgmental fashion. As the community grew, that piece of yourself that you imparted to this site, carried into the new members, to make this site a fun place where people could come and have questions answered, without being intimidated by more experienced users. Add to that, great NHF's, interesting articles, "Sensei's Log", and some very heated and interesting discussions in the forums, makes this place what it is and why we all love it.
Good lick and all the best.

Scott

[Siskmarek]

Wow. What a news item to stumble in on!

You'll be missed, but take comfort in the fact that LNO will go on, and you will be forever remembered in history. Not bad, eh?

Say hello to yer wife for me! I hope she realizes what a special guy she's got with her right now. :D

~ Siskie

[FORTRAN gy]

Best of luck to you and Linuxgirl. If LNO survives, you will always have that to be proud of. If not, sucks for all of us. Thanks for all you've done.

[mrBen]

You are an inspiration ;) and the site will be a poorer place without you. Or something. I know that it has given me many hours of fun and help.

Good luck dude

[mjb0314]

What a sad, sad day :(

Best of luck to you and LinuxGirl and thanks for creating this great site!

[possumpuss]

/me bows
thank you for the gift of this wonderful site
i guess i will have to continue my training without you

[keating305]

Arigato gozaimus, Sensi-san :(

[YaRness]

Damn, hadn't even thought of that.

Oss, oni gashi mas.

[ 22 May 2001: Message edited by: YaRness ]

[Lovechild]

This is indeed a sad day.
About a year ago I when I first started to use Linux I was referred to this site by a friend. I feel that, thanks to your great work and the community that surrounds it, I have have come a LONG way with this OS.
Sensei, I never spoke to you personally, but as many LNO users I realised what an amount of work you have put into this site.
Today LNO has lost its mystic - today is a sad day.


May you live in interesting times, Sensei.

[ep0k]

:(
This is a sad day for the Linux Community.
:(
Sensei, you are a good man and will be sorely missed. You have done a great thing with Linuxnewbie.org and I can't think of a way that this site sould be the same without you. (It's still not the same since Linuxgirl left).
:(
I can only hope that whatever you get yourself into in your next endeavor, that it will make you happy.

:(
This is a sad, sad day.

:(

[hip]

well good luck to you sensei, i have been going here for a long time and although not making much contributions i have selfishly taken much from this this site and its community :D

but i do have something which i really would like to know .. is who owns this site now?? and who pays for it?? and who will be in charge?? making all the decisions, i personally want this site to go on and keep it doing what you intended it to do, and helping out the newbies in the linux community ...
thank you

[schof]

This site helped me get started on Linux. Now the sysadmins come to me for Linux help! Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication building this great experience.

Thanks also to the patient and skillful contributors who helped me along the way.

- schof

[element-x]

Welp, no idea really what to say..but, now that you've got some time off, I guess we'll actually be seeing that army of mini-sensei's. (some odd reason I'm picturing thousands of little blue smurfs that know karate)

Anyways good luck, hope to see you around.

[hambleto]

As everyone is saying. Good Luck and God speed. Thank you for all the help you have provided. Best wishes!!

[anti_seen]

Who owns the rights to LNO? Why couldn't this site (or a new very similar site) have be run using a pay-pal system like penny-arcade? There are aparently plenty of loyal LNO members. Well best of luck to you and your family in whatever you do Sensei.

[ 22 May 2001: Message edited by: anti_seen ]

[Col. Panic]

Darn it, three and a half pages later and the punchline I was hoping for never came. :(

14 months ago I got fed up with Windows when it crashed 4 times in half an hour. I downloaded Corel (of all things) and stumbled in here looking for help getting it to recognize my network card. In addition to learning that you have to turn off Plug-N-Play, everything I have learned about Linux (and a huge portion of what I've learned about computers in general) has been a direct result of this site.

Of course, the community and the people that come here are a gigantic part of this place, but Sensei, you made it a place where the people wanted to come and the community had a chance to develop. Thank you for the gift and blessing this site has been, and best of luck in your future pursuits.

