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04-23-2005, 06:59 PM
Multimedia codecs and some libs aren't included due to licencing issues. Don't yell at Ubuntu about it, yell at the owners of these formats to make their licences better.
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jefjj01
04-23-2005, 07:42 PM
Don't yell at Ubuntu about it, yell at the owners of these formats to make their licences better
That is what people are saying. This has been an ongoing theme in this thread. Ubuntu has hit a new level of user friendliness and for many the only thing holding back the experience is lack of multimedia right off the bat. The instructions are easy enough to follow...at least for a person comfortable with doing a few relatively simple commands.
That is what people are saying. This has been an ongoing theme in this thread. Ubuntu has hit a new level of user friendliness and for many the only thing holding back the experience is lack of multimedia right off the bat. The instructions are easy enough to follow...at least for a person comfortable with doing a few relatively simple commands.
Sepero
04-24-2005, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by jefjj01
That is what people are saying. This has been an ongoing theme in this thread. Ubuntu has hit a new level of user friendliness and for many the only thing holding back the experience is lack of multimedia right off the bat. The instructions are easy enough to follow...at least for a person comfortable with doing a few relatively simple commands. Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
That is what people are saying. This has been an ongoing theme in this thread. Ubuntu has hit a new level of user friendliness and for many the only thing holding back the experience is lack of multimedia right off the bat. The instructions are easy enough to follow...at least for a person comfortable with doing a few relatively simple commands. Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
Rinias
04-24-2005, 11:39 AM
Ubuntu, Ubuntu!
It was great to see it install. It still boots up pretty well. Multimedia seems to work (even with no script- just synaptics and multiverse/universe). But there are things I don't like...
First, I'm on an AMD 64 laptop. I've got an nforce3 mobo. After buying a new DSL modem so that I could have internet and update, etc things improved. Had to get a modem/router combo cause the modem I had which worked in 32-bit refused to install on 64... Anyway...
Things that bother me are the Flash 64 plugin in synaptic which kills firefox if the site has flash. Multimedia (.mpg .mpeg .avi) playback that is just "off". I mean, I'm watching a clip where the drummer hits the cymbol and half a second later it resounds... Or Robin Williams makes a farting sound during his stand-up and you see it before your hear it- in fact he's already miming something else at that point. Same problem with DVDs.
And my harman/kardon speakers are only in stereo- the two closest to the monitor don't get anything. And that's after I installed the nforce drivers, set them up, and tried all the configs. One thing I hate about GNOME is the seeming lack of a "control center". I can never seem to find anything where I can change the options of the hardware. I'm installing KDE at the moment.
The desktop is great- nice and clean. HAL works well (why can't we change stuff in the HAL daemon? Why does the device manager not manage? It's more like the device log...) It's clean, but it feels like if there should be a problem you can't fix with installing/removing something in synaptic you're screwed...
Nonetheless, internet is working. I've been going into Linux to use the net cause Windows is really sucking recently. Either that or the DSL connection is screwed- though it works in Linux and the router says that all's good.
Oh, and I cahnged something in synaptic and now I get an infinite number of error messages with alsa and amixer. I don't know why. Before I had the happy little drum sound when GDM started up and now I have silence (though audio works fine in GNOME...)
It's a good distro. I'm gonna stick with it for a while (esp cause of the AMD64 and my dislike of Gentoo). I hope I can get it set up the way I want, cause it would make a great desktop mainbox for doing the mundane things normal people do with their computers... :D
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It was great to see it install. It still boots up pretty well. Multimedia seems to work (even with no script- just synaptics and multiverse/universe). But there are things I don't like...
First, I'm on an AMD 64 laptop. I've got an nforce3 mobo. After buying a new DSL modem so that I could have internet and update, etc things improved. Had to get a modem/router combo cause the modem I had which worked in 32-bit refused to install on 64... Anyway...
Things that bother me are the Flash 64 plugin in synaptic which kills firefox if the site has flash. Multimedia (.mpg .mpeg .avi) playback that is just "off". I mean, I'm watching a clip where the drummer hits the cymbol and half a second later it resounds... Or Robin Williams makes a farting sound during his stand-up and you see it before your hear it- in fact he's already miming something else at that point. Same problem with DVDs.
And my harman/kardon speakers are only in stereo- the two closest to the monitor don't get anything. And that's after I installed the nforce drivers, set them up, and tried all the configs. One thing I hate about GNOME is the seeming lack of a "control center". I can never seem to find anything where I can change the options of the hardware. I'm installing KDE at the moment.
The desktop is great- nice and clean. HAL works well (why can't we change stuff in the HAL daemon? Why does the device manager not manage? It's more like the device log...) It's clean, but it feels like if there should be a problem you can't fix with installing/removing something in synaptic you're screwed...
Nonetheless, internet is working. I've been going into Linux to use the net cause Windows is really sucking recently. Either that or the DSL connection is screwed- though it works in Linux and the router says that all's good.
Oh, and I cahnged something in synaptic and now I get an infinite number of error messages with alsa and amixer. I don't know why. Before I had the happy little drum sound when GDM started up and now I have silence (though audio works fine in GNOME...)
It's a good distro. I'm gonna stick with it for a while (esp cause of the AMD64 and my dislike of Gentoo). I hope I can get it set up the way I want, cause it would make a great desktop mainbox for doing the mundane things normal people do with their computers... :D
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hard candy
04-24-2005, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
Will not happen, proprietary software involved. Windows and Macs make you download and install all that themselves, and they can afford licenses if they wanted.
Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
Will not happen, proprietary software involved. Windows and Macs make you download and install all that themselves, and they can afford licenses if they wanted.
Sgood1971
04-24-2005, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
That was what I was trying to say in my previous post. There are actually 2 scripts, 1 for warty and 1 for hoary. you can find them on the Ubuntu forums. My only beef is that they aren't sticky where they are easy for people to find. (Or at least they weren't when I set mine up a few weeks ago.) I don't remember if they do Flash or not, but they do everything else.
Something that might be even MORE user friendly is if someone wrote a script or program that automatically installed multimedia support.
One prog that auto installed multimedia, Java, Flash, etc. No configuring at all. Bingo! Now that's user friendly; that's the power of Linux! I would love to see that.
That was what I was trying to say in my previous post. There are actually 2 scripts, 1 for warty and 1 for hoary. you can find them on the Ubuntu forums. My only beef is that they aren't sticky where they are easy for people to find. (Or at least they weren't when I set mine up a few weeks ago.) I don't remember if they do Flash or not, but they do everything else.
Sgood1971
05-04-2005, 05:50 PM
Correction, they are sticky now.
Here's (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=multimedia) the link for the script. If you have problems, read through the post as many have been solved.
Here's (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=multimedia) the link for the script. If you have problems, read through the post as many have been solved.
Sepero
05-04-2005, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by hard candy
Will not happen, proprietary software involved. Windows and Macs make you download and install all that themselves, and they can afford licenses if they wanted. Why would you say that? It's nonsense.
GPL only prevents the combined distribution of Free and Non-Free Software. It doesn't prevent autoinstallation at a later time. This is per user discretion.
Much thanks for the link SGood.
Will not happen, proprietary software involved. Windows and Macs make you download and install all that themselves, and they can afford licenses if they wanted. Why would you say that? It's nonsense.
GPL only prevents the combined distribution of Free and Non-Free Software. It doesn't prevent autoinstallation at a later time. This is per user discretion.
Much thanks for the link SGood.
Hayl
05-04-2005, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
Why would you say that? It's nonsense.
GPL only prevents the combined distribution of Free and Non-Free Software. It doesn't prevent autoinstallation at a later time. This is per user discretion.
Much thanks for the link SGood.
the GPL doesn't block it but potentially the license of the software/plugin/whtatever being installed _does_ block it.
For example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it.
Why would you say that? It's nonsense.
GPL only prevents the combined distribution of Free and Non-Free Software. It doesn't prevent autoinstallation at a later time. This is per user discretion.
Much thanks for the link SGood.
the GPL doesn't block it but potentially the license of the software/plugin/whtatever being installed _does_ block it.
For example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it.
Sepero
05-04-2005, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Hayl
the GPL doesn't block it but potentially the license of the software/plugin/whtatever being installed _does_ block it.
For example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it. I see. I didn't know that about Sun Java. I've heard that Gentoo does allow emerging of other proprietary software, so that would likely make it a result of Sun's licensing and not the GPL.
Though, I wonder if the Gentoo devs might be just taking a little bit extreme (Debian-ish) Free Software stance on the issue. When the user is in complete control, it is a highly trivial difference between:
'voluntary manual install'
and
'voluntary auto install'.
Essentially, a script IS a manual installation. The only difference is that a script is a manual version that has been 'recorded' earlier in time.
the GPL doesn't block it but potentially the license of the software/plugin/whtatever being installed _does_ block it.
For example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it. I see. I didn't know that about Sun Java. I've heard that Gentoo does allow emerging of other proprietary software, so that would likely make it a result of Sun's licensing and not the GPL.
Though, I wonder if the Gentoo devs might be just taking a little bit extreme (Debian-ish) Free Software stance on the issue. When the user is in complete control, it is a highly trivial difference between:
'voluntary manual install'
and
'voluntary auto install'.
Essentially, a script IS a manual installation. The only difference is that a script is a manual version that has been 'recorded' earlier in time.
MorphiusFaydal
05-06-2005, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Hayl
tFor example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it.
actually, you can, but you have to manually download the packages from sun and then put them in /usr/portgae/distfiles
tFor example,,, in gentoo you can not emerge the sun java jre/sdk, etc. because the sun licenses on those products prohibit it.
actually, you can, but you have to manually download the packages from sun and then put them in /usr/portgae/distfiles
Malkosha
05-06-2005, 10:23 AM
I'm trying Ubuntu and I don't get it ... what I mean is I don’t get the "it just works" thing.
