I can't get Mandrake 8.1 to recognize my ATI all in wonder, it sees it as a ATI MACH64. I use the Control Center to change the setting but the setting revert back to ATI MACH64 every time.
I also need to install XFree 4.1.0 but every time I do Mandrake resets to the default setting of XFree 3.3.6 w/3D.
I'm at a loss of what to do.
mdwatts
03-29-2002, 03:25 PM
Please read my comment in the ATI TV Tuner thread.
RageAHolic
03-29-2002, 03:38 PM
I've got an ATI AIW Rage 128 Pro and Drake 8.x always detects it as an "r128" rather than a "mach64"...of course I have always passed over XF86 3.3.6 on 8.x as well.
XF86 4.x should see it as an "r128", that is it should see it correctly. I never found 3.3.6 to support it straight up (without futzing)...hence the skipping of 3.3.6 (because you can get 3D accel in 4.x as well).
I also need to install XFree 4.1.0 but every time I do Mandrake resets to the default setting of XFree 3.3.6 w/ 3D.
How are you going about installing 4.1.0? From the RPMs on your Drake CD? or compiling? or using the 4.1.0 binaries?
It's probably reverting back to 3.3.6 because 4.1.0 is not installed. During the installation, immediately after choosing your version of X, it installs the version of your choosing. So you'll probably need to do the same for 4.1.0.
Just taking a look at the 8.1 CD...I THINK that you could probably install the 4.1.0 rpms found on the 8.1 Installation CD. I've never upgraded X via RPM though so I don't know if there will be dependency issues...can someone testify?
I think that you probably just need to install the XFree86-foo-4.1.0-foo.rpm rpms then Mandrake Control Center would be able to switch (becauwe 4.1.0 would really be an option then).
Or if you wanted you could (after installing 4.1.0) run: XFree86 -configure which will probe your system and generate an XF86config file...then it would just be a matter of mv'ing it to /etc/X11/XF86config (backing up your current XF86config of course).
Man I'm rambling...I don't know if I'm offering anything worth while...I'm pretty rusty.
If I'm wrong, innacurate or partially right...please feel free to correct...but no flames please.
Big Brad
03-29-2002, 04:16 PM
Thank you WattsMD and RageAHolic for replying so fast.
I'm a newbie to Linux. I have been using microsoft products for so long my mind has become fat, lazy and stupid. Linux-Mandrake is very hard for me to understand. In RageAHolic's reply I only understood about 75% of what I'm reading. There is so much information for a newbie to absorb that Linux becomes a daunting task.
WattsMD, I will read your comment in the ATI TV Tuner thread. Thanks
RageAHolic and others who may reply. Could you please be a little more basic with your replies. A more "Insert Tab IntoSlot B" approach.
Thanks to all.
Big Brad
03-29-2002, 04:47 PM
"How are you going about installing 4.1.0? From the RPMs on your Drake CD? or compiling? or using the 4.1.0 binaries?"
I'm install using Software Manager. I have installed other RPM's using this method and Mandrake does all the work for me, even putting a link in the Start Application Menu. When I installed XFree 4.1.0 I just assumed that it was ready to use. I think the problem is first I have to get Mandrake to recognize my video card before I can get XFree 4.1.0 to work. Of course I could be wrong.
Any Help Is Greatly Appreciated ! ! !
RageAHolic
03-29-2002, 06:12 PM
When you bootup, does it go right to a GUI or does it go to console? If it boots straight to a GUI...you'll want to press ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2, F3, etc up to F6) to get to a console
Login at the console and login, then type:
($ is the prompt...don't type that)
$su
$password:
$whereis XFree86
(note: you don't need to be root to use whereis)
(it should say something like: XFree86: /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 /usr/bin/X11/XFree86)
$XFree86 -configure
(this should output a WHOLE buncha stuff...it may look like this):
XFree86 detected your mouse at device /dev/mouse.
Please check your config if the mouse is still not
operational, as by default XFree86 tries to autodetect
the protocol.
Your XF86Config file is /root/XF86Config.new
To test the server, run 'XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new'
So XFree86 4.1.0 should have generated a new XF86Config file located in /root and is named XF86Config.new.
Now you want to back up your existing XF86Config file.
$cp /etc/X11/XF86Config /home/BigBrad (or whatever your home dir is).
Next you want to mv (move) the /root/XF86Config.new file to /etc/X11/ and rename it to XF86Config.
$mv /root/XF86Config.new /etc/X11/XF86Config
$exit
(this will bump you out of root and back to regular user)
Next I think that you'd want to press ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to your GUI...then press ctrl-alt-bksp to restart X and have it use your new settings.
