Browser woes

[Sunner]

Looking for a good browser for Linux.
I've been using a myriad of different browsers ever since I started using Linux several years ago, and I still havent felt really good about any of the available ones.

Netscape 4.x is out due to general crappyness.

Mozilla is a tad slow, that would be acceptable, but it seems like it has problems with memory leaks, and some problems with sites that use higher end crypto stuff, more namely, my online banking stuff.

Konqueror is very good, fast, stable, smooth to use in general, but it seems like its very lacking in the crypto stuff, and it has minor problems with some sites.

Lynx, well, its very good for text based sites, but since sites like that are quite few these days...

So, what options are there?
I can use Netscape 4.76 for my banking stuff and Konqueror for other stuff, but is there really no browser out there that has it all?

//Sunner

[anti_seen]

Have you tried Mozilla 0.7? It has all the crypto stuff from Netscape ( PSM I think ). They have also added some speed enhancements. I've heard Opera is good but I havn't used it in a VERY long time and when I did it wasn't very good but things have probably changed by now.

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[FoBoT]

Originally posted by Sunner:
Konqueror is very good, fast, stable, smooth to use in general, but it seems like its very lacking in the crypto stuff, and it has minor problems with some sites.

Konqueror is the only linux browser i have found that is usable, but i haven't tried opera yet, there are many posts here praising it

[Frizzle Fry]

I hear good things about opera (I like it under windows, but haven't used it under linux). However, realize that it is still in beta and isn't fully functional yet (of course, mozilla hasn't reached a release version yet either).

[Sunner]

Yeah I noticed earlier today that Mozilla 0.7 was out.
I'll give that a shot, the only problems I have with mozilla is the speed(or rather, lack of), and lacking security features.

//Sunner

[rayh]

Gents:

I run Amaya, NS_4.x, MOZ_0.X & O_L_bX on my RedHat_6.0 k6/450/64 sys. Right now I consider O_L the best browser. OPERA_L_b5 displays generic, mixed_content pages about 3x faster than MOZ_0.7.

O_L has a stylish look-and-feel. O_L however supports no plugins, has no integrated mailreader and has JS problems ... simply less ROBUST a proggie than NS_4.7.

Otherwise, haven't tried Big_K, & Galeon spits at my system whenever I try to install.

[Pyrosophy]

Just to reiterate a point made a bit earlier, Opera rocks. I'm using a beta version and this thing is unbelievably fast. I'd even go so far as to call it phat. I'm not sure, however, that it does anything crypto at all.

It does not let you login to hotmail, which IS in the end, keeping your system safe http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif. This is because of some problem it has with cookies.

Pyro

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[Larkfellow]

Originally posted by FoBoT:
Konqueror is the only linux browser i have found that is usable, but i haven't tried opera yet, there are many posts here praising it

Where can I find it? This is the first I've heard of it, and anything as to be better than NetCrap. Just one question... can I check my hotmail with it?

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[rayh]

Lf:

I'd save a little respect for NS_L ... as much a fan as OPERA as I am, NS_4.7 renders mixed-content-pages FASTER than O_L_5b !!!

Granted, NS works & looks ugly ... but it works - almost - all the time - almost - everything.

[RageAHolic]

I can finally log into Hotmail with Mozilla .7

Looks like it's going to be pretty sweet (not based solely on its ability to login to hotmail http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif)

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[Larkfellow]

Originally posted by rayh:
Lf:

I'd save a little respect for NS_L ... as much a fan as OPERA as I am, NS_4.7 renders mixed-content-pages FASTER than O_L_5b !!!

Granted, NS works & looks ugly ... but it works - almost - all the time - almost - everything.

My beef with NS is that it's not stable at all, and from what I'm guessing is a memory leak, it crashes fairly often for me. And when it crashes, it's only a matter of time before I have to restart X because the entire system slows down, and starts acting funny.

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[rdeschene]

I'm always amazed at the number of people who find Netscape for Linux to be unstable. I've used it extensively since last spring when I installed SuSE 6.3. I never had to close it once. The Adobe Acrobat plug-in didn't work, but I was also just starting out in Linux, don't use much PDF and spent no time trying to trouble-shoot.

I've recently upgraded to SuSE 7.0 with Netscape 4.76 and it's better still. Loads faster, just as stable (i.e. perfectly in my experience, better than IE5) and all plug-ins so far work.