While I understand the philosophy of only using free software, which precludes the use of Java, flash etc, it makes the "works out of the box" scenario untrue. Yes, you can load these things in, but you can do that in any distro. Mepis, IMO, is the only Deb clone that I know of that can make the claim “works out of the box” because it really does work out of the box including the 3D drivers for both ATI and Nvidia cards. Noobs like me don’t give a rats butt about philosophy; we want something that really works as advertised.
Also, gnome is sad when it comes to usability. While moving around in gnome is a no branier, it is horrible in the simplest of ways. For instance, I used apt-get to download some games for the family and guess what ... they never showed up on the menu. This is strictly a gnome thing because their menu system has changed and some of the older (read most) of the packages don't understand it. Not having to manually install programs to the menu after an install is stuff that KDE has down to a science. I thought about using Kubuntu, but I’ve heard that it’s still based on their gnome system with KDE 3.4 added on and I’ve heard some other negative things about it as well. For instance … no firefox? Weird for a new distro if you ask me.
Ubuntu isn't a bad distro, in fact it’s very fast and smooth, but it’s hardly the greatest in the land. Even now I'm looking for something that "just works" and doesn't have the gnome interface in it ... or at least has a decent KDE build attached. Except for Mepis, which doesn't have the source or headers available in their 3.3 build (which I need to install cisco vpn) I haven't found it yet. I guess I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
Oh how I wish that FC3 had a better apt/yum than what they do.
While I understand the philosophy of only using free software, which precludes the use of Java, flash etc, it makes the "works out of the box" scenario untrue. Yes, you can load these things in, but you can do that in any distro. Mepis, IMO, is the only Deb clone that I know of that can make the claim “works out of the box” because it really does work out of the box including the 3D drivers for both ATI and Nvidia cards. Noobs like me don’t give a rats butt about philosophy; we want something that really works as advertised.
Also, gnome is sad when it comes to usability. While moving around in gnome is a no branier, it is horrible in the simplest of ways. For instance, I used apt-get to download some games for the family and guess what ... they never showed up on the menu. This is strictly a gnome thing because their menu system has changed and some of the older (read most) of the packages don't understand it. Not having to manually install programs to the menu after an install is stuff that KDE has down to a science. I thought about using Kubuntu, but I’ve heard that it’s still based on their gnome system with KDE 3.4 added on and I’ve heard some other negative things about it as well. For instance … no firefox? Weird for a new distro if you ask me.
Ubuntu isn't a bad distro, in fact it’s very fast and smooth, but it’s hardly the greatest in the land. Even now I'm looking for something that "just works" and doesn't have the gnome interface in it ... or at least has a decent KDE build attached. Except for Mepis, which doesn't have the source or headers available in their 3.3 build (which I need to install cisco vpn) I haven't found it yet. I guess I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
Oh how I wish that FC3 had a better apt/yum than what they do.
Sgood1971
05-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Malkosha
Except for Mepis, which doesn't have the source or headers available in their 3.3 build (which I need to install cisco vpn) I haven't found it yet. I guess I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
Source and headers are available, they are named different and I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but check the mepis and/or mepislovers forums. If you search around, the answer is there.
Except for Mepis, which doesn't have the source or headers available in their 3.3 build (which I need to install cisco vpn) I haven't found it yet. I guess I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t.
Source and headers are available, they are named different and I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but check the mepis and/or mepislovers forums. If you search around, the answer is there.
Malkosha
05-06-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Sgood1971
Source and headers are available, they are named different and I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but check the mepis and/or mepislovers forums. If you search around, the answer is there.
Ah! The old "seek and ye shall find" thing. :o
ThX!!
Source and headers are available, they are named different and I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but check the mepis and/or mepislovers forums. If you search around, the answer is there.
Ah! The old "seek and ye shall find" thing. :o
ThX!!
Syngin
05-06-2005, 11:53 AM
Has anyone used Ubuntu as primarily a server? I'm looking for a Debian-based distro to use as a server but, occasionally as a desktop (g/f needs inet access occasionally and is always kicking me off my main system :P)
My main criteria:
1) Minimal bloat: I'm a big fan of a bare minimal system from the start and then going from there. I've tried Libranet before and liked it apart from the bloat.
2) Good hardware detection (monitor detection if possible) This monitor I was going to use is an old 17" and I know nothing about its specs except that it'll do 1024x768.
3) X-Windows installs easily.
I'd go with just Debian Sarge except that the last 2 have presented problems in the past.
What's access like to the Ubuntu apt sources? I hear its a nightmare if you try mixing Ubuntu / normal Debian packages?
My main criteria:
1) Minimal bloat: I'm a big fan of a bare minimal system from the start and then going from there. I've tried Libranet before and liked it apart from the bloat.
2) Good hardware detection (monitor detection if possible) This monitor I was going to use is an old 17" and I know nothing about its specs except that it'll do 1024x768.
3) X-Windows installs easily.
I'd go with just Debian Sarge except that the last 2 have presented problems in the past.
What's access like to the Ubuntu apt sources? I hear its a nightmare if you try mixing Ubuntu / normal Debian packages?
Sgood1971
05-06-2005, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Malkosha
Ah! The old "seek and ye shall find" thing. :o
ThX!!
LOL Yes:D
I had more time, so I searched Mepislovers (http://www.mepislovers.org) and found this (http://www.mepislovers.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6475&forum=9&post_id=46820&PHPSESSID=566367f0ac5915aa72588cd90956c273) link which is dealing with installing VMware, but the source and headers are still needed.
There is no kernel-source-2.6.10 package for the mepis kernel as far as I know. It's a generic one.
and
To get the kernel headers for the mepis one, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.10 and then open terminal and type su to become root then type: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux
hth
Ah! The old "seek and ye shall find" thing. :o
ThX!!
LOL Yes:D
I had more time, so I searched Mepislovers (http://www.mepislovers.org) and found this (http://www.mepislovers.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6475&forum=9&post_id=46820&PHPSESSID=566367f0ac5915aa72588cd90956c273) link which is dealing with installing VMware, but the source and headers are still needed.
There is no kernel-source-2.6.10 package for the mepis kernel as far as I know. It's a generic one.
and
To get the kernel headers for the mepis one, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.10 and then open terminal and type su to become root then type: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux
hth
bigmac99
05-06-2005, 04:53 PM
Just wanted to stop and say that after installing Suse 8.x, 9.0, 9.1, Novell Linux Desktop, etc...that I have finally found Ubuntu! I could not make Suse/NLD recognize my sound card, play movies, etc. But, with Ubuntu in less than 15 minutes using the ubuntu starters guide (www.ubuntuguide.org), I was able to play movies, listen to music, etc. It's great. It's nice to move away from a rpm based distro to apt-get.
I have ordered some of the cd's and will be passing them around to whoever will take one.
-Charles
I have ordered some of the cd's and will be passing them around to whoever will take one.
-Charles
MorphiusFaydal
05-07-2005, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by Syngin
Has anyone used Ubuntu as primarily a server? I'm looking for a Debian-based distro to use as a server but, occasionally as a desktop (g/f needs inet access occasionally and is always kicking me off my main system :P)
My main criteria:
1) Minimal bloat: I'm a big fan of a bare minimal system from the start and then going from there. I've tried Libranet before and liked it apart from the bloat.
2) Good hardware detection (monitor detection if possible) This monitor I was going to use is an old 17" and I know nothing about its specs except that it'll do 1024x768.
3) X-Windows installs easily.
I'd go with just Debian Sarge except that the last 2 have presented problems in the past.
What's access like to the Ubuntu apt sources? I hear its a nightmare if you try mixing Ubuntu / normal Debian packages?
Knoppix HD install perhaps?
Has anyone used Ubuntu as primarily a server? I'm looking for a Debian-based distro to use as a server but, occasionally as a desktop (g/f needs inet access occasionally and is always kicking me off my main system :P)
My main criteria:
1) Minimal bloat: I'm a big fan of a bare minimal system from the start and then going from there. I've tried Libranet before and liked it apart from the bloat.
2) Good hardware detection (monitor detection if possible) This monitor I was going to use is an old 17" and I know nothing about its specs except that it'll do 1024x768.
3) X-Windows installs easily.
I'd go with just Debian Sarge except that the last 2 have presented problems in the past.
What's access like to the Ubuntu apt sources? I hear its a nightmare if you try mixing Ubuntu / normal Debian packages?
Knoppix HD install perhaps?
Rinias
05-07-2005, 06:09 AM
Hi-
So I've installed and used Ubuntu for a while now on my HP Pavilion zv5430us and I have to say that I am not surprised by the outcome.
Ubuntu sucks, from my point of view. No, let me rephrase- I think that Ubuntu x86_64 sucks. I was really happy in the beginning- everything seemed to go smoothly. It gave a great first impression, but now it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
I need to erase it, just get it the hell off my harddrive. Slack 10.0 upgraded with only swaret to Slack current was better. And it's only 32-bit. Even with all the crap it gave me when trying to compile programs I liked it ten times more.
I dunno, but it just seems like a crappy x86_64 distro. From what I can tell the normal x86 is great- and I've seen enough examples to imagine that it is not bad.
My problems are that it is absolutely awful for movie playback (AWFUL), the audio is a pain in the a$$ (alsa error messages screw everything up and then you can't choose the options you want), ndiswrapper- which installs nicely and tells me that things are ok won't run (it did on other distros- I even had the broadcom soft led lighting up!), synaptic is trash except for being useful as a search tool. Ubuntu update is a G-D joke- you hit apply or install or whatever and it thinks and then gives up. What kinda crap is that? I have a list three miles long of things that need to be "upgraded" and refuse to do so.
