eXtremist
11-13-2001, 09:28 AM
Can anyone give me some information on Mandrake 8.1? I'm currently running 8.0 and I want to upgrade. What can anyone tell me about new bugs, old bugs, and just all around coolness?
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z0mbix
11-13-2001, 10:21 AM
I'm currently using 8.0 on my laptop and just from reading these and other forums it seems there are alot of problems with 8.1, but I can't tell you anymore than that. I'm happy with 8.0 and gonna hang on until 8.2 comes out.
Dark Ninja
11-13-2001, 10:29 AM
I'm currently using 8.1, and I haven't noticed any major problems with it. It is faster than 8.0 (which I think is more of a result of it having the newest version of KDE rather than anything to do with Mandrake), but, I'm happy with it.
Dark Ninja
Dark Ninja
eXtremist
11-13-2001, 10:53 AM
Thanks for your replies.. I'd like to upgrade, but if there's gonna be another version soon, maybe I'll wait. Does anyone know if the voodoo 3 / kdm bug is fixed?
Part of the reason I want to upgrade is because of KDE2.2. I'd be nice to have it included.
Part of the reason I want to upgrade is because of KDE2.2. I'd be nice to have it included.
twen
11-13-2001, 10:58 AM
I upgraded to M8.1 and found that generaly it was cooler ;)
BUT there do seem to be more bugs in it!!!
it seems that that they rushed its release
I've had 2 problems that weren't in 8.0
xfree86 v4 wouldn't work properly - the screen was all flickery. :( The way I sorted that was by chance, in Xserver wizard (in the control center) I chose expert and went for 3D support
The other other problem is the supermount for cdrom is broke a bug in the devfs
the only way I've found round that is too manually edit the fstab
But on the whole I do like it very much ;)
BUT there do seem to be more bugs in it!!!
it seems that that they rushed its release
I've had 2 problems that weren't in 8.0
xfree86 v4 wouldn't work properly - the screen was all flickery. :( The way I sorted that was by chance, in Xserver wizard (in the control center) I chose expert and went for 3D support
The other other problem is the supermount for cdrom is broke a bug in the devfs
the only way I've found round that is too manually edit the fstab
But on the whole I do like it very much ;)
Siskmarek
11-13-2001, 01:03 PM
8.1 works fine and fast for me, minus the fact that rpm --rebuild can't see a file in the same dir that I'm in. ='D
In Mandy 8.1, supermounting seems to be disabled by default. For me, this is a good thing since supermounting in 8.0 and 8.1 betas was pretty screwy. Supermounting isn't too big of a deal, any way. I can just right-click my DVD icon on my desktop and select "Mount" and it does so. Unmounts the same way and Eject is right above. Murr... control...
If you absolutely cannot live without supermount, go click on the Mandrake Control Center on your desktop, go to Hardware->Mount Points, then click on the Removeable Media tab. Select your CD-ROM drive or whatever removeable drive you have and click Options. Supermount is right there. Check it, click done, save your configuration and supermount should now work.
~ Siskie
In Mandy 8.1, supermounting seems to be disabled by default. For me, this is a good thing since supermounting in 8.0 and 8.1 betas was pretty screwy. Supermounting isn't too big of a deal, any way. I can just right-click my DVD icon on my desktop and select "Mount" and it does so. Unmounts the same way and Eject is right above. Murr... control...
If you absolutely cannot live without supermount, go click on the Mandrake Control Center on your desktop, go to Hardware->Mount Points, then click on the Removeable Media tab. Select your CD-ROM drive or whatever removeable drive you have and click Options. Supermount is right there. Check it, click done, save your configuration and supermount should now work.
~ Siskie
eXtremist
11-13-2001, 01:07 PM
hmm.. sounds good.. maybe I'll try it. I had to reinstall the other day, so I don't mind wiping everything now and going with 8.1
Dark Ninja
11-13-2001, 04:17 PM
What is supermount? (It may fix the problem I'm having with my CD/DVD system.)
Dark Ninja
Dark Ninja
bdg1983
11-13-2001, 05:56 PM
What is supermount?
It is an automated process for mounting removable devices like cd-roms, zip-drives ..etc
You don't have to issue commands when you put say a cdrom in a drive and try to access the files without manually issuing a command to mount the drive.
What problem are you having with your dvd player ??
