Wal-mart Drake 7.2 ready or not???

[irlandes]

I have been waiting patiently for Mandrake 7.2, to re-install on the machine that I dinked up deliberately, to learn about mini-linux.

When I got back from Mexico, I saw Wal-mart in McAllen had 7.2, but someone on LNO stated that Mandrake shipped it before it was ready. If that is true, I sure don't want that! Does anyone have a strong opinion on 7.2 via Wal-mart or Sam's Club? Is it ready? Will there be more than one version of 7.2? How do I know?

Any knowledge will be appreciated. Thanks.

[Iceman]

Hi:
Whilst I can't recall all the details, what was shipped to Wal-Mart and Sam's was NOT the final release of 7.2. It was not a beta, but wasn't what was shipped a few weeks later to other retailers. The problem is...I don't believe there is a way to tell the difference from the box.

If you've used MDK before, I'd recommend you buy the CD's from Cheapbytes, as they seem to have the latest (outside of dloading from MDK.)

[demetrius]

I believe Iceman is correct ... the version shipped to those retailers was a pre-release version that doesn't include some newer versions of packages that are inthe final version. Biggest one is the inclusion of KDE version 1.99 rather than 2.0. However, all of the updates are available through the Mandrake Update utility that you can run after installation which will update the earlier release to the specs of the final as well as updating all of the other packages that have been updated since the release.

[eddiewowen]

I bought 7.2 from Wal-Mart and couldn't even get it to install! I thought it was just me but I previously installed 6.5 and 7.1 fine. I tried both clean installing and upgrading with no luck. I ended up installing Red Hat 7.0 with no problems but I kind of miss Mandrake in some ways.

[New-B]

Originally posted by irlandes:
[B]When I got back from Mexico[B]

Eres Mexicano/a?

Just wondering http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif



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[Strike]

Originally posted by New-B:
Eres Mexicano/a?

Just wondering http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

(first, a nit-pick, "Mexicano/a" shouldn't be capitalized http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif)
Second, if you live on the southern TX border, it's not an uncommon thing to dip down into Mexico. Harlingen and McAllen and some of those other towns down there are pretty close to the border, so it's worth it for "shopping trips" sometimes.

[veloctTX]

and btw, it would be: mejicano/a

[irlandes]

Originally posted by veloctTX:
and btw, it would be: mejicano/a

Nonsense. The j is how an educated person from Spain - or in the U.S, if you had a stupid Spanish teacher - would spell it. In Mexico, it is mexicano. If you spell it with a j, everyone will know what you mean, but in school in Mexico, they are taught not to use the j.

That j is an almost sure sign that the user is speaking Spanish as they do in Spain. For example, it's Don Quixote in Mexico, and Don Quijote in Spain, even though he was invented in Spain. Mexico fought a war to free themselves from Spain, just as the U.S. fought a war so we don't sound like Ted Kennedy.

Also, in Mexico, vosotros is not used, any more than we use thee and thou in the U.S. Yet, all over the U.S. stupid Spanish teachers tell their Mexican students that "the educated people in Mexico use vosotros."

By the way, for those who speak even less spanish than I do, vosotros is second person plural, known in Texas as y'all.

You should hear the Cubans and Mexicans argue about tortillas. In Spain and Cuba, a tortilla is an omlet of eggs, and it was this before Cortes went to Mexico, and in Mexico, it's a little corn cake that you all know.

My wife is Mexican, and we go there visiting family, about 4 months a year now that we are retired. Nov. 3rd when we were visiting family in rural Puebla, her aunt got paralyzed on her left side, and couldn't talk. We gave her aspirin, and before the doc got there, she wasnt' paralyzed, but couldn't talk until two days in the hospital. She recuperated fast, and when we left, she was home. We got to Texas, drove to Iowa, and the first night here, we found out she had died earlier that day. My wife was pretty upset, as you can imagine.


She also says you would capitalize mexicano if you refer to someone very famous or important, but it is not capitalized for ordinary folk. An A on that one.

My son just got dual nationality a couple months ago. Wish I was qualified. I love Mexico and especially the Mexican people. If you only know illiterate illegals, you don't know Mexicans at all.