If everything blows up and doesn't work...you want to go back to console (ctrl-alt-F1)
$su
$password:
mv /home/BigBrad/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config (this will put your old config back in place).
ctrl-alt-F7
ctrl-alt-bksp
Can someone go over this before Big Brad does it just to make sure that it's right...or at least not horribly wrong...I'm so rusty on my Linux action..just trying to help :)
I can only think that there would be an easier way to do this...I know that I futz w/ X like this all of the time when it doesn't do what I want it to do.
Again, I'm rusty...Big Brad...unfortunately I can't give you the 100% "it's going to work" guarantee...I'd wait for someone else to comment on it before trying it out.
RageAHolic
03-29-2002, 06:16 PM
or check out my REALLY OLD NHF on the subject :)
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/ati_rage128.html
Big Brad
03-29-2002, 07:29 PM
TO: RageAHolic
Thanks for trying to help. Sorry to be such a pain. I printed out your last post and gave it a try. When I typed in whereis XFree86 at the prompt it returned a blank line. I left the console and returned to the GUI. I checked the Software Manager and found that XFree86 is installed on the system.
I went to /usr/X11R6/bin/ but there was no XFree86 directory. I looked around a little and found some files like this:
Xconfigurator -> ../sbin/FXdrake
Xdrakes -> ../..//sbin/XFdrake*
xf86cfg*
fx86config*
XF86_Mach64*
This whole thing is so confusing. I have no idea what to do.
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP ! ! !
RageAHolic
03-29-2002, 08:20 PM
Okay Big Brad...open a terminal window:
$XFree86 -version
Mine outputs something like this:
XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 23 January 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-1mdksmp i686 [ELF]
I press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and the console comes up. Then I type su at the prompt then I enter the password for root. Then I type XFree86 -version and it returns the following, "bash: XFree86: command not found"
RageAHolic
03-29-2002, 10:48 PM
You didn't post the output from:
rpm -qa | grep XFree86
PS - you don't have to be root to do either of those commands. If you need to be root...I'll be tellin' ya :)
I've been testing alot of this stuff out on my test box before posting.
Okay I've been trying to help you from Windows2000 while trying stuff out on my test box running Drake 8.2 via vnc...the test box doesn't have an AIW 128Pro...so I booted into Linux on my main box :)
Now when you open the control center-->hardware-->display-->on the right hand window there should be 3 buttons along the bottom: ok, cancel and Expert Mode. Click on Expert Mode (give it a few seconds to fire up the advanced mode menu).
There should be 3 options:
4.1.0 w/ 3D acceleration
4.1.0
3.3.6 w/ 3D acceleration
Which one is selected?
And can you post your /etc/X11/XF86Config file please?
Big Brad
03-30-2002, 12:41 AM
* XFree 3.3.6 with 3D hardware acceleration
XFree 3.3.6
XFree 4.1.0
XFree 3.3.6 with 3D hardware acceleration is the one selected.
My /etc/X11/XF86Config file.
# File generated by XFdrake.
# ************************************************** ********************
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# ************************************************** ********************
Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.
FontPath "unix/:-1"
EndSection
# ************************************************** ********************
# Server flags section.
# ************************************************** ********************
Section "ServerFlags"
# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is
# received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging
#NoTrapSignals
# Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
# This allows clients to receive this key event.
#DontZap
# Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> mode switching
# sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events.
#DontZoom
# This allows the server to start up even if the
# mouse device can't be opened/initialised.
AllowMouseOpenFail
# when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the
# following line
#Protocol "Xqueue"
AutoRepeat 250 30
# Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be
# required when using pre-R6 clients
#ServerNumLock
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
#Xleds "1 2 3"
#To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift,
#RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock:
LeftAlt Meta
RightAlt Meta
ScrollLock Compose
RightCtl Control
# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
# XkbDisable
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
# XkbModel "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
# XkbModel "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
# XkbLayout "de"
# or:
# XkbLayout "de"
# XkbVariant "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
# XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps"
# These are the default XKB settings for XFree86
# XkbRules "xfree86"
# XkbModel "pc101"
# XkbLayout "us"
# XkbVariant ""
# XkbOptions ""
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generic|High Frequency SVGA, 1024x768 at 70 Hz"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName "Unknown"
# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
HorizSync 31.5-57.0
# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
VertRefresh 50-90
# Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or
# a multi-line format.
# This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec
# are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and
# VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to
# delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your
# monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor
# and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically
# used.
# This is a set of extended mode timings typically used for laptop,
# TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
# These are available along with standard mode timings.
Originally posted by Big Brad:
<STRONG>I can't get Mandrake 8.1 to recognize my ATI all in wonder, it sees it as a ATI MACH64. I use the Control Center to change the setting but the setting revert back to ATI MACH64 every time.
