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For my birthday I just recieved a new AMD Athlon-XP 2600+ and after I had installed it and booted up I noticed that it was WAY under speed. So I went into the bios and it was set at 100/100 (because previous processor wouldn't run at 133/133) So I set it up to full speed (133/133) and rebooted once more. Specs came up and it said it was running at 2000+, definatly way to slow. Once more went into the bios and set it up to 166/133 but before I even saved it I decided to go ahead and check on the temperature. It was reading at 50 C, a little hotter than my previous processor but I wasn't that worried. But I noticed it slowely climbing, until it reachde 55 C which at that point it promptly froze. More than a little scared I forced my baby down, removed the heatsink and processor, redid the heatsink compound, and reinstalled the processor and heatsink. Waited about an hour to let it fully cool down, then started it back up........nothing came to the monitor and after about 3 seconds my computer just turned off. Turned it back on and after 3 more seconds it turned off. Scared I had fried either my motherboard or my new processor I threw my old processor in there and everything worked fine.
Now what I really want to know is why did it fry? I did some reading up on Athlon 2600+'s and it seems that they should run fine up to temperatures of even 61 C, so I'm pretty sure that didn't fry it. I also did some reading in my motherboard manual and it said that my board supported processors up to 2600+ with a 266MHz FSB, my new one had a 400Mhz, will this really cause problems? Or is this the reason for it not running at full speed? And one more thing I looke it is how much power the 2600+'s require, and if I'm correct they require almost no mroe than the 2200's.
Does anyone see any thing I have missed to why it might have fried? Or can anyone confirm what I have said?
Thanks
bsm2001
01-16-2005, 03:15 PM
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119086&highlight=fried+Processor
Arjay
01-16-2005, 03:17 PM
I don't know much about this stuff but what i do know is your processor should able to take much higher temps than that. My laptop processor (AMD 1500+) for example runs at around 50c. When i am compiling it can go up to around 75c. I checked up on the safe temps and it should be good up to about 90c. My desktop (AMD 2200) runs at 36c with a bigger fan than the one that came with it. It also has thermal compound applied to the heatsink and cpu core.
Sorry i can't answer the other stuff though.
Cheers
Originally posted by bsm2001
http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119086&highlight=fried+Processor
I tried resetting the CMOS also (just forgot to say that) and it made no difference.
gehidore
01-16-2005, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by Hmse
I tried resetting the CMOS also (just forgot to say that) and it made no difference.
That is the first thing you *should* have done.
Why? Do you mean before I even installed the processor the first time?
m3rlin
01-16-2005, 07:32 PM
what gehidore is saying, is before you setup up the new processor, you should reset your BIOS, so that the new processor doesn't run with the previous configurations of the old processor. thats allways the first thing you should do.
Check under the processor or behind, usualy there is a small papper stick, if its burned.... well you burned your processor.
Check your motherboard manual, and configure the switches to recive your new processor, go to the bios and reset it. Now you configure the BIOS for your new processor.
Is your cooling system apropried for your new processor?
you MUST check if your cooling system is apropried for the new processor, because he may no be powerful to cool down your system.
I have a AMD XP 1800+ running at 30ºC in full load, sometimes during the summer, at 40ºC, but for safety i configured my BIOS to shutdown when the processor TEMP is at 73ºC
I have this tempertures, because i use a water cooling system, it is very good, keeps your system cool, almost no noise.
Maybe you should check one for your self.
But don't forget, Clear your BIOS configuration, Configure your motherboard switches, Check if the cooling system is apropried to your processor, make sure that he is correctly plug on the processor, and use Silver heatsink.
I never knew that I should reset the bios for a new processor.
What do you mean a paper stick? Do you mean sticker? If so, then I don't think I burned the processor for the little bit of paper that was on the back isn't even scorched.
Are there any other switches on the motherboard besides the jumper to clear the CMOS that I should change before I install a new processor?
My cooling system isn't really that great for the new processor, but I have just ordered a much better heatsink and fan.