Willy
It is an automated process for mounting removable devices like cd-roms, zip-drives ..etc
You don't have to issue commands when you put say a cdrom in a drive and try to access the files without manually issuing a command to mount the drive.
What problem are you having with your dvd player ??
Willy
sarah31
11-13-2001, 09:20 PM
Hello! I would recommend visiting the mandrakeuser forum and mandrake homepage. I haven't been able to install the final version due to video card issues (that aren't supposed to happen). Even though i could install the beta when I was in Konquerer I clicked on the home fast link in the menu bar and it killed my entire installtion (it mangled the partitions and i eventually just wiped the partition(s) clean).
Mandrake is nice and user friendly but I would seriously check out the problems with 8.1 before switching up from 8.0, which was far less buggy.
Mandrake is nice and user friendly but I would seriously check out the problems with 8.1 before switching up from 8.0, which was far less buggy.
Ch2i5
11-13-2001, 11:06 PM
I'm a newbie to Linux, and I love Mandrake, its made this change of Operating system so easy. Its great to use, and comes with a alot of nifty programs. I love it, and its really making me want to never go back to windows.
Linus is god, Gates is the Devil, LoL!
Linus is god, Gates is the Devil, LoL!
Siskmarek
11-13-2001, 11:33 PM
I've noticed that on fresh installs of mandrake trying to bring up a Konquerer window (like clicking the "Home" icon on your taskbar) brings about problems.
While it didn't fsck up my entire installation, it didn't let me open up konqueror, either. I solved this by cleaning up my home directory, like deleting ~./.kde and then logging out and back in again. Presto! Everything works again.
I did notice something about this above problem, though. It seems that that pesky "MandrakeFirstTime" program that comes up in a default install is the culprit. If you don't install it you have no such problems opening up konqueror for the first or any time.
So my advice is don't even bother installing MandrakeFirstTime. It will probably be something more useable in the future, but for now it's quite buggy and kind of pointless.
What I do is go through an Expert install (which doesn't require an expert at all, really) and deselect nearly every single package, keeping a choice few (like ldetect, ftp, MAKEDEV). Once everything is removed I start adding everything back on again. I usually start at Drakconf (which automatically installs all the dependencies for that package), then KDE packages, then the basic stuff I need (Gimp, XMMS, gcc...). My entire install is around 900 megs. Hefty? I guess so. But with a 30 gig hard drive to play with I really don't care. Plus it's probably comparable to a Windows install once you get all the drivers and programs you want on there, too.
By deselecting everything and only installing the packages I need, Linux runs faster than before. If I am lazy and just select the package groups and then install, KDE will take as long as 12-15 seconds to boot up with all the crap that's probably running in the background. By taking a little more time and hand-picking what I need, it only boots up in about 5 seconds.
So take a little time when you install your Mandy system! You'll be glad you did! Afterwards you can also tweak KDE to your heart's content to really make it cruise, like turning off resize animations, the arts sound server (you don't really need it any way) etc.
I'm curious, Sarah31... what video card are you using? Mandrake has great hardware detection but might goof on a few things. You can always install a basic VGA config which will work with anything and then track down drivers later. Did you check to see if your video card was compatible with Linux Mandrake on their website? Are there drivers you can download and install to make your video card work correctly?
Perhaps the x config for Mandrake is goofing up. exit the X server by becoming root and typing in "init 3" at a console and logging in as root again. Then type: $ XFree86 -configure
And XFree86 will analyze your video card and generate a config file in your /root dir. From there you can take a peek at it and fill in the modes for different depths and refresh rate on your monitor 'n such.
Test it out by: XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new
If it works, great! If not, read the X log and see what went wrong so you can get an idea of how to go about fixing it. Change the config again, test again and see if it works. When it finally does, copy it over to /etc/X11/ and overwrite XF86Config-4 and feel good about yourself when you type in "init 5" at your console and a graphical login screen comes up!
~ Siskie
While it didn't fsck up my entire installation, it didn't let me open up konqueror, either. I solved this by cleaning up my home directory, like deleting ~./.kde and then logging out and back in again. Presto! Everything works again.
I did notice something about this above problem, though. It seems that that pesky "MandrakeFirstTime" program that comes up in a default install is the culprit. If you don't install it you have no such problems opening up konqueror for the first or any time.
So my advice is don't even bother installing MandrakeFirstTime. It will probably be something more useable in the future, but for now it's quite buggy and kind of pointless.