I just got a note from a guy in Mexico City. I bought LinuxPPC for him in the spring and took it to him for his Mac, and he had great trouble getting it to work. He finally got it up, and runs Internet with it, on the server at UNAM. He just installed 'helixgnome' and said it runs the mp3 player super fast! He figures he will eventually get it working, but it sure has him puzzled now. Maybe I should post this for him when I get time.

He also commented Navigator blows up a lot. Seems like I've read that problem on LNO before!

My nephew is a faithful PRD hack (this party represents everything I am sworn to fight to the death, but he is family) who worked as a database operator. PRD won a delegacion in Mexico City, and he got a job as supervisor of 18 computer operators. He promptly hired all his female friends with knowledge of computers to work at those jobs. Yet, when I loaned him an old 486 to use as his office word processor, he couldn't figure out to use 'generic printer' to run an old Star printer. Go figure. The guy with the Mac is pretty good, though.

[armando86]

Irlandes is right Castillian spanish is different from Latinamerican spanish just as Australian english is different from American english. Also in spanish Mexico has an accent mark on the e.

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[veloctTX]

Well, I'm Puerto Rican (and not from NY either) and my spanish was castillian spanish and we learn vosotros and all that and I've always spelled Mejico and Don Quijote. My mother is from Spain and my father is from Puerto Rico so I guess I had that one coming.

[irlandes]

Originally posted by veloctTX:
Well, I'm Puerto Rican (and not from NY either) and my spanish was castillian spanish and we learn vosotros and all that and I've always spelled Mejico and Don Quijote. My mother is from Spain and my father is from Puerto Rico so I guess I had that one coming.

Hey, thanks for explaining. It makes all the sense in the world. In fact, that was exactly my point, that Mexico is unique in this, in deviating from Spanish Castillian. Of course, based on my nominal ancestry, Irish, it makes sense that I admire rebels. The descendants of my ancestors have been fighting the English for what? Five hundred years, and if you come back in 500 years, they will still be at it. We are a hard headed lot. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

I have been unable to find out, partly because I don't know people in those countries, how it is in Guatemala; Honduras; Panama; etc. I can speak only for Mexican usage. Thanks again. Sorry to deviate from linux.

[veloctTX]

I am unsure for those countries. I know the old spanish colonies (most of them) still use castillian spanish. BTW, My wife is part Irish and part German, on the Irish side they can trace it back to Scotland and William Wallace.

Back to linux: I would just order the LM 7.2 from either Cheapbytes or lsl.com. Don't get the version from Wal-Mart, it's a desktop version and it is not near as complete as the downlodable version (used by Cheapbytes and lsl.com).

[This message has been edited by veloctTX (edited 27 November 2000).]

[Iceman]

Hello:

I've lived in California, Quebec, Ireland, France, Denmark, Mexico, Guatemala and South east Asia. Studied language and literature at university. May I point out, as another did, that even within a culture or country dialects may differ?

BTW, Irlandes, we've been fighting the yoke of for 900 years, not 500.

And as another poster pointed out, do not judge mexicans by what you see on the news.

All of that said, let's get back to the original question: IIRC, 10,000 copies of 7.2 were shipped to the WalMart organization. An unspecified qty were also shipped to other large retailers in the US. There is NO way to determine which is which until the box is open. I would order from Cheapbytes.

Wish I could order Tex-Mex as easily.

[irlandes]

Originally posted by Iceman:
Hello:

May I point out, as another did, that even within a culture or country dialects may differ?

BTW, Irlandes, we've been fighting the yoke of for 900 years, not 500.


Thanks, everyone for the tips on 7.2 I will see what I can come up with, but wanted all the advice I could get.

900 years? I probably knew this at one time, but forgot. Thanks for the correction.

An example of minor differences in a language in one nation is 'casita' in DF. This is the little house where the other woman lives, the big house is where the wife lives. I once used this term, and got a rather haughty correction from the Guadalajara/Chapala/Ajijic group telling me the correct term was casa chica.

Alas, that is not correct for Mexico City. No one I could find had ever even heard the term casa chica used for this - just as the other group never heard casita used this way.

And, there is a word column in the Mexico City NEWS (Novedades in English). He takes colloquial expressions, and tells the readers where they live in the United States.

Thanks everyone.

[GyrlsH8Me]

Hey guys! Even though I got a D+ in Spanish 1 during high school (promptly switching to German the next semester.), that doesn't mean that I can't watch the 'Mexican Channel' out of Mexico City. We get this channel here in Kansas City, MO and I'm telling you guys.... the HOTTEST WOMEN I've ever seen on TV and I can't understand a word they are saying. It's heaven. They put American women to shame! Now if I could only get them over to my place....