I can go, but I am sick of it. Nothing stays the way you want it to- I install the Nvidia driver perfectly (from the Nvidia site). I restart a few times (to use Windows cause I can't do what I want in Ubuntu or cause ubuntu had some sort of mem leak and I had to reboot) and then Nvidia is broken. Then it won't install right. So I uninstall and try to use the ubuntu package. Doesn't have an nvidia driver. What the hell is going on?
I'm sick of it, I'm gonna look for something else. I can't wait for Debian64 (I don't understand how it is "out" yet there's no .iso, or rather I can't find one...
I'm really disappointed cause I was really excited... and I think that if an "experienced" Slack user can't figure it out, it's not worth figuring.
@ +
So I've installed and used Ubuntu for a while now on my HP Pavilion zv5430us and I have to say that I am not surprised by the outcome.
Ubuntu sucks, from my point of view. No, let me rephrase- I think that Ubuntu x86_64 sucks. I was really happy in the beginning- everything seemed to go smoothly. It gave a great first impression, but now it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
I need to erase it, just get it the hell off my harddrive. Slack 10.0 upgraded with only swaret to Slack current was better. And it's only 32-bit. Even with all the crap it gave me when trying to compile programs I liked it ten times more.
I dunno, but it just seems like a crappy x86_64 distro. From what I can tell the normal x86 is great- and I've seen enough examples to imagine that it is not bad.
My problems are that it is absolutely awful for movie playback (AWFUL), the audio is a pain in the a$$ (alsa error messages screw everything up and then you can't choose the options you want), ndiswrapper- which installs nicely and tells me that things are ok won't run (it did on other distros- I even had the broadcom soft led lighting up!), synaptic is trash except for being useful as a search tool. Ubuntu update is a G-D joke- you hit apply or install or whatever and it thinks and then gives up. What kinda crap is that? I have a list three miles long of things that need to be "upgraded" and refuse to do so.
I can go, but I am sick of it. Nothing stays the way you want it to- I install the Nvidia driver perfectly (from the Nvidia site). I restart a few times (to use Windows cause I can't do what I want in Ubuntu or cause ubuntu had some sort of mem leak and I had to reboot) and then Nvidia is broken. Then it won't install right. So I uninstall and try to use the ubuntu package. Doesn't have an nvidia driver. What the hell is going on?
I'm sick of it, I'm gonna look for something else. I can't wait for Debian64 (I don't understand how it is "out" yet there's no .iso, or rather I can't find one...
I'm really disappointed cause I was really excited... and I think that if an "experienced" Slack user can't figure it out, it's not worth figuring.
@ +
Sepero
05-07-2005, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Rinias
I'm sick of it, I'm gonna look for something else. I can't wait for Debian64 (I don't understand how it is "out" yet there's no .iso, or rather I can't find one...Just so you know, this image is of "testing", and is regenerated weekly:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/ia64/sarge-ia64-1.iso.torrent
PS.
I know it can be difficult at first to navigate the Debian website, so if you'd like to to know how I got this link: www.debian.org
Click link on left side "CD ISO images"
Click link "Download CD images with BitTorrent"
Click link "Official bittorrent files"
Go in the folder "ia64/"
I'm sick of it, I'm gonna look for something else. I can't wait for Debian64 (I don't understand how it is "out" yet there's no .iso, or rather I can't find one...Just so you know, this image is of "testing", and is regenerated weekly:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/ia64/sarge-ia64-1.iso.torrent
PS.
I know it can be difficult at first to navigate the Debian website, so if you'd like to to know how I got this link: www.debian.org
Click link on left side "CD ISO images"
Click link "Download CD images with BitTorrent"
Click link "Official bittorrent files"
Go in the folder "ia64/"
jefjj01
05-07-2005, 08:14 AM
it just seems like a crappy x86_64 distro
What are the advantages of a 64 bit system right now? It seems to be solely bragging rights. My take on posts like this is you didn't check your system out ahead of time. Linux is not like Windows in that everyone supports it and all hardware will just work. My experience is always good with whichever distro I try because I spends hours searching the forums to make sure the hardware I buy on a new machine is fully supported, or reported to have worked by multiple people. I think if more people do that they would be happier too. My last mobo I bought I even purposely went back a model just because the most recent required a small change in some config file. I just don't need problems like that!
The only thing I ever bought on a whim was my 3-n-1 printer which was not supported and surprise, surprise, it didn't work...at least till I installed Ubuntu and then it worked perfectly. Not sure why but I think it has to do with the fact that Ubuntu does not ship with all the services turned on, so I didn't get some sort of device conflict like other distros.
My two cents. I cannot see going to a different distro. Everything works perfectly. I have full mutimedia, complete development environment, etc. And I hardly consider myself to be of Slackware or Gentoo knowledge. I like to think I am a power user, but I really just follow the suggestions on the postings and it always seems to work.
What are the advantages of a 64 bit system right now? It seems to be solely bragging rights. My take on posts like this is you didn't check your system out ahead of time. Linux is not like Windows in that everyone supports it and all hardware will just work. My experience is always good with whichever distro I try because I spends hours searching the forums to make sure the hardware I buy on a new machine is fully supported, or reported to have worked by multiple people. I think if more people do that they would be happier too. My last mobo I bought I even purposely went back a model just because the most recent required a small change in some config file. I just don't need problems like that!
The only thing I ever bought on a whim was my 3-n-1 printer which was not supported and surprise, surprise, it didn't work...at least till I installed Ubuntu and then it worked perfectly. Not sure why but I think it has to do with the fact that Ubuntu does not ship with all the services turned on, so I didn't get some sort of device conflict like other distros.
My two cents. I cannot see going to a different distro. Everything works perfectly. I have full mutimedia, complete development environment, etc. And I hardly consider myself to be of Slackware or Gentoo knowledge. I like to think I am a power user, but I really just follow the suggestions on the postings and it always seems to work.
Rinias
05-07-2005, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Sepero
Just so you know, this image is of "testing", and is regenerated weekly:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/ia64/sarge-ia64-1.iso.torrent
PS.
I know it can be difficult at first to navigate the Debian website, so if you'd like to to know how I got this link: www.debian.org
Click link on left side "CD ISO images"
Click link "Download CD images with BitTorrent"
Click link "Official bittorrent files"
Go in the folder "ia64/"
thanks- I checked it out.
I was never very clear on this, but ia64 is not at all for amd64 or x86_64, right? It's completely different, correct?
if this is the case, then the debian amd64 port is only at 97% and isn't yet accepted as debian...
Which leaves me with the conclusion that there is no Debian AMD 64. Except perhaps for Ubuntu, which while it was nice, has GTG. (Perhaps I had a bad experience based on the fact that the Debian AMD64 is not ready- and Ubuntu used what was ready for that??)
Thnks anyway
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Just so you know, this image is of "testing", and is regenerated weekly:
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/ia64/sarge-ia64-1.iso.torrent
PS.
I know it can be difficult at first to navigate the Debian website, so if you'd like to to know how I got this link: www.debian.org
Click link on left side "CD ISO images"
Click link "Download CD images with BitTorrent"
Click link "Official bittorrent files"
Go in the folder "ia64/"
thanks- I checked it out.
I was never very clear on this, but ia64 is not at all for amd64 or x86_64, right? It's completely different, correct?
if this is the case, then the debian amd64 port is only at 97% and isn't yet accepted as debian...
Which leaves me with the conclusion that there is no Debian AMD 64. Except perhaps for Ubuntu, which while it was nice, has GTG. (Perhaps I had a bad experience based on the fact that the Debian AMD64 is not ready- and Ubuntu used what was ready for that??)
Thnks anyway
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Rinias
05-07-2005, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by jefjj01
What are the advantages of a 64 bit system right now? It seems to be solely bragging rights. My take on posts like this is you didn't check your system out ahead of time. Linux is not like Windows in that everyone supports it and all hardware will just work.
I don't want to seem like an a$$ but I didn't choose this computer for Linux. I bought it cause I have to have a laptop for school- and it _has_ to be Windows. I would never have even looked at Ubuntu if my tower had not died on me. IMO there is nothing like Slack. I even installed it on this machine, but it is not optimal for the x86_64 environment. Therefore I've switched around trying to find a distro that _works_. Ubuntu just doesn't cut it.
As for bragging rights, one can't have them in Linux with their machine. It's not about processor or anything, and if I really wanted bragging rights anyway I would've paid much more money to have an awesome graphics card, etc.
Thing is, it's the only machine I've got left and I just can't seem to cope with Linux-less computing. Can you understand that?
At the same time, considering the relative age of the processor (AMD's had these processors for a few years now) and the fact that it is "supported" by Linux makes me demand something better.
And another thing- the processor has no problems whatsoever. It is the userland that has problems, and often that depends on the distro and how they compiled everything. It depends on the work they put into their x86_64 distro. And seeing as these distros are at least a year old and they come from well-tested 32-bit distros, ie one doesn't need to rebuild from the base up in terms of organisation, etc I feel unsatisfied.
I'm willing to give it time, but I need something that even if not pretty, is stable. And Ubuntu was not.
Oh- and just one more thing- multimedia and such- it might be easy, except the famous multimedia script does not cope with x86_64 distros cause debian-maillart does not have amd64. Go figure. I can follow all the suggestions I want, but when the computer tells me, "Hey buddy, you're SOL cause you have 64" I feel like kicking something...
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What are the advantages of a 64 bit system right now? It seems to be solely bragging rights. My take on posts like this is you didn't check your system out ahead of time. Linux is not like Windows in that everyone supports it and all hardware will just work.