What I do is go through an Expert install (which doesn't require an expert at all, really) and deselect nearly every single package, keeping a choice few (like ldetect, ftp, MAKEDEV). Once everything is removed I start adding everything back on again. I usually start at Drakconf (which automatically installs all the dependencies for that package), then KDE packages, then the basic stuff I need (Gimp, XMMS, gcc...). My entire install is around 900 megs. Hefty? I guess so. But with a 30 gig hard drive to play with I really don't care. Plus it's probably comparable to a Windows install once you get all the drivers and programs you want on there, too.
By deselecting everything and only installing the packages I need, Linux runs faster than before. If I am lazy and just select the package groups and then install, KDE will take as long as 12-15 seconds to boot up with all the crap that's probably running in the background. By taking a little more time and hand-picking what I need, it only boots up in about 5 seconds.
So take a little time when you install your Mandy system! You'll be glad you did! Afterwards you can also tweak KDE to your heart's content to really make it cruise, like turning off resize animations, the arts sound server (you don't really need it any way) etc.
I'm curious, Sarah31... what video card are you using? Mandrake has great hardware detection but might goof on a few things. You can always install a basic VGA config which will work with anything and then track down drivers later. Did you check to see if your video card was compatible with Linux Mandrake on their website? Are there drivers you can download and install to make your video card work correctly?
Perhaps the x config for Mandrake is goofing up. exit the X server by becoming root and typing in "init 3" at a console and logging in as root again. Then type: $ XFree86 -configure
And XFree86 will analyze your video card and generate a config file in your /root dir. From there you can take a peek at it and fill in the modes for different depths and refresh rate on your monitor 'n such.
Test it out by: XFree86 -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new
If it works, great! If not, read the X log and see what went wrong so you can get an idea of how to go about fixing it. Change the config again, test again and see if it works. When it finally does, copy it over to /etc/X11/ and overwrite XF86Config-4 and feel good about yourself when you type in "init 5" at your console and a graphical login screen comes up!
~ Siskie
sarah31
11-14-2001, 02:45 AM
The card I have is that pesky VIA S3 Savage4 onboard card. *.1 is the first Mandrake that I haven't been able to install. No matter what I choose in the configure x part of the install it freezes. If I choose the earlier XFree86 it freezes (didn't in 7.2 or 8)no matter what I try it won't work.
The only other problem that I had with the card in the earlier version of Mandrake was the fact that because Mandrake didn't fully recognize the card I wasn't able to use the 4xAGP capabilities of the card. I really dislike 8.1 (both the beta and the uninstallable final) and I will probably just reinstall 8.0 which I am happy enough with. If you could provide me with the details of how I can port over the S3 Savage4 drivers that I have seen on the web I would be greatful. As well, do you know how I can replace gcc 2.96 with either the earlier versions or, what is it now, 3.01? This may be fairly simple stuff but I don't get all that much time to work in Linux so the learning process is slow.(I know enough though that I am not very happy, as are some of my more knowledgeable friends, with the latest Mandrake.)
By the way, if you ever take a really hard look at the Mandrake home site for the list of compatable hardware you will notice that very few hardware items are certified or tested/being test by Mandrake people. The rest are listed as compatable because some joe-six pack managed to install it on his machine. That my friends really is not impressive at all :mad:
[ 14 November 2001: Message edited by: sarah31 ]
The only other problem that I had with the card in the earlier version of Mandrake was the fact that because Mandrake didn't fully recognize the card I wasn't able to use the 4xAGP capabilities of the card. I really dislike 8.1 (both the beta and the uninstallable final) and I will probably just reinstall 8.0 which I am happy enough with. If you could provide me with the details of how I can port over the S3 Savage4 drivers that I have seen on the web I would be greatful. As well, do you know how I can replace gcc 2.96 with either the earlier versions or, what is it now, 3.01? This may be fairly simple stuff but I don't get all that much time to work in Linux so the learning process is slow.(I know enough though that I am not very happy, as are some of my more knowledgeable friends, with the latest Mandrake.)
By the way, if you ever take a really hard look at the Mandrake home site for the list of compatable hardware you will notice that very few hardware items are certified or tested/being test by Mandrake people. The rest are listed as compatable because some joe-six pack managed to install it on his machine. That my friends really is not impressive at all :mad:
[ 14 November 2001: Message edited by: sarah31 ]
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