Maybe you should check one for your self.
I would except that my budget is a little tight.
Silver heatsink.
Do you mean Silver Heatsink compound?
One more thing. Will it really cause problems other than speed if the motherboard doesn't support more than a 266mHz FSB and the processor has a 400Mhz?
cybertron
01-16-2005, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Hmse
One more thing. Will it really cause problems other than speed if the motherboard doesn't support more than a 266mHz FSB and the processor has a 400Mhz?
It probably shouldn't, but if the multiplier is locked on the CPU you won't be able to run it anywhere near full speed. If the highest your motherboard will support on the FSB is 266 and your processor expects to run at 400, then you'll have to compensate by setting the multiplier higher (FSB x mulitplier = speed in Mhz). I suppose changing the multiplier could cause instability, but I think that as long as its running at its rated speed or lower it should be fine. I could be wrong about that though.
However, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you set it to 166/133. Is that the CPU/Mem frequency? If so you're running them out of sync which is probably not going to work well. Also, 166 = 333 FSB (166 x 2, I'm not sure why but that's the way it is - has something to do with DDR RAM I imagine), so that's higher than your motherboard is supposed to be going, which could also be a problem. I also note that in looking at the 2600+ on NewEgg it's supposed to be a 333 FSB processor (which would make sense to me since the 2500 and 2800 are too). Where did you see that it was 400?
Incidentally, I highly doubt that you fried your processor at only 55 C. That's just not that hot that it should be able to cause permanent damage. Heck, my processor was briefly running hotter than that and I had no problems with it. I also don't think that heat is your only problem here for that reason.
I don't know if any of that will help, but hopefully it will. It might be good for you to post your full specs in case it's your RAM or something that doesn't like running with your new processor.
bwkaz
01-16-2005, 11:29 PM
Static electricity possibly? I've heard you can fry some silicon with as little static electricity as 200V (you need VERY little current), and you won't even feel a zap as you fry whatever you touch, at that level. But it depends on the isolation voltages of whatever chip you have, and I don't know what those are for sure.
If your case was plugged in when you opened it, though, and you touched some piece of metal inside before touching anything else, then that should have grounded you well enough, and static shouldn't be an issue.
If your case doesn't allow you to keep it plugged in while you open it, then you probably have a Dell Optiplex case (:p), and you should get another one (:p). Actually, not really -- you can unplug it to open it, then plug it back in once the cover is off, touch some metal on the inside, then either leave it plugged in or unplug it again, until you're done.
gehidore
01-16-2005, 11:49 PM
I just thought of something, recently a friend of mine was sent a dual MP mobo with procs and ram, I was first sent the board to test and verify that it was working, I was then to send the mobo out to him and the money off to the seller.
Everything was perfect, I cleaned both procs checked them for cracks and packed everything. When he got it, put it together, and fired it up nothing happened. As it turns out he had placed the heatsinks on backwards (remember that little (well, big) notch? and cracked both sides of both procs cores. Nice little fight is still going on about this...
He then purchased a nice little athlon board and a 2800+ Barton, same thing happened. He went though two more returns and finally brought the board to me I noticed how it happened (he now knows why).
Mabe the same happened to you?
However, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that you set it to 166/133. Is that the CPU/Mem frequency? If so you're running them out of sync which is probably not going to work well. Also, 166 = 333 FSB (166 x 2, I'm not sure why but that's the way it is - has something to do with DDR RAM I imagine), so that's higher than your motherboard is supposed to be going, which could also be a problem. I also note that in looking at the 2600+ on NewEgg it's supposed to be a 333 FSB processor (which would make sense to me since the 2500 and 2800 are too). Where did you see that it was 400?
166/133 refers to the processor speed, when set at 133/133 it should be set at full speed, 166/133 is overclocking. As to what it means exactly I'm not sure. Now I'm a little confused on whether this thing has a 333MHz FSB or a 400, because on the description it says both. Here check it out>>http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA03069
My specs:
K7S5A Pro mainboard
x2 256 Kingston DDR ram
Maxtor 40 gig
Western Digitall 120 gig
dvd/cdrw
Not really sure how to go into much more detail.