(And [i]if[/] you ever start a new site, I think linuxdojo.com would be a good name. :D)

[thescribe7]

Wait Shane come back!!!
Please join me in wishing Sensei (Jason) and Linuxgirl well in thier new life and future endevors.
If not for you sensei and the others here @ LNO I would have been lost in a sea of confusion long ago, in my quest towards enlightenment in the ways of the linux blossum.
However now my confidence is starting to grow and I am learning more each day as I use Linux.
Many of us, Sensei would never have come to know the peace, and solitude, and oneness of the Linux Blossum if not for your hard work.
Anyway Linux is beyond way cool and you helped bring t to the masses, and make it atainable to the common man and woman.

Thank You,
Don (thescribe7)
Domo Arigato Sensei san!
Wa Kadi Linux
Wa Tashi Wa (Grateful?)

:eek: :confused: :mad: :( :) :D

[Butros]

This is, in all honesty, truly sad. I actually am emotional about this. This is one of the saddest internet-related moments ever.

I've been with this site for a long time, and I admit I left and lost hope when it started to grow large and loose some of the feel of the "old days." But I was always there, just browsing silently but I never left completely. I don't think I can. It's like a part of me now.

I don't like the whole internet.com thing... I didn't like it when it first happened. I do wish you two the best in life, and I owe you a large amount of thanks.

I may not have always been the most vocal or present member, but I've always been here... and always will. I would like to be kept abreast (if possible) if there are going to be any closings or transfers of the site. I do own my own business and am very comfortable with running large sites and the rest of the baggage that comes along with it... if it ever were to come to a full closing I would seriously consider buying/continuing this great site.
(I know it will probably be consumed by internet.com, but if/when the day comes they toss it aside, I would be more than willing to pick it up and dust it off.)

Again, thank you, and as I wipe a tear away... have to say goodbye.

[rusty97]

Thank you for all your help! This site has helped me in too many ways to count :)

Best of luck in where ever life takes you next.

[Greg]

Sensei gets pushed out.

Sensei gets pushed out!?!?!!?!!!


I am outta here, and have already deleted LNO from my bookmark file. Will miss it.null

[Sensei]

Thanks everyone....LNO will continue I wouldn't worry so much about that one.

[coltrane the linux server]

I'll drink to the fact that you're drinking. Now who's going to be the next Sensei again? And do we actually refer to the new Sensei as Sensei?

[Gehenna_Gehenna]

Senei, linux girl
no more to help when i
find Kernal panic

dear internet dot com
your hiring pactices suck
may your windows crash

Sensei, linux girl
enjoy your honeymoon
we will miss you much

My mandrake 8 box
weeps like the willow in spring
'cause I got no skillz

i will fight the power
free software is the future
props to the homiez

word.


Good Luck, and thanks!

[bdl]

I've gotta say I'm really sorry to see ya go Sensei, and thanks for all that is LNO. I sincerely wish you the best in your endeavors, and hope we can all keep going in the same direction. Take care.

[Coral Sea]

Sensei, like everyone else, I feel really bad about how things unfolded. But, as evidenced by all these posts, internet.com's loss will be someone else's gain (and then some). You have a terrific job reference -- this BBS.

I doubt that someone with your talents will be unoccupied for very long; probably depends more on what you want to do than anything else.

Maybe Bill got tired of all the M$ bad-mouthing that takes place here and bought off your boss. Oh well, what goes around....

[trekker]

SHUCKS!! :(

I just came back from a 4-day snorkelling trip and this happened?! :eek:

This is so shocking!!

Will really miss you Sensei!!