GyrlsH8Me

[irlandes]

Originally posted by GyrlsH8Me:
Hey guys! Even though I got a D+ in Spanish 1 during high school (promptly switching to German the next semester.), that doesn't mean that I can't watch the 'Mexican Channel' out of Mexico City. We get this channel here in Kansas City, MO and I'm telling you guys.... the HOTTEST WOMEN I've ever seen on TV and I can't understand a word they are saying. It's heaven. They put American women to shame! Now if I could only get them over to my place....
GyrlsH8Me

I'm curious what channel that is. TV Azteca is a Mexico City channel, but I don't know if it's on your system. Is there another name besides Mexican Channel?

Do remember that the women put on TV tend to be star class appearance, not your everyday women. Think about our TV stars. Of course, I realize Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts are exceptions to this...

I am sort of ruined for Mexican women. We co-own a house in Mexico City with my sister-in-law and family. My three nieces are among the most beautiful women I have ever seen in Mexico. After seeing them for two weeks, other women tend to be somewhat unworthy of notice.

There are plenty of very attractive women in Mexico, and those from poverty are often, though not always, willing to marry North Americans. By poverty, I mean a family income of maybe $35 a week or less.

The problem is few North American men have the cojones to go to Mexico and find them. Thus, it is the lack of cojones that is the problem.

I do have a riddle. It is unfair, because it lumps all North American women into the average, and there are indeed truly desirable, that is, nonaverage, women in North America. You don't find them on the streets; they will more often be in church.

Anyway:

Q: What is the difference between the average North American woman, and a slutty Mexican bar girl?

A. The slutty Mexican bar girl usually knows how to cook.

There is another topic brought up by your posting. Your name. I had a buddy in Seattle, now deceased, who worked as a marriage counselor. He studied his records, and had his peers look at theirs. For every woman who came to them, complaining her husband was a violent brute, nine women complained their husbands were spineless wimps.

Girls hated me in my younger years, too. The common reason for this is men who are too nice. If you act like women say they want you to act, they hate you. Women say they want a kind, gentle, sensitive man. Heh, heh, heh. They can't stand kind, gentle, sensitive men. If you have your heart on your sleeve, they can't stand you. They insist on tough guys; they won't tolerate any other kind of men. Then, they whine how insensitive men are.

Think of Woody Allen. He plays the kind of man women claim they want, and he usually plays a divorced man. John Wayne treated women like sh*t, and women chased him all over the place.

I have a son who is a professor at a University. He does not lack for lovers. When one of his women gives him a hard time, he tells her, "I treat you like the ho you are!" They grumble, but they stay.

Dr. Feynman in his autobiography (Surely you must be joking, Dr. Feynman!) tells how he was taught by a friend and his wife how to seduce women by treating them like sh*t. It worked. Get it and read it.

[atl2ptown]

just a word of advise for everyone that learned Spanish in school in America. Dont argue with people about the language and culture of a country that you havent lived in. Especially since Spanish is spoken in so many countries.

[irlandes]

Originally posted by atl2ptown:
just a word of advise for everyone that learned Spanish in school in America. Dont argue with people about the language and culture of a country that you havent lived in. Especially since Spanish is spoken in so many countries.

I agree. In fact, that was my point, and VeloctTX very courteously admitted the same thing, after he heard what we had to say. This may not seem to have anything to do with linux, but I think it does. linux is an international language, and one of the few places where people from all over the world work together (fuss on rants about the Queen not counting, since that was not involving linux).

On the mac forum of LNO, I posted a ? from a friend in Mexico city.

In my case, I know almost nothing about other Spanish speaking countries, except by default, though I'd sure like to. But, the two or three who cared actually learned from this exchange, and that is good!

By the way, elsewhere on the forum, I think it was Rants, there was a lot of info on 7.2 problems, several people who couldn't get it to install, apparently depending upon computer configuration.

It will be a while before I get home and try anything. Thanks for all, 7.2 and Spanish stuff.

[This message has been edited by irlandes (edited 03 December 2000).]