I don't want to seem like an a$$ but I didn't choose this computer for Linux. I bought it cause I have to have a laptop for school- and it _has_ to be Windows. I would never have even looked at Ubuntu if my tower had not died on me. IMO there is nothing like Slack. I even installed it on this machine, but it is not optimal for the x86_64 environment. Therefore I've switched around trying to find a distro that _works_. Ubuntu just doesn't cut it.
As for bragging rights, one can't have them in Linux with their machine. It's not about processor or anything, and if I really wanted bragging rights anyway I would've paid much more money to have an awesome graphics card, etc.
Thing is, it's the only machine I've got left and I just can't seem to cope with Linux-less computing. Can you understand that?
At the same time, considering the relative age of the processor (AMD's had these processors for a few years now) and the fact that it is "supported" by Linux makes me demand something better.
And another thing- the processor has no problems whatsoever. It is the userland that has problems, and often that depends on the distro and how they compiled everything. It depends on the work they put into their x86_64 distro. And seeing as these distros are at least a year old and they come from well-tested 32-bit distros, ie one doesn't need to rebuild from the base up in terms of organisation, etc I feel unsatisfied.
I'm willing to give it time, but I need something that even if not pretty, is stable. And Ubuntu was not.
Oh- and just one more thing- multimedia and such- it might be easy, except the famous multimedia script does not cope with x86_64 distros cause debian-maillart does not have amd64. Go figure. I can follow all the suggestions I want, but when the computer tells me, "Hey buddy, you're SOL cause you have 64" I feel like kicking something...
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cudaman73
05-07-2005, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by Rinias
Ubuntu update is a G-D joke- you hit apply or install or whatever and it thinks and then gives up. What kinda crap is that? I have a list three miles long of things that need to be "upgraded" and refuse to do so.
I've never used the ia64 version of ubuntu.. but i can't imagine why you think synaptic is a joke. I've never had any problems updating things
Ubuntu update is a G-D joke- you hit apply or install or whatever and it thinks and then gives up. What kinda crap is that? I have a list three miles long of things that need to be "upgraded" and refuse to do so.
I've never used the ia64 version of ubuntu.. but i can't imagine why you think synaptic is a joke. I've never had any problems updating things
Rinias
05-07-2005, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by cudaman73
I've never used the ia64 version of ubuntu.. but i can't imagine why you think synaptic is a joke. I've never had any problems updating things
Not synaptic- at least that worked. I mean application update or whatever. It pops up and tells me that certain things have security updates and the like. I say ok, I click install, it greys out and nothing happens. Now the list of things to update is around 10, and I can't do anything about it. Moreover, these "updates" aren't listed in synaptic. I have no idea what's going on.
I imagine that most of my problems do not exist in Ubuntu for i386. i don't think there is an Ubuntu ia64- I downloaded a different one. (x86_64 is amd as far as I can tell).
Apt-get is wonderful, don't get me wrong!! I am not preaching blaspheme!
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I've never used the ia64 version of ubuntu.. but i can't imagine why you think synaptic is a joke. I've never had any problems updating things
Not synaptic- at least that worked. I mean application update or whatever. It pops up and tells me that certain things have security updates and the like. I say ok, I click install, it greys out and nothing happens. Now the list of things to update is around 10, and I can't do anything about it. Moreover, these "updates" aren't listed in synaptic. I have no idea what's going on.
I imagine that most of my problems do not exist in Ubuntu for i386. i don't think there is an Ubuntu ia64- I downloaded a different one. (x86_64 is amd as far as I can tell).
Apt-get is wonderful, don't get me wrong!! I am not preaching blaspheme!
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MorphiusFaydal
05-07-2005, 11:46 AM
x86_64 == amd64
ia64 is Intel's Itanium chips... and not compatible with x86 at all.
ia64 is Intel's Itanium chips... and not compatible with x86 at all.
cudaman73
05-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Rinias
I imagine that most of my problems do not exist in Ubuntu for i386. i don't think there is an Ubuntu ia64- I downloaded a different one. (x86_64 is amd as far as I can tell.
yeah, my mistake on the ia64. i meant x86_64. I haven't actually used the updater that comes with ubuntu (the application update you mentioned), but it should somehow give you a list with the names of the packages, which you could use synaptic (or apt-cache search, if you're a cli junkie) to find. It doesn't make too much sense to me (but nothing does, i'm shooting in the dark here), but you may need to add other repositories. I don't know why it would tell you you needed to update and then not give you the packages.. my suggestion is to sudo apt-get update (to update the repos), and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, which will update all your packages to the newest versions and resolve dependencies (i believe. I'm still new with apt-get so take my advice with a bit of salt). If you're updated and upgraded to current, the command should give you back something that looks like this:
m3r1k@m3r1kb0x:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Alternatively, Synaptic has an option where you can 'Mark all upgrades', which is the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade. It brings up a dialog box that asks you if you want to do it the default way or the 'smart' way, which is basically asking you if you want to try and resolve dependency issues or not. I'd suggest going with the dist-upgrade ('smart') unless it's absolutely necessary to do it the other way.
I imagine that most of my problems do not exist in Ubuntu for i386. i don't think there is an Ubuntu ia64- I downloaded a different one. (x86_64 is amd as far as I can tell.
yeah, my mistake on the ia64. i meant x86_64. I haven't actually used the updater that comes with ubuntu (the application update you mentioned), but it should somehow give you a list with the names of the packages, which you could use synaptic (or apt-cache search, if you're a cli junkie) to find. It doesn't make too much sense to me (but nothing does, i'm shooting in the dark here), but you may need to add other repositories. I don't know why it would tell you you needed to update and then not give you the packages.. my suggestion is to sudo apt-get update (to update the repos), and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, which will update all your packages to the newest versions and resolve dependencies (i believe. I'm still new with apt-get so take my advice with a bit of salt). If you're updated and upgraded to current, the command should give you back something that looks like this:
m3r1k@m3r1kb0x:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Alternatively, Synaptic has an option where you can 'Mark all upgrades', which is the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade. It brings up a dialog box that asks you if you want to do it the default way or the 'smart' way, which is basically asking you if you want to try and resolve dependency issues or not. I'd suggest going with the dist-upgrade ('smart') unless it's absolutely necessary to do it the other way.
jefjj01
05-07-2005, 12:39 PM
Thanks Rinias, for turning this fun thread into yet another flame war :(. Don't you have something better to do with your time? In the time it took you to write all this up you could have been back on Slack, or Gentoo, or whatever else you deem worthy.
soulestream
05-07-2005, 01:20 PM
well speaking of ubuntu on laptops. I thought id put in my new experience with it. It just bought a dell insp. 6000 laptop. I went through distro hell. debian, ubuntu, FC3, slack, knoppix all had some sort of issue. Slackware was the only distro that the installer was even readable. The rest just scrolled so fast on the screen you couldn't read them to get a base install to fix it. Slackware installed but had issues with my wired and wireless cards and somereason when it installed the first time it mount my sata drive as hda then when i did a recompile to get my cards working i had issues with Sata drives. While about to give up I had an idea i hooked an external monitor up to my laptop and installed ubuntu. After reconfiguring xorg to work with my screen i am now running wireless on ubuntu. I detected my wireless card and configured it. screen res is perfect. Ive apt-getted everything i need. the only prob im having is an issue with ubuntu and esd sound that is giving me a no sound in mplayer issue , but xine works just fine.
overall - ubuntu is amazing
soule
overall - ubuntu is amazing
soule
jefjj01
05-07-2005, 01:27 PM
overall - ubuntu is amazing
Ahh, the thread is back on track! Thanks soulestream.
Ahh, the thread is back on track! Thanks soulestream.
cudaman73
05-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by jefjj01
Ahh, the thread is back on track! Thanks soulestream.
/me is still ignored.
le sigh
Ahh, the thread is back on track! Thanks soulestream.
/me is still ignored.
le sigh
nordinaryspider
05-07-2005, 09:39 PM
....with a few first impressions. :D
I'm a three month old baby Linux user with a less-than-24-hour old install of Kubuntu. I fell completely in love with the philosophy of the distro long before I knew an rpm from a deb. However, for various reasons it was months before I got ahold of a CD.
I put Kubuntu on what used to be my Mandrake machine, a 400Mhz PII and am amazed at the increase in speed from Mandrake 10.1, and also all the eye candy; it's a very pretty GUI.
It installed very easily while I was half asleep from a rather involved Damn Small Linux hd install for my son, who is a gamer and also needed some pretty heavy duty multimedia apps.
An interesting note is that it automatically detected the workgroup name of what was originally a Windows LAN.
I haven't figured out how to mount shares on the Kubuntu machine or shares from the Kubuntu machine yet, but it did update overnight while I slept and is now getting abiword.
Overall I'm quite pleased so far.
I'm a three month old baby Linux user with a less-than-24-hour old install of Kubuntu. I fell completely in love with the philosophy of the distro long before I knew an rpm from a deb. However, for various reasons it was months before I got ahold of a CD.
I put Kubuntu on what used to be my Mandrake machine, a 400Mhz PII and am amazed at the increase in speed from Mandrake 10.1, and also all the eye candy; it's a very pretty GUI.
It installed very easily while I was half asleep from a rather involved Damn Small Linux hd install for my son, who is a gamer and also needed some pretty heavy duty multimedia apps.
An interesting note is that it automatically detected the workgroup name of what was originally a Windows LAN.
I haven't figured out how to mount shares on the Kubuntu machine or shares from the Kubuntu machine yet, but it did update overnight while I slept and is now getting abiword.