[tnordloh]

The problem is this; the internet is too traceable. The only problem is that advertisers think ads are useless when they have all this click-through counting stuff, and log software and such. They want us to buy something every time we click-through, or they feel like they are wasting their ad money. Unfortunately, most of us (or maybe just me) don't shop like that; we see something we like, come back to the site again a few days later, maybe look at it again from work, maybe go home and talk to the wife about it, and buy it two weeks later. And since we know the site by then, and visit it by typing in a url, nobody gets credit for a click-through purchase. This is despite having found a site through originally seeing it on a banner.

[bdg1983]

I've been extremely busy the last couple of days and haven't had a chance to visit here. This is quite a shock to wakeup to this early in the morning.

All the best to you Sensei and your wife. Hope the future has great plans for you.

Thank-you for all you have done for the Linux community. Without LNO, I would have been lost in a sea of Microsoft.

With appreciation
Michael Watts

[EscapeCharacter]

why dont we all throw in a couple pennies and get sensei.net(.com is already taken :()

[Molecule Man]

:eek:
Wow you leave for a couple of days and come back to this.

[Linuxman]

later.....

[DarkLordOfPasta]

have a good time bro. this page helped my sorry buns out IMMENSELY. you will be sorely missed.

*bows honowabwy*

we will still be here to raise hell while you are gone. have a good time with your gal dude...that is what is most important.

DOMO...ARIGATO...

:cool:

[MikeV]

Wow. I guess I'm not sure what to say. I've been away from Linux (well, computing in general) for awhile now. Call it a self imposed hiatus, if you like. But, upon returning, I find out that Sensei is gone? That's horrible news. I'm not sure what happened, and I can't seem to get any details from anybody on IRC, either. BTW Sensei, me and VVX are finally (un)Official #LNO irc chat monitors! We even have ops!!! :)

Honestly... I really feel bad about this. It seems rather strange to be emotional over an internet presence (or the removal of one) but, this is different. LNO is what STARTED me on Linux, as well as many other things. Since coming here, I have become the moderator of a linux forum @ www.helponthe.net (http://www.helponthe.net) which is just like LNO was WAY back when. Anyways, I almost feel a closer bond to Sensei, vvx, Alphageek, Sweede, tminos, and the like due to the realtime interaction w/ IRC. It's like losing a friend. I have too many fond memories of chatting with everyone, inc. Sensei...

You will be sorely missed, Jason. Best to you and the better 1/2. Hope that you will check in from time to time, or feel free to shoot me an email to say hi!

Best regards, my friend.

-Mike

[guitarlyn]

This site has setup a good place for Linux
users of various experience to expand their
knowledge without the hostility and downtalk
that other sites are well known for.

I have personally gathered a great deal of
knowledge and extend my regrets to Sensei
for whatever has caused this.

Simply put,
Thanks. May your future endevors be fruitful.

~Guitarlynn

[Feid]

I've been comming to LNO for about a year now... a friend reccomended it to me then, we were both getting into linux... It's been a great site, always there with answers, if not in an NHF then on the boards here... The site will never be the same... You'll be missed greatly.
:rolleyes: :(

[KevinReichard]

Hi --

There's been some speculation re: LNO -- mostly bad speculation -- and how internet.com plans on running the site. Since I'm the executive editor in charge of the site, I thought I'd put an end to the speculation.

First off, let me assure you that we are not looking at any changes to LNO. The site isn't going away, the BBS isn't going away, and the NHFs aren't going away. I'll be in contact shortly with the BBS moderators about continuing their work. In addition, I asked Jason to continue on as a participant in the BBS, and he declined.

Secondly, we recognize what a vital group of people encompasses the LNO audience, and we have no intention of changing the site. It may take a few days for us to get up to speed, as Sensei is a hard act to follow.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to address them to me directly at kreichard@internet.com.

--Kevin Reichard
Executive Editor, Linux/Open Source Channel
internet.com
kreichard@internet.com

[LinuxGirl]

Originally posted by KevinReichard:
<STRONG>
In addition, I asked Jason to continue on as a participant in the BBS, and he declined.
</STRONG>

Oh yes, and everyone should be willing to do their job for free after they are fired! :confused:

Give me a break! Sensei needs to put bread on our table... :p

[FoBoT]

you go girl! :)

:cool: LinuxGirl :cool:

[ 25 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

[MikeV]

Good to see you're still around and kickin Linuxgirl! It's been awhile!