[lad24mx]

Dios mio, dios mio !!!
Mira lo que les hemos hecho a estos gueros !!! Que ya hasta espanol hablan http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Being a mexican national myself, it makes me feel good to read your postings and know that just as I thought; not everybody out there is completely against foreigners.

Don't try and correct my spanish spelling as I am still a newbie and I have yet to figure out how to set spanish characters on my keyboard.

For those of you how may wonder what part of Mexico I'm from, I was born in Monterrey, Mexico.

By the way, in Mexico were taught to write city as well as country names with their first letter being capitalized as in Mexico not mexico.

Here's the one that'll start a flame war:

It's Texas not Tejas.

When a person says that they speak spanish; they're wrong, there's no such thing. The language real name is castillian. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Cheers all.

[irlandes]

Originally posted by lad24mx:
Dios mio, dios mio !!!
Mira lo que les hemos hecho a estos gueros !!! Que ya hasta espanol hablan http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Being a mexican national myself, it makes me feel good to read your postings and know that just as I thought; not everybody out there is completely against foreigners.

Don't try and correct my spanish spelling as I am still a newbie and I have yet to figure out how to set spanish characters on my keyboard.

For those of you how may wonder what part of Mexico I'm from, I was born in Monterrey, Mexico.

By the way, in Mexico were taught to write city as well as country names with their first letter being capitalized as in Mexico not mexico.

Here's the one that'll start a flame war:

It's Texas not Tejas.

When a person says that they speak spanish; they're wrong, there's no such thing. The language real name is castillian. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Cheers all.

There are two ways to use the Spanish characters. For the majority of us who have not been able to connect to the Internet with linux, and are still using Win 98 or 95, if you go into START, then CONTROL PANEL, then select KEYBOARD, then LANGUAGE, it will let you add the Spanish language option, and will give you an option how to switch back and forth. I click the button that says LEFT ALT + SHIFT. As I type, when I need ñ or é or ¡ or something like that, I hit left alt + shift. ñ is where ; is. é is by hitting first, [ then let it up, then hit any vowel and is is produced with the accent. The ¡ is by hitting +, that is, shifted =.

Also, there are hidden characters produced by holding down ALT then typing numbers, then letting ALT up again. My problem with this is on my laptop, I need to enable Numlock, and then use letter keys, which is tricky. The only way to do this effectively is to make up a list and keep it in front of your computer.

I have been married to a Mexican citizen for 25 years. She is a much older woman - 58 days older to be exact. Jijiji!

We are retired, and I am trying to move to Mexico. We had planned it for 11 years, when we retired she panicked and wouldn't go. If I need to, I will go without her, as cruel as it sounds. My daughters tell me if I do, she soon will follow along.

We have been spending about 4 months a year in Mexico, usually visiting family in the Central Highlands (i.e.- DF; Puebla; rural Puebla; Cordoba, Ver.) Monterrey is too hot for me, in the summer. It's more like it is in McAllen, where we have our mobile home. I am either in Mexico, or counting the days of misery and despair until I return.

I make no secret of the fact that I love the Mexican people. Having married into a family really helps, and I have developed a close relationship with most of them.

Also, the Mexican people are usually very easy to make friends with. They usually ask me what places I have seen, and I tell them I don't much care for beaches and museums and pyramids, that I love the Mexican people. And, they just beam, and treat me like I was special.

I do know why it would surprise you that people love Mexicans. I told my friend, The Doctor in a small, rural Puebla town that in my opinion, too many tourists go to Mexico much as they go to the zoo. I realize not all are that way, but it only takes one out of ten to give a really bad impression. I am blessed by God, and usually do not see another North American while I am there.

I participate in the forums of www.mexonline.com (http://www.mexonline.com) and also write essays about the people I meet, and adventures I have. I mail it to a private mail list, due to large quantities of flames I have received in open forums. Since I have an almost unique opportunity to see Mexicans within the family, when they are at their very best, true Mexico lovers seem to enjoy what I write. I have about 30 people, I think, and I mail it bcc: so there are no flames.

Mexonline is planning to publish a directory of those essays.

You will get no flames from me for Texas. In Texas, a lot of Hispanics refer to themselves as Tejanos. They also speak a language called Spanglish, which is a mixture of both. My daughter says they say things like trucka or rocka instead of camion or piedra. When my wife heard this, she started calling me husbanito.

