Piko
05-28-2006, 11:11 PM
If any of you are SuSE fans, you may have installed SuSE 10.1. OpenSuSE, or normal it doesn't mater, becuase your most likely already hating ZMD, rug, Zenworks, Zen-updater, and all this other new package management crap.
On paper Zenworks, and ZYPP library sound like a great idea, and you'd think it could only make a great distro better. Being able to make custom update points. Not only will it update the base packages, but also packages of other sources your subscribed to like SuSE Guru, or your own home made RPMs, and YUM repos.
To bad it doesn't WORK!!!
Fist off, the zen updater gui doesn't show all the updates, and when it does, it won't install them. You'll get some insane ZMD back trace error. So you go into the command line, and punch in rug update. It works, but the next time you go to change your sources in Yast it craps out. Now your screwed becuase it's mucked up the /var/lib/zypp, and /var/lib/zmd databases, so you have to start from scratch. Oh yeah, forget about installing RPMs on your hard drive with Yast anymore. It will tell you the source can't be found, becuase ZYPP only looks for the package's source in the catalogs you subscribe. So your going to have to rpm -i EVERYTHING. Also you can't use the good old system updater from 10.0 to 10.1, becuase the updater configuration system will think you don't have a SuSE system installed to register to the updater.
The one reason I loved SuSE was becuase it just god damn worked. Now it doesn't...
Though I don't have the heart to leave just yet, I'll give Novell, and the OpenSuSE team time to fix this, before I go running to the Ubuntu band wagon. Though I really think the release of a SuSE 10.1, without a functional updater, and package manager was premature.
Been using SuSE since 6.1, I hope they can fix this. ZYPP is good, it's just still buggy as all hell though.
Sorry I needed a rant.
On paper Zenworks, and ZYPP library sound like a great idea, and you'd think it could only make a great distro better. Being able to make custom update points. Not only will it update the base packages, but also packages of other sources your subscribed to like SuSE Guru, or your own home made RPMs, and YUM repos.
To bad it doesn't WORK!!!
Fist off, the zen updater gui doesn't show all the updates, and when it does, it won't install them. You'll get some insane ZMD back trace error. So you go into the command line, and punch in rug update. It works, but the next time you go to change your sources in Yast it craps out. Now your screwed becuase it's mucked up the /var/lib/zypp, and /var/lib/zmd databases, so you have to start from scratch. Oh yeah, forget about installing RPMs on your hard drive with Yast anymore. It will tell you the source can't be found, becuase ZYPP only looks for the package's source in the catalogs you subscribe. So your going to have to rpm -i EVERYTHING. Also you can't use the good old system updater from 10.0 to 10.1, becuase the updater configuration system will think you don't have a SuSE system installed to register to the updater.
The one reason I loved SuSE was becuase it just god damn worked. Now it doesn't...
Though I don't have the heart to leave just yet, I'll give Novell, and the OpenSuSE team time to fix this, before I go running to the Ubuntu band wagon. Though I really think the release of a SuSE 10.1, without a functional updater, and package manager was premature.
Been using SuSE since 6.1, I hope they can fix this. ZYPP is good, it's just still buggy as all hell though.
Sorry I needed a rant.