[Bradmont2]

hrrms...

[Golden_Eternity]

LNO without Sensei? Is that even possible?!

[compunuts]

Originally posted by LinuxGirl:
<STRONG>Give me a break! Sensei needs to put bread on our table... :p</STRONG>
I completely agree with LinuxGirl on this. Nobody can work for free if it's their source of income. Let's be real here. Most of us here comes to this site when we have time. Sometime I can't get here in a week or so. And I have no commitment here also. But Sensei must be here to take care of things. This little quote comes to mind.


Gardener: I've planted the fruits tree and all are good and well....

LandOwner: Well... I know you love your plants Gardener but I'm afraid that I don't have anything to pay you for it even though I make money selling those fruits.

Gardener: Are you firing me as a gardener?

LandOwner: I'm afraid so. But since you love so much of your plants, why don't you come here everyday and look after your plants. You don't actually have to do any work though. Just come here, look what I need to do and tell me and I will get someone to take care of you. So that I can continue to sell the fruits from these trees.


I mean.. Come on... I'm even amazed that they have the guts to ask Jason to continue to support this board in volunteer basic.... :rolleyes: How do they sleep at night knowing this? :eek: Greedy bustards.. :mad:

I mean I love this board as much as the next guy does. But this BBS is built around community of helping each others under the leadership of Sensei.... Without many of us here on the BBS, we wouldn't be this way. So I have the confidence that where ever we go, there would be a community around us.... We can do this ourselves and we don't need Internet.com and a stinky name..... Whatever we choose another name, with the same help from many of us here and the leadership of Sensei, we can built a new community without much trouble.... We don't need a stinky domain name...

And if I were Jason and someone asked me to do the volunteer work for something I did as a paid job, I'd tell them to fsck themselves... :mad:

After reading the posts here and the article at Linuxplanet, I'd say..... FSCK YOU ..... :mad: :mad: :mad:

[WhiskeyBravo]

I remember when I used to frequent an automobile UBB called LS1.com. One day, the guy who made the website what it was, decided to leave. Well, a new guy came in saying "everythings going to be ok...nothing's goin to change...." very similiar to what I'm reading here. It then proceeded to go right down the crapper. Now, I, and almost all of the original members that made up the community, don't visit there anymore.

My take is this, you can't expect to fire the guy who made the website and community everything that it is, and expect there to be no backlash. The members of this site respect Sensei VERY much. I will not be surprised to see this site begin to degrade in the near future.

You just got rid of the heart-and-soul of this very community in the name of, I can only assume, the almighty dollar.

I can't wait to hear from the inevitable drone you replace Jason with to..oh, install UBB upgrades and lock the occasional controversial thread. I'm sure everyone will go on and get by.....but just remember that we reap what we sow Kevin.....

[Linuxman]

Originally posted by LinuxGirl:
...
Give me a break! Sensei needs to put bread on our table...

Don't take this the wrong way Mrs. Sensei, but relying on your man to be the breadwinner is not a smart way to go. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work? I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.

I think I've held back enough and now feel I must put in my two cents. First of all, I think internet.com was wrong in letting Jason go. Obviously, the young man is creative, compassionate and dedicated. I can't believe the idiots in charge let him go. I wish you well in your future endeavours, Sensei. I am certain you will come out on top, land on your two feet, and all those other metaphors that mean you will do OK.

Second, LNO is not just Sensei. LNO is a community. WE are LNO. Unless internet.com pulls the plug, LNO will continue to provide help for Linux newbies and evolve just as any other dominant species evolves. I think I've said enough.

possessky.