Overall I'm quite pleased so far.
Sepero
05-08-2005, 07:40 AM
Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 For IA-64 (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/install)
"IA-64 is now a supported Debian architecture!" (details here) (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/)
"IA-64 is now a supported Debian architecture!" (details here) (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/)
Rinias
05-08-2005, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by jefjj01
Thanks Rinias, for turning this fun thread into yet another flame war :(. Don't you have something better to do with your time? In the time it took you to write all this up you could have been back on Slack, or Gentoo, or whatever else you deem worthy.
Bud- don't get down in the ditches- and i don't think that with five posts I could turn a 19-page post into a flame war :D
I was honestly really excited with Ubuntu, from the cool audio effects and setup of Gnome to the philosophy of the ubuntu guys. I _wanted_ ubuntu to be my distro for this computer: I was getting excited to set it all up and show it off when I'm back at school!
I only wrote in cause I was really disappointed. If you look back a few pages you'll find my posts of when I was starting out. there's no flaming going on here.
And let me just say again that I am sure that the i386 Ubuntu is amazing! It is just my opinion that the x86_64 still needs some serious work.
Have you tried it? You said you didn't, so why fight with me about it?
If someone IS USING Ubuntu x86_64 with success, let me know!! Esp. if it's on a laptop!!
(Again- I only have an amd64 laptop that I try to use Linux on cause my main box died...)
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Thanks Rinias, for turning this fun thread into yet another flame war :(. Don't you have something better to do with your time? In the time it took you to write all this up you could have been back on Slack, or Gentoo, or whatever else you deem worthy.
Bud- don't get down in the ditches- and i don't think that with five posts I could turn a 19-page post into a flame war :D
I was honestly really excited with Ubuntu, from the cool audio effects and setup of Gnome to the philosophy of the ubuntu guys. I _wanted_ ubuntu to be my distro for this computer: I was getting excited to set it all up and show it off when I'm back at school!
I only wrote in cause I was really disappointed. If you look back a few pages you'll find my posts of when I was starting out. there's no flaming going on here.
And let me just say again that I am sure that the i386 Ubuntu is amazing! It is just my opinion that the x86_64 still needs some serious work.
Have you tried it? You said you didn't, so why fight with me about it?
If someone IS USING Ubuntu x86_64 with success, let me know!! Esp. if it's on a laptop!!
(Again- I only have an amd64 laptop that I try to use Linux on cause my main box died...)
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Rinias
05-08-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 For IA-64 (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/install)
"IA-64 is now a supported Debian architecture!" (details here) (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/)
Yeah, but in my unfortunate case, ia64 is _not_ amd64...
I almost downloaded it from your link until I realized it was not right...
thanks much for the help,
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Installing Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 For IA-64 (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/install)
"IA-64 is now a supported Debian architecture!" (details here) (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/)
Yeah, but in my unfortunate case, ia64 is _not_ amd64...
I almost downloaded it from your link until I realized it was not right...
thanks much for the help,
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Sepero
05-08-2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Rinias
Yeah, but in my unfortunate case, ia64 is _not_ amd64...Sorry, I don't know much of the "64 bit" models.
This link seems to be right up your ally:
"the next Debian GNU/Linux release, codenamed "sarge", will include the "amd64" architecture, based on the work currently hosted at http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/" (http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3335)
Here's related links:
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=8431&35529
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=6158&25879
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7281&30718
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7768&32759
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=8027&33902
On a side note, I remember someone once posting that Suse had a good 64 port. (but maybe is was for Intel?)
Yeah, but in my unfortunate case, ia64 is _not_ amd64...Sorry, I don't know much of the "64 bit" models.
This link seems to be right up your ally:
"the next Debian GNU/Linux release, codenamed "sarge", will include the "amd64" architecture, based on the work currently hosted at http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/" (http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3335)
Here's related links:
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=8431&35529
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=6158&25879
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7281&30718
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7768&32759
http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=8027&33902
On a side note, I remember someone once posting that Suse had a good 64 port. (but maybe is was for Intel?)
Rinias
05-09-2005, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
Sorry, I don't know much of the "64 bit" models.
This link seems to be right up your ally:
"the next Debian GNU/Linux release, codenamed "sarge", will include the "amd64" architecture, based on the work currently hosted at http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/" (http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3335)
On a side note, I remember someone once posting that Suse had a good 64 port. (but maybe is was for Intel?)
First, thanks for your help looking into this! And I apologize to jefjj01 for throwing in my negative comments on Ubuntu x86_64.
Suse's port was indeed for amd64, but I was never able to get along with Suse. it was my first distro, and I tried it again later, but it just doesn't float my boat...
As for the Alioth debian port, I've looked into it, but I didn't quite get the installer thing down (one needs a pre-release installer, which also means that there are no images, right?) and the llayout of their site seemed a little strange- where is the pre-release installer?
I'm trying out Gentoo, even though I have reserved feelings with that distro. I've had much improvement with it, though, since the last times I tried it because I have a wired router now... I don't quite understand how all the kdm .ebuilds are masked though... Annoying things to ruin otherwise good experiences :D
I will say, however, that this post stays around, cause I'd like to repost in another six months when the new Ubuntu comes out!
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Thanks for listening... And sorry for being a downer...
Sorry, I don't know much of the "64 bit" models.
This link seems to be right up your ally:
"the next Debian GNU/Linux release, codenamed "sarge", will include the "amd64" architecture, based on the work currently hosted at http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/" (http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3335)
On a side note, I remember someone once posting that Suse had a good 64 port. (but maybe is was for Intel?)
First, thanks for your help looking into this! And I apologize to jefjj01 for throwing in my negative comments on Ubuntu x86_64.
Suse's port was indeed for amd64, but I was never able to get along with Suse. it was my first distro, and I tried it again later, but it just doesn't float my boat...
As for the Alioth debian port, I've looked into it, but I didn't quite get the installer thing down (one needs a pre-release installer, which also means that there are no images, right?) and the llayout of their site seemed a little strange- where is the pre-release installer?
I'm trying out Gentoo, even though I have reserved feelings with that distro. I've had much improvement with it, though, since the last times I tried it because I have a wired router now... I don't quite understand how all the kdm .ebuilds are masked though... Annoying things to ruin otherwise good experiences :D
I will say, however, that this post stays around, cause I'd like to repost in another six months when the new Ubuntu comes out!
@ +
Thanks for listening... And sorry for being a downer...
Sepero
05-09-2005, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Rinias
As for the Alioth debian port, I've looked into it, but I didn't quite get the installer thing down (one needs a pre-release installer, which also means that there are no images, right?) and the llayout of their site seemed a little strange- where is the pre-release installer?You're welcome for the help. When I scoured for an image, this is what I found (a netinstall):
ftp://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso
If that doesn't work out, I think the "normal" route is to do a i386 install, then put:
http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib
in your /etc/apt/sources.list
Then update-upgrade
As for the Alioth debian port, I've looked into it, but I didn't quite get the installer thing down (one needs a pre-release installer, which also means that there are no images, right?) and the llayout of their site seemed a little strange- where is the pre-release installer?You're welcome for the help. When I scoured for an image, this is what I found (a netinstall):
ftp://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso
If that doesn't work out, I think the "normal" route is to do a i386 install, then put:
http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ sarge main contrib
in your /etc/apt/sources.list
Then update-upgrade
Sepero
05-09-2005, 06:49 PM
Ah, lots of excellent links here, especially the howto.
http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64
http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64
Syngin
05-14-2005, 04:02 PM
I'm giving Ubuntu a try for a hybrid sever/desktop that my g/f can use occasionally.
Here's my 2 cents so far:
Pros:
1. Easy install
2. Hardware detection isn't bad.
3. Supposed to be based on testing (rather than Libranet that's build on Woody)
4. Install size is about 1/3 - 1/2 of Libranet's.
Cons:
1. Easy install. Great for n00bs, a little annoying for more advanced users.
2. Automatically configures nics for DHCP (just because I have a DHCP server on my network doesn't mean I want the system I'm doing a lot of port forwarding to to have a dynamic IP)
3. No serial mouse detection. (The ps2 port on this mb is screwed up) In case anyone needs a solution for getting a serial mouse to work under Ubuntu, its
here. (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=172125#post172125) (Note the spelling mistake mentioned in subsequent posts in the thread though because it'll lock x windows and subsequently, the system!)
4. Uses Gnome while I'm a KDE fan. (personal preference but apparently theres a KDE version in the works somewhere)
5. Sudo will take some getting used to. I haven't used it before so I don't have much else to say about that.
Overall, things look good though. Seems to be a great distro for early Linux users.
If the g/f can use it, anyone can.
Just thought I'd post my experiences so far with Ubuntu :p
Here's my 2 cents so far:
Pros:
1. Easy install
2. Hardware detection isn't bad.
3. Supposed to be based on testing (rather than Libranet that's build on Woody)
4. Install size is about 1/3 - 1/2 of Libranet's.
Cons:
1. Easy install. Great for n00bs, a little annoying for more advanced users.
2. Automatically configures nics for DHCP (just because I have a DHCP server on my network doesn't mean I want the system I'm doing a lot of port forwarding to to have a dynamic IP)
3. No serial mouse detection. (The ps2 port on this mb is screwed up) In case anyone needs a solution for getting a serial mouse to work under Ubuntu, its
here. (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=172125#post172125) (Note the spelling mistake mentioned in subsequent posts in the thread though because it'll lock x windows and subsequently, the system!)
4. Uses Gnome while I'm a KDE fan. (personal preference but apparently theres a KDE version in the works somewhere)
5. Sudo will take some getting used to. I haven't used it before so I don't have much else to say about that.
Overall, things look good though. Seems to be a great distro for early Linux users.