I also need to install XFree 4.1.0 but every time I do Mandrake resets to the default setting of XFree 3.3.6 w/3D.
I'm at a loss of what to do.</STRONG>
My recommendation is to install XFree86 4.2.0 manually (using the scripts) and bypassing the Mandrake Control Center.
If you want to stick with MCC, when configuring your video card and you go in the advanced section and choose the 4.1.0 over 3.3.6...and finally finish here, exit out of the MCC w/o making further changes. This will eliminate having MCC switch you back to 3.3.6. At least that is how it worked in 8.0.
Big Brad
03-31-2002, 04:09 AM
I found an alternative to windows, Mandrake 8.1. At least I thought it was. This was the Operating System that was going to get me off my microsoft dependency. But it doesn't realy work. The OS is flawed. A normal every-day person can't configure it to work properly.
Any kind of support is virtually non-existent except for those people who choose to flex their ego and pretend to know what they are talking about.
All I ever wanted was to stop being taken advantage of by Bill Gates. I want to end the vicious cycle of never ending software and hardware up-grade's. Linux OS's claim to do that but it seems that you have to belong to some special club, organization or click to make the OS's work. Sorry you people but I just don't do well in groups.
My take on the situation is that we are all in this together. We should all bond together and rise up against microsoft and Bill Gates and the evil that they do to one and all. Someone has to take them on and bring down this EVIL EMPIRE. I want to be one of those people but it seem that no one want's to include me in their group, but I guess I'm to much of a radical.
Well I guess I have ranted on long enough. Sorry if I have offended anyone. All I ever wanted is for this to work.
I will keep this thread alive for a few days but if I can't find a relatively easy way to understand the answer my question I will have to move on to something else.
Sincerely,
Vern Bradley Southern
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Big Brad
03-31-2002, 04:23 AM
Somewhere along the way we forgot our passion.
mdwatts
03-31-2002, 11:33 AM
Did somebody tell you Linux was easy? Do you know anything about Unix?
I don't recommend anyone to just decide to install Linux without first reading and learning about this complex operating system first.
There are a lot of idiots out there that cannot even operate Windows let along Linux. And Windows is a toy os compared to Linux/Unix.
You must know that Linuxnewbie is a help site where newbies go to help other newbies. This is a free site so don't expect everyone here to be a guru but you.
So now you have a free os plus all the software that's included. You may have to spend some of your own time researching problems (Google) and reading the documentation (also Google and installed right on your hd).
You can pay for support at Mandrake and there are other Linux support you can purchase.
Did you actually try Mandrake's support site? Any Google searches? ATI's support site? XFree86 support site?
Big Brad
04-01-2002, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by WattsMD:
<STRONG>Did somebody tell you Linux was easy? Do you know anything about Unix?
I don't recommend anyone to just decide to install Linux without first reading and learning about this complex operating system first.
There are a lot of idiots out there that cannot even operate Windows let along Linux. And Windows is a toy os compared to Linux/Unix.
You must know that Linuxnewbie is a help site where newbies go to help other newbies. This is a free site so don't expect everyone here to be a guru but you.
So now you have a free os plus all the software that's included. You may have to spend some of your own time researching problems (Google) and reading the documentation (also Google and installed right on your hd).
You can pay for support at Mandrake and there are other Linux support you can purchase.
Did you actually try Mandrake's support site? Any Google searches? ATI's support site? XFree86 support site?</STRONG>
TO: WattsMD
O.K. Let's walk the walk and talk the talk. You have not given me one understandable reply to my post.
Did someone tell me that Linux was easy? I read over 100 web pages before I installed a linux OS on my computer. I never thought that Linux was easy. I did think that Linux was useable. I assumed that Linux could be worked with.
But every time I ask a question I come across someone like you. An elitist, a snob, a person that thinks that they are better than the rest of us.
If that's what I wanted I would Have stuck with Bill Gates. What I want is an understandable answer to my question!!! How do I setup my video card... Since you are so much smarter than me and all the rest of us, by all means please tell us how to do that...
As far as the Linuxnewbie web site goes, thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU, Webmaster. I love the idea that people are getting to defeat Bill Gates.
WattsMD: I resent your comment that I have not researched this issue enough. I have been searching all over the internet for information about the Linux-Mandrake OS for over 4 months now. I just recently found this web site and this is my first post. SO GET OFF MY BACK YOU JERK.
I am greatful for all the software that is included with Mandrake. I am willing to spend as much time as needed to learn how it use it. But I do except the people who choose to respond to my web posts to know what they are talking about, Unlike You.
As far as paying for support. Absolutely NOT! We, as system administrators, who spend an unconscionable amount of money on hardware and microsoft software would like to find a way out from under this never ending burden.