[FoBoT]

are you clueless linuxman??

they "let go" linuxgirl about 1-2 months ago!!!!

if you don't know the whole story , ,you are lookin like an @ss about know :mad:

don't be dissin :cool: linuxgirl :cool: or :D sensei :D

back off dude!!!

take it over to the rants forum and start a new thread!!! :mad:

[ 25 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

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[compunuts]

Originally posted by Linuxman:
<STRONG>More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work?</STRONG> More than 50% of the marriages ends because of the IDIOTS men.... If you must know, there weren't that many divorces when women don't work at all. My father's time, they are not as free as we are today and they are more loyal to their women than we are today and that's the fact....

I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.
Yeah?? After getting fired a few months before and you are lableing her that way??? What would your wife do if she got fired a few months before and you got fired?? She would gently say ""oh no problem... you can volunteer for your former employer and I will bring the bread to the table""?? Are you freaking out of your mind? What have you been smoking??? :mad:

I think I've held back enough and now feel I must put in my two cents.
Everybody is entitled to as many as they want.

I can't believe the idiots in charge let him go.
He didn't just let him go. He let him go and asked him to work for him FREE..... Volunteer for FREE.....

LNO is not just Sensei. LNO is a community.
A community without a leader is an Army without a commander......

Unless internet.com pulls the plug, LNO will continue to provide help for Linux newbies

Yeah at what cost??? They had already said... as long as there are people who wants to work for free, they are willing to keep the site (and its revernue generating ads) for now....

[PostCode]

Originally posted by KevinReichard:
<STRONG>Hi --

There's been some speculation re: LNO -- mostly bad speculation -- and how internet.com plans on running the site. Since I'm the executive editor in charge of the site, I thought I'd put an end to the speculation.

First off, let me assure you that we are not looking at any changes to LNO. The site isn't going away, the BBS isn't going away, and the NHFs aren't going away. I'll be in contact shortly with the BBS moderators about continuing their work. In addition, I asked Jason to continue on as a participant in the BBS, and he declined.

Secondly, we recognize what a vital group of people encompasses the LNO audience, and we have no intention of changing the site. It may take a few days for us to get up to speed, as Sensei is a hard act to follow.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to address them to me directly at kreichard@internet.com.

--Kevin Reichard
Executive Editor, Linux/Open Source Channel
internet.com
kreichard@internet.com</STRONG>

Man, you got guts. You fire the guy then you try to butter up to him by saying he's a hard act to follow. Hypocrite. But hey, your job is safe and sound. No need to worry about the guy who developed the site to begin with. Buy it out from under him, then throw him into the unemployment line.

Get a life man. You took away his creation and you expect him to continue on as a volunteer? Get real...
:mad:

[ 25 May 2001: Message edited by: PostCode ]

[Derango]

Look, All this arguing about whats going on, what has gone on and what will go on is basicly pointless.

Up front, just let me say that I'm as sorry to see Sensei go as the rest of you are, just so you won't get the wrong idea about what I'm posting. I don't like the way internet.com acted in the past week or so.

First of all, I'm taking a guess that nothing you could say to the people at internet.com would let sensei have is job back.

Second, all the speculation about how the evil internet.com employees will change the site and rip its heart out and all that may not be true. Actualy, if this is the way people are going to act from now on, I would say the heart has already been ripped out and the body is just flopping around.

Come on people! What happend has happened! Stop complaing about somthing that can't be changed, at least easily.

Ok...I said it, and now theres one more thing I need to do:
&lt;puts on flame retardent suit&gt;

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: Derango ]

[FoBoT]

hrmph, derango

so are you volunteering to take sensei's place?
you will get flamed very bad if you do
which is why sensei's old duties should be taken over by somebody that works for the company that owns the board

if any of the regulars were to volunteer, they would be ostracized by the rest and the split would still happen

i am not saying there is anything wrong with anybody answering newbie questions here, just that in this case, the heart is portable/transplantable, if you get my drift (http://www.linuxnewbieboard.org) ;)

[Derango]

&lt;sigh&gt; I was not volunteering to do anything.