Actually, my Spanish is not that great. I can read a lot, though I did not understand gueros. (I had to ask my wife, and when she explained it meant, er, light skinned folk, I remembered it again, I had heard it before.) But, I simply cannot 'hear' fast enough to understand everyone. There are people I can understand every word. In the hardware store in that little village, if I say, "Buenos Dias" they say, "Que? Que?" I am not sure it's all my fault!

Most computer users I know in Mexico do NOT use linux. Only Hebert, who has the problems with his imac and LinuxPPC that I posted on the LNO mac forum, and seems to be solving them. My nephew is a faithful party hack for PRD, and just got a job supervising a crew of 18 computer operators in the Delegacion offices, when they won the Delegacion elections. They only use Microsoft stuff.

Most people I know, except Hebert, do not have their own computers. They use them at work or at school. Even my nephew, who is supervisor of 18 computer operators for PRD delegacion offices, borrowed an old 486 from me, to use as a word processor in his office.

But, the work places and schools are up to date, using usually Win 98 at the latest. Computers are easily available in cities in Mexico, and usually cost about 10 - 20% more than in the States. One difference is, there are few 'throw aways' in Mexico. Even old 286 and 386 computers sell for like $50 to $150, if you can find anyone with the money to buy them. Here, we toss them in the garbage, of course.

[lad24mx]

mx Originally posted by irlandes:
There are two ways to use the Spanish characters. For the majority of us who have not been able to connect to the Internet with linux, and are still using Win 98 or 95, if you go into START, then CONTROL PANEL, then select KEYBOARD, then LANGUAGE, it will let you add the Spanish language option, and will give you an option how to switch back and forth. I click the button that says LEFT ALT + SHIFT. As I type, when I need ñ or é or ¡ or something like that, I hit left alt + shift. ñ is where ; is. é is by hitting first, [ then let it up, then hit any vowel and is is produced with the accent. The ¡ is by hitting +, that is, shifted =.

Also, there are hidden characters produced by holding down ALT then typing numbers, then letting ALT up again. My problem with this is on my laptop, I need to enable Numlock, and then use letter keys, which is tricky. The only way to do this effectively is to make up a list and keep it in front of your computer.

I have been married to a Mexican citizen for 25 years. She is a much older woman - 58 days older to be exact. Jijiji!

We are retired, and I am trying to move to Mexico. We had planned it for 11 years, when we retired she panicked and wouldn't go. If I need to, I will go without her, as cruel as it sounds. My daughters tell me if I do, she soon will follow along.

We have been spending about 4 months a year in Mexico, usually visiting family in the Central Highlands (i.e.- DF; Puebla; rural Puebla; Cordoba, Ver.) Monterrey is too hot for me, in the summer. It's more like it is in McAllen, where we have our mobile home. I am either in Mexico, or counting the days of misery and despair until I return.

I make no secret of the fact that I love the Mexican people. Having married into a family really helps, and I have developed a close relationship with most of them.

Also, the Mexican people are usually very easy to make friends with. They usually ask me what places I have seen, and I tell them I don't much care for beaches and museums and pyramids, that I love the Mexican people. And, they just beam, and treat me like I was special.

I do know why it would surprise you that people love Mexicans. I told my friend, The Doctor in a small, rural Puebla town that in my opinion, too many tourists go to Mexico much as they go to the zoo. I realize not all are that way, but it only takes one out of ten to give a really bad impression. I am blessed by God, and usually do not see another North American while I am there.

I participate in the forums of www.mexonline.com (http://www.mexonline.com) and also write essays about the people I meet, and adventures I have. I mail it to a private mail list, due to large quantities of flames I have received in open forums. Since I have an almost unique opportunity to see Mexicans within the family, when they are at their very best, true Mexico lovers seem to enjoy what I write. I have about 30 people, I think, and I mail it bcc: so there are no flames.

Mexonline is planning to publish a directory of those essays.

You will get no flames from me for Texas. In Texas, a lot of Hispanics refer to themselves as Tejanos. They also speak a language called Spanglish, which is a mixture of both. My daughter says they say things like trucka or rocka instead of camion or piedra. When my wife heard this, she started calling me husbanito.

Actually, my Spanish is not that great. I can read a lot, though I did not understand gueros. (I had to ask my wife, and when she explained it meant, er, light skinned folk, I remembered it again, I had heard it before.) But, I simply cannot 'hear' fast enough to understand everyone. There are people I can understand every word. In the hardware store in that little village, if I say, "Buenos Dias" they say, "Que? Que?" I am not sure it's all my fault!