The fact is that I have 357 people who I want to introduce to Linux in my office. But you don't seem to realize "Mr. or MS. WattsMD is that the system needs to be understandable to the most common user.
WattsMD: you seem to be caught-up in your tiny little world and can't seem to understand that others need a much larger linux world.
I feel sorry for you WattsMD. Maybe some time in the future you might have learned enough about linux to give me advice but apparently you have not achieved that level yet.
With all due respect to others in the Linux community, WattsMD: Get A Life...
Posted by BigBrad:
* XFree 3.3.6 with 3D hardware acceleration
XFree 3.3.6
XFree 4.1.0
XFree 3.3.6 with 3D hardware acceleration is the one selected.
Have you tried selecting XFree 4.1.0 ??
;)
Big Brad
04-05-2002, 03:52 AM
I went to XFree86 Home Page (http://www.xfree86.org/) to try and look up my card. In the usual vague and undetermined Linux status the ATI All-In-Wonder Pro Video Card is Not Supported, "Maybe, Sometimes, Not Sure..." To all the newbies out there, this is the biggest problem with Linux Operating Systems "You can't get a straight answer to a simple question."
If someone has an answer to my question (NO MATTER HOW COMPLEX) please contact me at: vbsouthern@access4less.net
[ 05 April 2002: Message edited by: Big Brad ]
mdwatts
04-05-2002, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Big Brad:
<STRONG>Somewhere along the way we forgot our passion.</STRONG>
That and your previous post are what bother me.
Do WE owe you something? Are we all obligated to fix every single problem posted here?
We don't know the answer to every single guestion (at least I certainly don't) and sometimes you need to do lots of searching and reading elsewhere to find the solutions.
You may have to spend some of your own time researching problems (Google) and reading the documentation (also Google and installed right on your hd).
Where in that did I say you haven't researched the issue yourself?
Even though I've been a member here (with all my previous accounts) for nearly 2.5 years and have a total of 10,900 posts. Now how does someone get to have 10,900 posts? By spending around 5 hours a day (before and after work) volunteering to help others. Plus around 10-12 hours a day on the weekend. For what? Fscking a$$holes like you?
Now let's look back at who instigated all this.
I found an alternative to windows, Mandrake 8.1. At least I thought it was. This was the Operating System that was going to get me off my microsoft dependency. But it doesn't realy work. The OS is flawed. A normal every-day person can't configure it to work properly.
Any kind of support is virtually non-existent except for those people who choose to flex their ego and pretend to know what they are talking about.
All I ever wanted was to stop being taken advantage of by Bill Gates. I want to end the vicious cycle of never ending software and hardware up-grade's. Linux OS's claim to do that but it seems that you have to belong to some special club, organization or click to make the OS's work. Sorry you people but I just don't do well in groups.
My take on the situation is that we are all in this together. We should all bond together and rise up against microsoft and Bill Gates and the evil that they do to one and all. Someone has to take them on and bring down this EVIL EMPIRE. I want to be one of those people but it seem that no one want's to include me in their group, but I guess I'm to much of a radical.
Well I guess I have ranted on long enough. Sorry if I have offended anyone. All I ever wanted is for this to work.
I will keep this thread alive for a few days but if I can't find a relatively easy way to understand the answer my question I will have to move on to something else.
Somewhere along the way we forgot our passion.
You come to Linuxnewbie expecting us to know the answer to every problem and then complain when we haven't fixed your problem. Most of us are newbies the same as you.
mdwatts
04-05-2002, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Big Brad:
<STRONG>I went to XFree86 Home Page (http://www.xfree86.org/) to try and look up my card. In the usual vague and undetermined Linux status the ATI All-In-Wonder Pro Video Card is Not Supported, "Maybe, Sometimes, Not Sure..." To all the newbies out there, this is the biggest problem with Linux Operating Systems "You can't get a straight answer to a simple question."
If someone has an answer to my question (NO MATTER HOW COMPLEX) please contact me at: vbsouthern@access4less.net
[ 05 April 2002: Message edited by: Big Brad ]</STRONG>
Have you tried ATI's support page for the
ALL IN WONDER PRO and Linux/xfree86 (http://www.atitech.com/support/faq/linux.html?cboOS=LinuxXFree86&cboProducts=ALL+IN+WONDER+PRO&cmdNext=GO%21)?
There are plenty of links listed there.
Big Brad
04-14-2002, 02:40 AM
Have you tried ATI's support page for the
ALL IN WONDER PRO and Linux/xfree86? (http://www.atitech.com/support/faq/linux.html?cboOS=LinuxXFree86&cboProducts=ALL+IN+WONDER+PRO&cmdNext=GO%21)
Of course I have. It was the first place I checked.
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