I was just pointing out the pointlessness of arguing amoungst ourselves about whats going to happen and eventuly split the board through our arugments before anything we're talking about here actualy happens.

However, in hindsight, I probably should not have posted that...I prefer answering questions to getting into a debate. Ah well...whats done is done.

[joe43]

Sensei and linuxgirl, I wish you happiness, good health and the best of luck. You are truly unique individuals and will always succeed.


Thanks for all you have done,
Joe

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by Derango:
<STRONG>getting into a debate</STRONG>

sorry, i didn't mean to offend you, certainly, and i would prefer all this peripheral stuff not be in this thread, but I can't move stuff and i can't not respond to some of these comments/questions

if the mod of this forum could move all this extra, "not farewell to sensei" stuff that would be great! ;)

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

[Infested Flar]

Demn!! Huh!! :( what about LNO??? errrr!!!

-flar-

[Sensei]

As Cartman would say:
"I love you guys..."

I will say in defense of Linuxgirl her full potential was never realized at LNO. LNO with what I wanted to do with Linuxgirl could have been huge...

I don't think the full potential was ever realized from LNO yet. LNO still has the ability to be ALOT bigger, but alas...times are tougher now.

I'm still monitoring these Sensei/Jason is gone threads ;)

If some of you really feel your not being heard I suggest you contact someone instead or in conjunction to posting on this BBS. I'm not asking you to save me (i don't need saving :D), but if you feel like you're not being heard, by all means make em listen.

[LinuxGirl]

Originally posted by Linuxman:
Don't take this the wrong way Mrs. Sensei, but relying on your man to be the breadwinner is not a smart way to go. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work? I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.



And what would be the RIGHT way for me to take your uncalled for comments???


You don't know anything about what I do or how I contribute to my family's income, so kindly shut up!

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: LinuxGirl ]

[FoBoT]

woot!!

:cool: LinuxGirl :cool:
:D Sensei :D

they are alive!!

[vvx]

Hmm.. yummy.. pie.. Erm, anyway.. G'luck with that job 'n vacation stuff Sensei/Linuxgirl. Shouldn't you be off on some tropical beach sipping down some drink with one of those little umbrellas in it or something? :)

[Sweede]

originally posted by LinuxGirl
And what would be the RIGHT way for me to take your uncalled for comments???

You don't know anything about what I do or how I contribute to my family's income, so kindly shut up!

you go girl !
/me does the finger head move snap thingie.

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: LinuxGirl ]

[stiles]

Originally posted by compunuts:
<STRONG>More than 50% of the marriages ends because of the IDIOTS men.... </STRONG>

As you eluded to, this 4 fold rise in the devorce rate happened after the women's movement (60's). I'm not sure if your saing that the increase is because of idiot men, but that would be mostly unfounded (if it's devorce is the fault of both involved, then it would be half the men's fault, hell I don't know). The change is prob mostly because of a change in the attitudes and roles of the sexes. I do find it ironic that Linuxman is encouraging the women movement's independence and linking that to reducing the chance of divorce, a very odd viewpoint. Just for the record I'm all for anybody taking of themselves, but I do reconize that there are cost to changing roles in socity. Nuff about that...

Ever sence internet.com bought this site I wondered how long this arangement would last (Jason working as the administrator). I've been very apathetic about LNO sence the news of Sensei's depature, I just don't like the move. I some what suspect that internet.com wanted the administrator to also be a developer, which I think is somewhat of a short sighted view. I do know that most developers that I know don't have the people skills to administrate a public BBS of this size with the amount of diverse oppinions that abound. I've always had respect for Sensei cause of how he ran this place (regardless of what some have said about my view of Sensei in the past).

Good luck to your Sensei and Linux Girl, hopefully this will turn out to be an opportunity to move on to something better. I with you two the best.