If the g/f can use it, anyone can.
Just thought I'd post my experiences so far with Ubuntu :p
Syngin
05-14-2005, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Rinias
I don't want to seem like an a$$ but I didn't choose this computer for Linux. I bought it cause I have to have a laptop for school- and it _has_ to be Windows. I would never have even looked at Ubuntu if my tower had not died on me. IMO there is nothing like Slack.
Note on IT in general: For most situations, there are mutiple solutions to a problem. The vast majority of IT ppl will put forth the solution they are most familiar with. Distro choice is the same way. How many ppl do you see raving (or getting militant) about a distro they haven't tried? Each distro has their pros and cons. Numerous distros cater to the same purpose. To each his own.... yada yada yada </rant>
I don't want to seem like an a$$ but I didn't choose this computer for Linux. I bought it cause I have to have a laptop for school- and it _has_ to be Windows. I would never have even looked at Ubuntu if my tower had not died on me. IMO there is nothing like Slack.
Note on IT in general: For most situations, there are mutiple solutions to a problem. The vast majority of IT ppl will put forth the solution they are most familiar with. Distro choice is the same way. How many ppl do you see raving (or getting militant) about a distro they haven't tried? Each distro has their pros and cons. Numerous distros cater to the same purpose. To each his own.... yada yada yada </rant>
Sepero
05-15-2005, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Syngin
Cons:
1. Easy install. Great for n00bs, a little annoying for more advanced users.I've read that an advanced option can be selected. I could be wrong...
5. Sudo will take some getting used to. I haven't used it before so I don't have much else to say about that.To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
best of luck
Cons:
1. Easy install. Great for n00bs, a little annoying for more advanced users.I've read that an advanced option can be selected. I could be wrong...
5. Sudo will take some getting used to. I haven't used it before so I don't have much else to say about that.To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
best of luck
Rinias
05-15-2005, 02:30 PM
So- I took the plunge and installed Debian AMD64. this is a pure 64-bit system, and though there are some packages that are lacking, it runs more smoothly than Ubuntu did. i am not saying this to put down Ubuntu, but rather to tell those who are looking for a good 64-bit distro that the Debian amd64 is GOOD.
Why? What is the difference? Things work. It is not as easy an install as Ubuntu (though very close- it was a POC) but it just works now. I had one difficulty- that was with ndiswrapper, but now even that works now.
Thanks so much Sepero et al!!
I am sure that Ubuntu 64 will be as great as Ubuntu i386 is- IMO it will just take a little more time.
@ +
(Perhaps Ubuntu unstable is good? I don't know, but I think one of the keys is trying to stay as pure64 as possible)
Why? What is the difference? Things work. It is not as easy an install as Ubuntu (though very close- it was a POC) but it just works now. I had one difficulty- that was with ndiswrapper, but now even that works now.
Thanks so much Sepero et al!!
I am sure that Ubuntu 64 will be as great as Ubuntu i386 is- IMO it will just take a little more time.
@ +
(Perhaps Ubuntu unstable is good? I don't know, but I think one of the keys is trying to stay as pure64 as possible)
timothykaine
05-15-2005, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
its:
sudo passwd
To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
its:
sudo passwd
Syngin
05-15-2005, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Sepero
I've read that an advanced option can be selected. I could be wrong...
[B]To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
best of luck
Thanks.
Not sure about the advanced install option but there was a minimal "server" install option at the beginning. Maybe that was it?
I've read that an advanced option can be selected. I could be wrong...
[B]To activate a normal root user, I believe this is the command:
sudo password
best of luck
Thanks.
Not sure about the advanced install option but there was a minimal "server" install option at the beginning. Maybe that was it?
Sepero
05-16-2005, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by Rinias
i am not saying this to put down Ubuntu, but rather to tell those who are looking for a good 64-bit distro that the Debian amd64 is GOOD.You're welcome for the help and I'm glad it worked out for you. When compared to other distros, there's just something special about Debian.
BTW: Thanks for the correction, timothykaine.
i am not saying this to put down Ubuntu, but rather to tell those who are looking for a good 64-bit distro that the Debian amd64 is GOOD.You're welcome for the help and I'm glad it worked out for you. When compared to other distros, there's just something special about Debian.
BTW: Thanks for the correction, timothykaine.
zyiro
06-13-2005, 09:03 PM
I Couldnt agree more i was usung Red Hat Enterprise WS and decided to install Ubunto becasue of all the good reports i saw. this is comming from someone who has been using linux exclusivly for about 7 years now and used it on a dual boot for numerous years before that. i cant say enough good about this disctro lets all just hope that with each release that is supposed to be scheduled on a 6 month interval they just keep improving on what they have going for them.
heres a few screenshots of my ubunto desktop. http://garrett.servebeer.com/gallery/Screenshots
heres a few screenshots of my ubunto desktop. http://garrett.servebeer.com/gallery/Screenshots
scsa20
06-19-2005, 04:34 AM
I've tried installing the KDE version of Ubumtu but it's giving me an headace because it's using a driver that doesn't work correctly. How do I get it to turn off the X server and into the console so I could get into the settings so I could set the driver to vesa?
infiniphunk
06-19-2005, 11:36 AM
sudo kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Find the line where ir says what driver it's using and change it to "vesa"
Above I said "kwrite"; I'm not sure what text editors Kubuntu has by default, but kwrite should be there.
After you've done this just restart X by [CTRL] [ALT] [BACKSPACE]
Find the line where ir says what driver it's using and change it to "vesa"
Above I said "kwrite"; I'm not sure what text editors Kubuntu has by default, but kwrite should be there.
After you've done this just restart X by [CTRL] [ALT] [BACKSPACE]
scsa20
06-19-2005, 02:12 PM
well... that part I know, but since the screen is all screwed up and can't see where I'm going, I don't know how to turn off X so I could get into the console to do that.
AdamZ
06-19-2005, 03:07 PM
Ctrl-Alt-F1, then Alt-F7 to get back into X when you need to.
eskaypey
06-22-2005, 04:08 AM
Ubuntu is A m a z i n :D
cudaman73
06-22-2005, 05:07 PM
i <3 ubuntu
minus18
06-26-2005, 12:56 PM
I'm here on the live CD. I like what I've seen so far. The sound system is a little messed up, it pops and crackles a lot, but I figure that will clear up with a full install...
Chris
No, it doesn't improve. :(
I assumed it was something to do with the drivers for my soundcard. Nice to know it is not just me.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Ubuntu?
What is up with the sudo business and why is the floppy mounted on \media\floppy?
We need some standards round here!
I'm going back to FC3 or trying Gentoo, or, even better, will create my own hard core distro purely from scratch...
Chris
No, it doesn't improve. :(
I assumed it was something to do with the drivers for my soundcard. Nice to know it is not just me.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Ubuntu?
What is up with the sudo business and why is the floppy mounted on \media\floppy?
We need some standards round here!
I'm going back to FC3 or trying Gentoo, or, even better, will create my own hard core distro purely from scratch...
cudaman73
06-27-2005, 11:49 AM
No, it doesn't improve. :(
I assumed it was something to do with the drivers for my soundcard. Nice to know it is not just me.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Ubuntu?
What is up with the sudo business and why is the floppy mounted on \media\floppy?
We need some standards round here!
I'm going back to FC3 or trying Gentoo, or, even better, will create my own hard core distro purely from scratch...
It makes sense, if you think about it... all partitions are generally mounted under /media... cause most partitions you add after an install are media partitions. cdroms, floppys, usb drives, even physical hard drive partitions. What's the problem? Granted, I'm used to everything being in /mnt, too. All you have to do is create an fstab entry for it.
I assumed it was something to do with the drivers for my soundcard. Nice to know it is not just me.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Ubuntu?
What is up with the sudo business and why is the floppy mounted on \media\floppy?
We need some standards round here!
I'm going back to FC3 or trying Gentoo, or, even better, will create my own hard core distro purely from scratch...
It makes sense, if you think about it... all partitions are generally mounted under /media... cause most partitions you add after an install are media partitions. cdroms, floppys, usb drives, even physical hard drive partitions. What's the problem? Granted, I'm used to everything being in /mnt, too. All you have to do is create an fstab entry for it.
Megahurts
06-29-2005, 05:28 AM
I installed Ubuntu on my (works) IBM T41 laptop as I was having "issues" getting 3D Accel working under Debian Sarge. The install was reasonably staightforward - the only issue was with setting up the eth0 using the on-board wireless as my home network DHCP server was slighty mis-configured with regard to the default GW and the installer didnt seem to want to let me use a manual config.
I've used Linux on and off since I got a copy of RH6 out of the back of "Teach Yourself Linux in 24hrs" book, going through RH7, Mandrake 8 and 10, and FC1 thro FC3 along with Smoothwall and IPCOP firewalls, although I'm still at the pressing buttons to see what happens stage, never really having had enough time to learn the system properly (When you have kids, they are tend to get a bit miffed when Dads PC no longer runs whatever Win32 game is flavour of the month). But since work have seen fit to assign me a shiny new T41 - even if it is a supposedly locked down XP build - and I'm the bod who looks after the HW store, I've had the opportunity to install Deb and now ubuntu on a 2nd harddrive and have a proper play around.
Ubuntu seems to be quite a nice distro, although a little bit more help during the install process would be nice, I love APT, and Gnome but can't say the same about SUDO..... as it seems a bit crackers to use the same login password as to perform admin tasks.....
Anyway, for newbies and semi-linux-literate like myself I'd say give it try.