Most computer users I know in Mexico do NOT use linux. Only Hebert, who has the problems with his imac and LinuxPPC that I posted on the LNO mac forum, and seems to be solving them. My nephew is a faithful party hack for PRD, and just got a job supervising a crew of 18 computer operators in the Delegacion offices, when they won the Delegacion elections. They only use Microsoft stuff.

Most people I know, except Hebert, do not have their own computers. They use them at work or at school. Even my nephew, who is supervisor of 18 computer operators for PRD delegacion offices, borrowed an old 486 from me, to use as a word processor in his office.

But, the work places and schools are up to date, using usually Win 98 at the latest. Computers are easily available in cities in Mexico, and usually cost about 10 - 20% more than in the States. One difference is, there are few 'throw aways' in Mexico. Even old 286 and 386 computers sell for like $50 to $150, if you can find anyone with the money to buy them. Here, we toss them in the garbage, of course.


Don't worry about it, soon you'll realize how good your spanish really is, that's if you end up moving to Mexico of course. It's all a matter of getting used to the sounds.

I hope to move back to Mexico someday, but not anytime soon. Right now I'm trying to get my butt to go through school, mainly finish up my CCNA certificate so that I can start moving toward a career in networking.

I better go and get on studying so I pass my quiz tomorrow.

Later.

Roberto.

[irlandes]

Originally posted by lad24mx:
mx
Don't worry about it, soon you'll realize how good your spanish really is, that's if you end up moving to Mexico of course. It's all a matter of getting used to the sounds.

I hope to move back to Mexico someday, but not anytime soon. Right now I'm trying to get my butt to go through school, mainly finish up my CCNA certificate so that I can start moving toward a career in networking.

I better go and get on studying so I pass my quiz tomorrow.

Later.

Roberto.



I gave in, and ordered the reference version of 7.2 from Cheapbytes. I think I screwed up and bought an extra set of CD's, but that's no big deal. I did want the reference book; I have only e-books, and I like printed books, so I can make notes and cross references in them.

I am not clear if the compiler stuff is there or not. But, it won't bankrupt me, and it's on an extra computer, so experimenting doesn't risk much.

I may well order the full Power pack later, and see what is there.

Thanks all for advice.

[manual_overide]

never took spanish.

ich sprache ein bischen Deutsch!

I'm switching majors from CompE to IS in a couple of quarters (when my GPA gets off life support) I'm going to try to co-op in Germany for a couple of quarters! should be fun. Just need to make sure I'm there for Oktoberfest...

[veloctTX]

The cheapbytes 7.2 is the same as the downloadable, the only thing missing is the commercial software but it's a full distro with all developmental tools.

[ColdPack]

Just curious...
Anyone of of you consider giving Conectiva 6.0 a test-drive?
If you aren't familiar, it's a Brazilian company. The distro is made in Portugese, Spanish and English.
It also includes the latest version of apt that is supposed to work with .rpm packages, not just .deb packages.
I've been messing with it and I like it... even a bit more than I liked Mandrake.
Really, I am a Debian user mostly but respect the "ease of use" of Mandrake and its kin.
Just wondering if any of you tried it and what you think of it.


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--- Paul Rodriguez

[scewing]

I HAD the 7.1 version running on my computer without flaw.

I bought the 7.2 version at Wal-Mart. Now, I don't know if it's the version, or what, but there's all sorts of problems with it. At first, I couldn't get the installation to boot up. It kept hanging during the initialization right after ide1 and ide2mapping. My guess was this was because of my Promise ATA66 controller card. I removed the controller and VOILA! It installed fine. (Baffling because 7.1 had no problems with it!) BUT.....

During the standard installation it skips the part to let you choose the methods (Recommended, Custom, and Expert).....don't know why. ALSO....if at the very first screen you hit F1 and go to change your installation type, no matter what you choose it goes into the standard installation method. Expert....goes to standard. Lin4Win....goes to standard. Text only.....goes to standard.

Now, one of the reasons I bought the version at WAlMart was for the "technical support" I knew I would need. I registered and sent my question. TWO WEEKS later I got a badly translated into English email saying basically Did I make any hardware changes between 7.1 and 7.2 and that he "waits to read" me. I sent the reply two weeks ago and haven't heard from them since.