John Stiles Herrington

[Feid]

I just e-mailed the CEO of internet.com... below is my message... I hope other people choose to e-mail too.
To Whom it May concern:

I am a visitor at linuxnewbie.org and have learned about the "involuntary" leaving of Jason "Sensei" Brietstein. I would like to inform internet.com that I do not agree with this move. I have seen posts at f----edcompany.com about recent financial trouble at internet.com "Rumor has it Internet.com just announced an "optional" work week, next week... the head of HR said the company's "excited" to offer employees the opportunity.
When: May 22 2001 04:02PM " "Rumor has it internet.com just dumped 50 employees. Anyone left?
When: May 17 2001 11:56AM".
I am sorry to hear of the financial troubles of the company, however, I feel that a site such as linuxnewbie.com does need fulltime attention from Jason, as he knows the site best. Jason also has a following at the site, a following that if the BBS is read shows that people will not be willing to volunteer, and several are willing to create a new site, just because internet.com has relieved Jason of his position. Also, many people are currently looking back and noticing that they still own the copyrights to much of the content of linuxnewbie.org they never gave up these copyrights, and many are starting to question if they should inform internet.com to remove their material from the site. I am sure that internet.com has thought this decision through and have chosen Jason carefully... I just thought that internet.com may be interested in what is being said... and I'm not sure if they are listening to what is being said so far... I strongly disagree with the decision made, and I hope internet.com realizes that this site is more of a community than most. Thank you for your time.
Jonathan French
I hope I didn't go too far... ;)

[MSD]

Wow!!
I wasn't expecting this!

LNO has been an inspiration.

Best of luck for the future Sensei and Linuxgirl and don't let the Bastards get ya down.

After seeing what you have achieved with LNO I think you will do well in whatever you choose to do next.

LNO will not be LNO without you.

May the wind be always at your back.

_Moss

[Piix4]

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Piix4]

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

[Coral Sea]

Hey Linuxman! It's probably not too late to say you're sorry. I think what happened is that you fell into the abyss of ignorance and landed mouth-first on both of your feet.

Carefully extract both feet (left one first, then the right one) so as not to break your dentures, then say:

"I'm very sorry for my misinformed, sexist comments. As a man of the new millennium, I ought to have known better than to echo the sentiments of men three generations ago who thought that a woman's place was in the home. I hope that I am forgiven."

By the way, women are now allowed to vote...(in Canada, anyway).

[Coral Sea]

Hey Linuxman! It's probably not too late to say you're sorry. I think what happened is that you fell into the abyss of ignorance and landed mouth-first on both of your feet.

Carefully extract both feet (left one first, then the right one) so as not to break your dentures, then say:

"I'm very sorry for my misinformed, sexist comments. As a man of the new millennium, I ought to have known better than to echo the sentiments of men three generations ago who thought that a woman's place was in the home. I hope that I am forgiven."

By the way, women are now allowed to vote...(in Canada, anyway).

[Coral Sea]

Test.

[jbstew32]

ok guys....we know what internet.com did was ****ty.....but its over. Screw that damn company. We dont need them...abandon this place already!
www.linuxnewbieboard.org (http://www.linuxnewbieboard.org)
--the new home....

[cyan]

Linux would have kicked my *** a long time ago without his site. Good luck.

[cyan]

Linux would have kicked my *** a long time ago without his site. Good luck.

[Linuxman]

:(

[FoBoT]

i wish this thread would get fixed :rolleyes:

[kazap]

I've been a lurker now for a couple of years, but without this forum the way it is I would not have my hobby. I got brave enough to do a fresh install of RH 7.1 and set up a firewall, web and mail server without help from my VMS-expert hubby ;)

What I'm getting to, is that most of the successes I've had configuring and understanding Linux have come from LNO, and I hope that Sensei's absence doesn't change the only place I felt comfortable as a newbie :)

Thanks!
karanull