I've used Linux on and off since I got a copy of RH6 out of the back of "Teach Yourself Linux in 24hrs" book, going through RH7, Mandrake 8 and 10, and FC1 thro FC3 along with Smoothwall and IPCOP firewalls, although I'm still at the pressing buttons to see what happens stage, never really having had enough time to learn the system properly (When you have kids, they are tend to get a bit miffed when Dads PC no longer runs whatever Win32 game is flavour of the month). But since work have seen fit to assign me a shiny new T41 - even if it is a supposedly locked down XP build - and I'm the bod who looks after the HW store, I've had the opportunity to install Deb and now ubuntu on a 2nd harddrive and have a proper play around.
Ubuntu seems to be quite a nice distro, although a little bit more help during the install process would be nice, I love APT, and Gnome but can't say the same about SUDO..... as it seems a bit crackers to use the same login password as to perform admin tasks.....
Anyway, for newbies and semi-linux-literate like myself I'd say give it try.
zeke676
06-29-2005, 11:53 AM
gonna give it a try
tlaloc
06-29-2005, 06:37 PM
I installed Ubuntu in my Celeron 2.4 with 128 ram and it is nice, worked nicely and looked nice, Open Office worked well, but when I tried to connect with my US Robotics 56 K it was extremely slow, so I uninstalled and get back to Xandros 3.0 the distro that work best in my Celeron.
Smokey
07-03-2005, 07:49 AM
is Ubuntu fast? I use Slackware 10.1 right now with fluxbox. Am I going to compromise alot of speed if I install Ubuntu over it?
seldomseen
07-03-2005, 09:43 AM
I reckon you probably will sacrifice speed if you switch over. Twice.
1) I've never worked with straight Slack, but I have used several of its derivatives (Slax, Vector, College, Buffalo) and if you want speed, all of these blow everyone else off the road (except for a few mini-distros such as DamnSmall or Puppy). The Slack variations I've run, even using KDE, pretty much left Ubuntu eating their dust.
2) You're using Fluxbox, which is probably got one of the fastest GUIs running. Beats even IceWm and Xfce4. Doesn't matter what distro you're using, if you swap out Flux for the distro's default GUI (Gnome with Ubuntu, or KDE with Kubuntu) that's a whole lot of eye candy & graphics your OS will be lugging around. So you'll definitely lose speed there. In fact, your choice of GUI may be your greatest factor in determining how fast your system is.
I've noticed the first version of Ubuntu didn't seem to handle fluxbox well (may have been my own error, too). That's why that distro didn't last long on my machine. Maybe the newer versions are better with the light GUIs, or maybe I'm better at setting things up; I just never got around to checking.
1) I've never worked with straight Slack, but I have used several of its derivatives (Slax, Vector, College, Buffalo) and if you want speed, all of these blow everyone else off the road (except for a few mini-distros such as DamnSmall or Puppy). The Slack variations I've run, even using KDE, pretty much left Ubuntu eating their dust.
2) You're using Fluxbox, which is probably got one of the fastest GUIs running. Beats even IceWm and Xfce4. Doesn't matter what distro you're using, if you swap out Flux for the distro's default GUI (Gnome with Ubuntu, or KDE with Kubuntu) that's a whole lot of eye candy & graphics your OS will be lugging around. So you'll definitely lose speed there. In fact, your choice of GUI may be your greatest factor in determining how fast your system is.
I've noticed the first version of Ubuntu didn't seem to handle fluxbox well (may have been my own error, too). That's why that distro didn't last long on my machine. Maybe the newer versions are better with the light GUIs, or maybe I'm better at setting things up; I just never got around to checking.
J-Val
07-15-2005, 07:59 PM
4. Uses Gnome while I'm a KDE fan. (personal preference but apparently theres a KDE version in the works somewhere)
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
then you get Ubuntu with KDE. Some say it's the same as just installing Kubuntu, but I had more lock ups and driver issues with Kubuntu, than I did when I installed Ubuntu and switched to KDE.
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
then you get Ubuntu with KDE. Some say it's the same as just installing Kubuntu, but I had more lock ups and driver issues with Kubuntu, than I did when I installed Ubuntu and switched to KDE.
foxmuldar
10-15-2005, 01:59 PM
I am on Direcway Broadband, and i am getting ready to install Ubuntu, will mozilla firefox work on Direcway?
Thanks for any help!... :confused:
Thanks for any help!... :confused:
cudaman73
10-15-2005, 02:08 PM
firefox will work fine... isps are isps. it's getting net up to begin with that's the problem :P
foxmuldar
10-15-2005, 02:48 PM
Thanks cudaman73..... :)
foxmuldar
10-15-2005, 02:56 PM
firefox will work fine... isps are isps. it's getting net up to begin with that's the problem :P
What do you mean by (it's getting net up to begin with that's the problem :P)
cudaman73? :confused:
What do you mean by (it's getting net up to begin with that's the problem :P)
cudaman73? :confused:
Sepero
10-16-2005, 07:01 AM
I am on Direcway Broadband, and i am getting ready to install Ubuntu, will mozilla firefox work on Direcway?I'm sorry, but there is something *seriously* wrong if you have to ask a question like this.
dlausevic
10-17-2005, 02:42 PM
As mentioned in my 'RH' thread, I've researched a handful of distros and settled on Kubuntu. It's just a really nice, stable distro for my desktop needs. With me not being a power user, it is essential for my day to day needs.
lnx_nu_b
10-19-2005, 03:11 PM
A convert from Mandrake to Fedora to Ubuntu now (having tried Kubuntu). I like it!!
mmills
10-29-2005, 12:35 PM
I like ubuntu, for the reason that the installation is quite simple, so a n00b has a easy chance and getting it installed, questions free and the support is great..........
BUT the one issue I have with ubuntu is in 6 months from the release date there will be a new version, they have so many names, the next one might be 6.04 HogWart, and 18months after you install it from the release date, you will loose all your updates and security updates, thus unless you make all the updates yourslef, you will be forced to upgrade to the current or hop ship.
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
BUT the one issue I have with ubuntu is in 6 months from the release date there will be a new version, they have so many names, the next one might be 6.04 HogWart, and 18months after you install it from the release date, you will loose all your updates and security updates, thus unless you make all the updates yourslef, you will be forced to upgrade to the current or hop ship.
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
Sepero
10-29-2005, 08:30 PM
BUT the one issue I have with ubuntu is in 6 months from the release date there will be a new version, they have so many names, the next one might be 6.04 HogWart, and 18months after you install it from the release date, you will loose all your updates and security updates, thus unless you make all the updates yourslef, you will be forced to upgrade to the current or hop ship.
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
I think most desktop users would prefer a 6 month release cycle over a 3 year release cycle.
Ubuntu->desktop
Debian->server
Could you elaborate on how this is a problem for you?
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
I think most desktop users would prefer a 6 month release cycle over a 3 year release cycle.
Ubuntu->desktop
Debian->server
Could you elaborate on how this is a problem for you?
DanceMan
11-25-2005, 11:34 PM
its:
sudo passwdSo that's why I couldn't log on as root after I installed Ubuntu 5.10. :o
Ubuntu 5.10 Live functions really well on a Compaq X1000 laptop. I'll be installing it to the hdd.
sudo passwdSo that's why I couldn't log on as root after I installed Ubuntu 5.10. :o
Ubuntu 5.10 Live functions really well on a Compaq X1000 laptop. I'll be installing it to the hdd.
Syngin
11-25-2005, 11:55 PM
Anyone know what the record for most thread views is on Just Linux? This one is over 40,000 as of this writing...
eskaypey
11-26-2005, 06:31 AM
Anyone know what the record for most thread views is on Just Linux? THis once is over 40,000 as of this writing...
And how this relates to Ubuntu and its 'amazionability'?
And how this relates to Ubuntu and its 'amazionability'?
Sepero
11-26-2005, 08:53 AM
Anyone know what the record for most thread views is on Just Linux? THis once is over 40,000 as of this writing...
Getting close to mdwatts record for number of posts, ain't it? :D
Getting close to mdwatts record for number of posts, ain't it? :D
cudaman73
11-26-2005, 10:59 AM
Getting close to mdwatts record for number of posts, ain't it? :D
:P so it is
:P so it is
nephish
12-03-2005, 12:08 PM
i have one computer with 900mz and 180 ram
i just installed xubuntu , the ubuntu version with xfce4 as the default destop.
Its main package selection tries to stick to gkt2.
its awesome. for those who dig ubuntu without some of the bloat.
it found every piece of hardware and configured it for me, even without me having to do as many command like configuring as i have to with most distros to get my stuff all up and running.
i didn't even know about it untill an OSnews story about it. But its really cool.
i just installed xubuntu , the ubuntu version with xfce4 as the default destop.
Its main package selection tries to stick to gkt2.
its awesome. for those who dig ubuntu without some of the bloat.
it found every piece of hardware and configured it for me, even without me having to do as many command like configuring as i have to with most distros to get my stuff all up and running.
i didn't even know about it untill an OSnews story about it. But its really cool.
shutslar
01-01-2006, 04:14 PM
My 10 year old and my 7 year old both love Ubuntu with Gnome. They each have old 500mhz machines with 256mb of ram. I done the first install with the hoary-hedgehog release about a year ago. They have since upgraded to the breezy-badger version (my 10 year old daughter took care of the upgrades). Even my 7 year old daughter keeps her machine patched as updates come out.
They love the tux educational games. I am looking at the edubuntu project to see if my youngest would enjoy it. It looks interesting as a concept. I just haven't had the time to give it a try.
When the kids can take care of it with little or no help from dad, it is a gggrrreeeaaat os! If you haven't yet tried linux on the desktop because you think linux might only be for the technically gifted, give ubuntu a try. I really don't think you will be disapointed.