Static electricity possibly?
very highly doubt it as I have not a scrap of carpet in my house (all wood floor) and as I never touched a piece of clothe the whole time, or barely anyway.
Mabe the same happened to you?
Nope The heatsink is most definatly hooked on correctly as there is no way I would have been able to get it latched down backwards.
Something else I'm wondering.........In my mainboard manual it said that it "currently supports up to 2600, 266MHz FSB" does that mean that a bios update might fix that part of the issue?
soulestream
01-17-2005, 12:31 AM
this may sound a little weird being as it (kinda) worked once, but have you checked to make sure your bios supports that processor. you may need to do a bios upgrade. It could have worked on a lower setting but not when you upped/reinstalled it. for my mobo to go from 100 to 133 i had to flash the bios.
soule
edit: guess i should read more
yes check for a bios update
soule
cybertron
01-17-2005, 12:54 AM
I think it's 333. The description seems to be a generic ad for AMD stuff in general, which does go up to 400. I'd say the correct settings for it would be 166 x 11.5, but your motherboard doesn't support that and I suspect it won't let you overclock it that much (but that's open to debate of course). I'd say what you should go for is getting it running at 133 x 11.5, which would put the clock speed at about 1.53 Ghz. That's quite a bit slower than the 1.9 a 2600+ should be getting, but it's the highest it will go with manufacturer recommended settings on your hardware. That may not fix the problem, but hopefully knowing what the settings should be will help. Maybe try flashing your BIOS first, like soulestream suggested.
rocketpcguy
01-17-2005, 02:12 AM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050102084049.html
Stupid Boy
01-17-2005, 11:10 AM
You should also mention that your CPU is a mobile CPU. It happens to be the exact one that I have.
The frontside bus is double-pumped. Therefore, the 266Mhz FSB is really 133Mhz. Therefore, you can set the FSB to 200Mhz.
What is your mobo's chipset?
I have an NF7-S Rev 2.0. The CPU automatically was set to the wrong speed because mobiles start slowly so they can save power.
1. Did you try setting it to the settings listed Newegg?
2. If you have an older chipset, perhaps you didn't change the I-forgot-what-it's-called-but-it's-the-thing-that-determines-the ratio-of-speed-between-the-CPU-and-the-video-card-and-stuff.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...0102084049.html Lol, wow.
You should also mention that your CPU is a mobile CPU. It happens to be the exact one that I have.
Mine is not a mobile CPU, but the chipset is a K7S5A Pro REV: 5.0
1. Did you try setting it to the settings listed Newegg?
2. If you have an older chipset, perhaps you didn't change the I-forgot-what-it's-called-but-it's-the-thing-that-determines-the ratio-of-speed-between-the-CPU-and-the-video-card-and-stuff.
What do you mean by the settigns listed Newegg? Umm, someone enlighten me on what it is that determines the speed between video card and processor.
Well I've ordered a new heatsink, so as soon as that arrives I'll do more testing, but in the meantime if any of you have anymroe ideas of things to try that'd be awesome.
cybertron
01-18-2005, 01:44 AM
I'd just say play around in the BIOS and try changing some of the settings. You can always reset it if something gets messed up badly. Unfortunately every BIOS is different so it's hard to say exactly what option you're looking for.
Lucas_Maximus
01-18-2005, 11:02 AM
is your processor a throughbred B 2600+ or a barton 2600+? Can't remember whether an athlon XP throughbred B runs at 133 or 166 FSB. All bartons except the 3000+ and 3200+ all run at 166 FSB.
If your motherboard or ram doesn't support PC2700 Ram or better than you can only run the chip underclocked. otherwise you eb overclocking the motherboard.
I'd just say play around in the BIOS and try changing some of the settings. You can always reset it if something gets messed up badly. Unfortunately every BIOS is different so it's hard to say exactly what option you're looking for.