In general, my experience with SuSE is they sweat the details in ensuring what they put out is stable. Stable first, pretty later seems to be their approach. They had a security hole early on, but that seems to be addressed.

[MADHATter7]

Originally posted by rdeschene:
I'm always amazed at the number of people who find Netscape for Linux to be unstable. I've used it extensively since last spring when I installed SuSE 6.3. I never had to close it once. The Adobe Acrobat plug-in didn't work, but I was also just starting out in Linux, don't use much PDF and spent no time trying to trouble-shoot.

I've recently upgraded to SuSE 7.0 with Netscape 4.76 and it's better still. Loads faster, just as stable (i.e. perfectly in my experience, better than IE5) and all plug-ins so far work.

In general, my experience with SuSE is they sweat the details in ensuring what they put out is stable. Stable first, pretty later seems to be their approach. They had a security hole early on, but that seems to be addressed.

Well said. I am in total agreement. I have installed AND used the following web browser for linux:

Mozilla M18, 0.6 - Shows alot of promise & I like it alot, but still needs some work
Konqueror - Pretty good, still has some problems to be worked out
Opera B4 - fast and that is it, pretty basic
Galeon - like it as well, still needs work, but getting there
Lynx - well, it's TEXT only

But when I really want to do some major browsing, download tons of stuff (themes, apps or ?whatever?) or anything remotely taxing, I will use Netscape 4.76

It is a workhorse application. It has problems, but not as many as the others I have tried. (This may change in the not too distant future, but for now...)

But, I run older hardware, so that may make a difference....

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[allyg]

Opera for Linux 4.0b5 can be obtained at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html

I use it all the time and cant fault it!

It's basic and fast.

[samung]

Originally posted by RageAHolic:
I can finally log into Hotmail with Mozilla .7


Looks like it's going to be pretty sweet (not based solely on its ability to login to hotmail http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif)



haha, I was just about to ask about logging into hotmail using mozilla. I'm using mozilla M18 right now and I kept on getting a "connection refused" message. Thanks for the info.

[rdeschene]

I would also like to put my vote in for Links (check out freshmeat for the current link). A text-based browser, it's true, but boy when you have a slow dial-up connection you quickly reassess your priorities ;-) Am I willing to waste 5 minutes of my life waiting for somebody's conception of a rocket-propelled turtle to download. I think not!

But soon, Brockville will be getting DSL AND Cable modems...and when exactly am I supposed to sleep.

[X_Entity]

I only started using opera a couple of days back but I couldn't be more impressed with it. I have yet to find a page that renders poorly. It supports https through ssl V2 & V3 and TLS 1.0 ( having said that it could be just that its sharing the ssl stuff I got for Konqueror ) the version I picked up a couple of days ago seems to have a problem with cookies but I'm not bothered about that. there is a full list of missing things on the opera website. This is a product worth buying I know I will.

[rayh]

Gents:

RE O_L_x ... the big BooHoo in the OPERA_newgroups is whether-or-no OPERA should bundle non-browser functions. O_W has gone the route of bundling EVERYTHING with the browser O_W_5.02 including 'chat'... while currently, O_L_b5 is totally barenek'ed ...

O_W is plenty stable for me to use it as a 'production' browser ( with PROXO to cover-it's-sensitive-*** ), so OPERA know how ta glue stuff together.
But even in W95 I use NS_4.7 for mail. Most would prefer OPERA to stay 'pure' browser under Linux, but the market pressure pushes the other way. i.m.h.o. It's a tough call. As part of a desktop CLI has it's ( O-so-smallish ) virtues, but since universal email is about to become vidmail that motif's got to be O_L seamless.

[andrzej]

Originally posted by X_Entity:
I have yet to find a page that renders poorly.

Just try ANY page using charset other than ISO8859-1. This is the only feature I'm waiting for. As soon as this is supported by Opera I get rid of Netscrape. (I'll still be using Links, of course).

[forrest]

for modems, or command line... the latest links version supports ssl, tables, and text colors.

for anyone else... try konqueror. it has ssl that works perfectly, you just have to install the kde crypto lib for your system.

apt-get install links-ssl
apt-get install kdebase-crypto

[Shad]

Mozilla needs the PSM, Personal Security Manager, which until recently was a seperate add on.

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