I say it's not ready.

[Shad]

IF you look on the box it should say if it has the KDE 1.99 or KDE 2.0. At least this is the word from the Mandrake Forum. I believe that as long as you buy the Box from anyplace but Wal-mart, you shouldn't have a problem.

On a different note, I feel I should expound a how Wal-mart and K-mart are evil. I feel it is wrong to be open on major National Holidays like Thanksgiving. The people that are going to be forced to work on Thanksgiving are going to be in the lower economic strata to begin with. They keep non-standard hours (ie not 9-5) and don't see family that much. Why should they be forced to spend another day away from family?

Most people say that society is not as good today as it was twenty years ago. I feel a big part of this is that families do not spend as much time together. I remember growing up in Massachusettes, and everything being closed on Sunday. One went to church in the morning, then spent time with friends or family in the afternoon. My parents ran the local youth group evry other Sunday afternoon. The yout of the church got together and we played Volley Ball, or other games, or visited local museums. We had a sense of community that you often don't see anymore. I know the group would never have worked out now, as all the High School Kids would be stuck working on Sundays.

I really think that this 24/7 Society we are turning into is going to tear apart our society. While I know politician would rather point the finger at other causes than look at the the real cause of lack of parental involvement, this is what we need to address. Because of this, I can not ethically support any store that willingly drives a wedge to split families further apart.



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[irlandes]

Originally posted by Shad:
IF you look on the box it should say if it has the KDE 1.99 or KDE 2.0. At least this is the word from the Mandrake Forum. I believe that as long as you buy the Box from anyplace but Wal-mart, you shouldn't have a problem.

BASED ON THE MANDRAKE INFO, I AM SURE YOU ARE CORRECT AND MINE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE KDE 2. -- irlandes
Most people say that society is not as good today as it was twenty years ago. I feel a big part of this is that families do not spend as much time together. I remember growing up in Massachusettes, and everything being closed on Sunday. One went to church in the morning, then spent time with friends or family in the afternoon. My parents ran the local youth group evry other Sunday afternoon. The yout of the church got together and we played Volley Ball, or other games, or visited local museums. We had a sense of community that you often don't see anymore. I know the group would never have worked out now, as all the High School Kids would be stuck working on Sundays.

I really think that this 24/7 Society we are turning into is going to tear apart our society. While I know politician would rather point the finger at other causes than look at the the real cause of lack of parental involvement, this is what we need to address. Because of this, I can not ethically support any store that willingly drives a wedge to split families further apart.




I cannot make any argument against what you say. Again, visiting Mexico has changed my views a lot. In Mexico, when the woman stays home, the families visit back and forth a lot at night, because the housework can be done in the daytime. When both parents work, after work has to be reserved for housework and family chores. So, there is no time for anyone to visit. And, if a society repeats a certain behavior enough, it becomes a social norm.

Thus, most people in the States are no longer comfortable visiting others, or having them over to visit. We do it, but it is not often. In Mexico, people visit every day, and it is so nice. We in the States are an isolated people, all because our women choose to work outside the home. In my Opinion.

[Goughmezz]

Originally posted by irlandes:
I have been waiting patiently for Mandrake 7.2, to re-install on the machine that I dinked up deliberately, to learn about mini-linux.

When I got back from Mexico, I saw Wal-mart in McAllen had 7.2, but someone on LNO stated that Mandrake shipped it before it was ready. If that is true, I sure don't want that! Does anyone have a strong opinion on 7.2 via Wal-mart or Sam's Club? Is it ready? Will there be more than one version of 7.2? How do I know?

Any knowledge will be appreciated. Thanks.


I like going to Wal Mart to stare at the dead fish in the tank. You see no matter how many fish are in the tank, they all die. Why? They were sitting at a terminal all day coding for Linux. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif

[irlandes]

Originally posted by Goughmezz:

I like going to Wal Mart to stare at the dead fish in the tank. You see no matter how many fish are in the tank, they all die. Why? They were sitting at a terminal all day coding for Linux. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif


Before I noticed who typed this, I thought: "This must be Goughmezz". The guy who claims he hates linux and loves Windows, but can't live, who can't sleep nights without those wonderful folks on the Linux forums. We don't need Freud to explain this one.

[This message has been edited by irlandes (edited 06 December 2000).]