Well, the problem is this, I can't even boot my computer up with the new processor, or at least I couldn't last try before I swapped it back to the old one.
is your processor a throughbred B 2600+ or a barton 2600+? Can't remember whether an athlon XP throughbred B runs at 133 or 166 FSB. All bartons except the 3000+ and 3200+ all run at 166 FSB.
If your motherboard or ram doesn't support PC2700 Ram or better than you can only run the chip underclocked. otherwise you eb overclocking the motherboard.
As far as I know it is throughbred, not one hundred percent sure.
As far as I know my board can support up to PC2700. What would happen if it couldn't and I had something faster that nthat in there? Would it crash the comp if the processor was not underclocked?
cybertron
01-18-2005, 03:43 PM
I didn't realize that they made a TBred 2600, I thought the 2400 and 2700 were the only thoroughbred processors in that range. I guess I was wrong:) Edit: Try looking up your processor on the list here: http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/K7_Electrical_Specification_Rev_ENG.pdf That should let you know exactly what speed it should be running at. There are a bunch of different versions of the 2600, so you'll have to match part numbers I guess.
If you can't even POST far enough to get to the BIOS, then I'd suspect something is wrong with the hardware. Do you know anyone with a socket A motherboard who would let you test it out in their computer? It's hard to say for certain, but since the new processor should be able to run at a lower FSB speed correctly (albeit at a lower overall speed as well), I'd suspect maybe you just got a bad one.
One other thing, when it fails to boot with the new processor, are there any beeps? A beep code might help you figure out what's wrong if there is one. You can usually look up what they mean on the motherboard manufacturers website.
My best friend has the identical board as I, as does another friend of mine, and I believe my brother does to, I'll see about testing it in one of those.
There were no beeps.
Ok my brother's motherboard is a socket A board so I will test the new processor in there and get back to you guys later today.
wait......I just realized, I don't know exactly waht you mean by socket A, is that the same as 462pin? Or am I totally off?
gehidore
01-18-2005, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Hmse
wait......I just realized, I don't know exactly waht you mean by socket A, is that the same as 462pin? Or am I totally off?
Socket A == Socket 462.
Ok good, that's what mine is. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to cause more damage;)
wOOt!
Just through my 2600 in my brother's computer and it works great, and I also through his 2400 into my computer and it works great, though it definatly gets a little hotter than my old one . . . . I booted up and a couple minutes later rebooted after putting some load on the processor to check the temperature . . . whoa!!! 78 C! Now someone slap me please! I opened the case up and holy crap I forgot to plug the cpu fan back in! My heatsink was to hot to touch, so for the last 20 minutes it's been sitting on my pillow under my bedside fan cooling down.
Offically the dumbest thing I've ever done. Luckily I shut down when I did.
So yeah my brother and I are just going to swap processors. Maybe 2400 isn't as fast as 2600 but as I couldn't even run the 2600 at full speed . . . and 2400 is ALOT faster than 1500.
Thanks for the help guys
enshum
01-19-2005, 01:03 AM
I use the same board as you have running a 1.8 duron with no problems. You might want to check if the hsf is seated properly on the cpu. Okay I went into the bios and checked the settings you listed 133/133 or 166/133 would be the dram/cpu freq. settings.
rocketpcguy
01-19-2005, 01:32 AM
your brother is lucky!
In which way, that he gets a faster processor? or that I didn't fry his processor?
gehidore
01-19-2005, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Hmse
In which way, that he gets a faster processor? or that I didn't fry his processor?
Both.
rocketpcguy
01-20-2005, 01:31 AM
er, because he got a new processor.
bigmac99
01-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Hmse
In which way, that he gets a faster processor? or that I didn't fry his processor?
both....
Charles
Yeah we both kinda got a good deal (though I think he got the better:rolleyes: ) I'm just glad to up my processor from a 1500 to a 2400. Big difference. Also I can now run Doom3:D