Scott
They love the tux educational games. I am looking at the edubuntu project to see if my youngest would enjoy it. It looks interesting as a concept. I just haven't had the time to give it a try.
When the kids can take care of it with little or no help from dad, it is a gggrrreeeaaat os! If you haven't yet tried linux on the desktop because you think linux might only be for the technically gifted, give ubuntu a try. I really don't think you will be disapointed.
Scott
Syche
01-01-2006, 05:15 PM
BUT the one issue I have with ubuntu is in 6 months from the release date there will be a new version, they have so many names, the next one might be 6.04 HogWart, and 18months after you install it from the release date, you will loose all your updates and security updates, thus unless you make all the updates yourslef, you will be forced to upgrade to the current or hop ship.
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
mmills, you could try the next version of Ubuntu which should be out in April. I think that this will satisfy you ;)
from: http://www.canonical.com/UbuntuFoundation
..the ( Ubuntu ) Foundation announces that Ubuntu version 6.04, due for release in April 2006, will be supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server.
The problems I find with Ubuntu is its over-simplification to the extent of not installing a compiler and even the kernel headers by default. And some changes to the menu which are being planned alongwith a few other minor changes. And support is mainly for packages in Main only (though, universe is also updated as such IIRC).Lastly, Debian packages are unfortunately not compatible with Ubuntu's (which are a subset)
That being said, I can overlook the reasons as they are easily manageable for an experienced user ( though the lack of the Debian repository 'sucks' :) ). It has the famed Debian package management and user tools which realy are a treat to use. Also, it allows people to experience the latest Gnome, KDE, XFCE etc at a relatively good stability. The popularity of the distribution now has resulted in a lot of converts and have started a nice user community which helps the 'n00b' to get into Linux ( the forums, wiki, lists, blogs etc ). And its also good for the experienced who want a hassle free base to work with. That is one of the reasons for its popularity.
In the end, it's all GNU/Linux and can be made to do whatever you want ( only the how differs :) )
ubuntu......allot like debian but.......not stable for long
mmills, you could try the next version of Ubuntu which should be out in April. I think that this will satisfy you ;)
from: http://www.canonical.com/UbuntuFoundation
..the ( Ubuntu ) Foundation announces that Ubuntu version 6.04, due for release in April 2006, will be supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server.
The problems I find with Ubuntu is its over-simplification to the extent of not installing a compiler and even the kernel headers by default. And some changes to the menu which are being planned alongwith a few other minor changes. And support is mainly for packages in Main only (though, universe is also updated as such IIRC).Lastly, Debian packages are unfortunately not compatible with Ubuntu's (which are a subset)
That being said, I can overlook the reasons as they are easily manageable for an experienced user ( though the lack of the Debian repository 'sucks' :) ). It has the famed Debian package management and user tools which realy are a treat to use. Also, it allows people to experience the latest Gnome, KDE, XFCE etc at a relatively good stability. The popularity of the distribution now has resulted in a lot of converts and have started a nice user community which helps the 'n00b' to get into Linux ( the forums, wiki, lists, blogs etc ). And its also good for the experienced who want a hassle free base to work with. That is one of the reasons for its popularity.
In the end, it's all GNU/Linux and can be made to do whatever you want ( only the how differs :) )
blackbelt_jones
01-11-2006, 03:32 PM
ly overrated.
Okay, I know, now I'm just being a tool. But I've been wanting to do that for months now.
Of course, I should be careful not to bad mouth any distro, because the laws of irony dictate that in a month to six weeks I'll be using it almost exclusively. It certainly happened that way with SUSE.
Carry on.
Okay, I know, now I'm just being a tool. But I've been wanting to do that for months now.
Of course, I should be careful not to bad mouth any distro, because the laws of irony dictate that in a month to six weeks I'll be using it almost exclusively. It certainly happened that way with SUSE.
Carry on.
horibal1
01-27-2006, 04:33 PM
I'll apologize in advance, I'm a newbie, fresh out of the box, still finding packing foam various places...
Ubuntu is my first non MS OS and I love it (Edubuntu is great, too)! It's complete and I've been able to figure out most stuff. What I can't do is install WINE or a new theme. I thought I'd done it right, but apparently not. Can you direct me the right place to go? Just need some basic instruction. Thanks,
Ubuntu is my first non MS OS and I love it (Edubuntu is great, too)! It's complete and I've been able to figure out most stuff. What I can't do is install WINE or a new theme. I thought I'd done it right, but apparently not. Can you direct me the right place to go? Just need some basic instruction. Thanks,
nephish
01-27-2006, 04:39 PM
this (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/) is a wonderful place to shop for info on how to customize, optimize, and get stuff going the way you need to in ubuntu.
very friendly community.
very friendly community.
JayMan8081
01-27-2006, 04:59 PM
I would second that statement. I found a wealth of Ubuntu specific information there as well as here. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/) Between the two I was able to simply update my sources.lst file and then upgrade my installation to Breezy (5.10).
cudaman73
01-27-2006, 06:20 PM
I would second that statement. I found a wealth of Ubuntu specific information there as well as here. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/) Between the two I was able to simply update my sources.lst file and then upgrade my installation to Breezy (5.10).
And how are you liking breezy? I had so many problems when i installed breezy (and I even used a fresh install, which is supposed to work better).
And how are you liking breezy? I had so many problems when i installed breezy (and I even used a fresh install, which is supposed to work better).
JayMan8081
01-27-2006, 06:36 PM
I like it a lot. I haven't really had any problems with it. About the only issue I had was that it installed gcc 4.0 which I couldn't use because of some of the development we do at work. But that was simple enough to fix. In addition to running it on my office PC I installed Breezy over a Mandrake 10.0 PowerPack install at home.
DanceMan
01-27-2006, 08:53 PM
Can you direct me the right place to go? Just need some basic instruction. Thanks,
Try the Ubuntu Forums. Links are already in Ubuntu in Firefox. There is a program someone has written that will install a huge package of extras if you want. You'll find it in the absolute beginners forum.
But you and I will eventually have to learn a little command line to install something. :D
Try the Ubuntu Forums. Links are already in Ubuntu in Firefox. There is a program someone has written that will install a huge package of extras if you want. You'll find it in the absolute beginners forum.
But you and I will eventually have to learn a little command line to install something. :D
senorgato333
01-31-2006, 04:49 PM
hey i downloaded the iso for this version of linux but i dont know how to get it running without getting rid of windows XP please could somebody help me?
JayMan8081
01-31-2006, 08:00 PM
You can try searching these forums. There are tons of posts that describe how to install linux without losing Windows XP. One way would be to buy Partition Magic, install it under Windows, and shrink your XP partition and create a new partition for Ubuntu. There are also ways to do this without commercial software as well.
Dundem
02-01-2006, 11:46 PM
Hello, I'm kinda new to linux and I installed UBUNTU on my desktop computer and it very smooth. it.
my sound, video, usb to ethernet adapter work great, with no problem.
the only thing is i'm trying to config it to work with usb wi-fi adapter but i can't seem to have any luck.
any advice, also.
computer spec
636mhz celerom
256mb sdram
10gighdd
my sound, video, usb to ethernet adapter work great, with no problem.
the only thing is i'm trying to config it to work with usb wi-fi adapter but i can't seem to have any luck.
any advice, also.
computer spec
636mhz celerom
256mb sdram
10gighdd
JayMan8081
02-02-2006, 12:08 AM
Can you give the model number of the USB Wi-Fi adapter? Also you can try looking at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net or doing a Google for Linux search (http://www.google.com/linux).
Dundem
02-02-2006, 12:50 AM
Brand: Corega
Model: Wlan usb-11 mini
Model: Wlan usb-11 mini
Dundem
02-02-2006, 01:04 AM
Thanks for the link, i checked and there is a chance my usb card might work.
this site i find to be more better:
http://linux-wless.passys.nl/linux_wless.html
this site i find to be more better:
http://linux-wless.passys.nl/linux_wless.html
JayMan8081
02-02-2006, 01:19 AM
Well, according to here (http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_hostif.php?hostif=USB&zoek=hostif) you should try going here. (http://atmelwlandriver.sourceforge.net/news.html) I haven't personally setup this driver before so I can't help much more. HTH. :)
JayMan8081
02-02-2006, 01:25 AM
It might be better to break this out into a separate thread, but another site to try searching would be Ubuntu Forums (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/) as they are forums specific to Ubuntu. From just playing around on my system at home, you might want to try (as root): modprobe atmel and then look under the Networking selection on the System menu to see if anything comes up relating to your wireless device.
Dundem
02-02-2006, 01:29 AM
i just checked google linux and got this site http://linux-wless.passys.nl/linux_wless.html
and it says my card is supported, so monday when i get back in. i'm going to try my luck.
thank for ur help
and it says my card is supported, so monday when i get back in. i'm going to try my luck.
thank for ur help
JayMan8081
02-02-2006, 08:05 AM
No problem. Glad I could help. :)
justbill
02-14-2006, 06:47 PM
I run Fc4 on my main box, and had CentOS 4.2 on this one until last night, when for some unknown reason, it crashed and burned durring updates. I was unable to recover, or repair CentOS so I thought I would give something else a try! I installed "Breeze" this morning, and everything went well, autodetected everything, updated with no problem, and seems to be running well.
I have messed with a few things on it, and, given a little time I am sure I will figure it out. It just seems a little "bare", I am used to a lot more stuff! When I installed FC4 and CentOS 4.2, I selected custom install, and installed everything. Here, you get Gnome, and thats it! I always used Gnome in FC4 and CentOS, but it had KDE apps in the menus that I could use.
The jury is still out here, I'll have to see if this grows on me or not!
Just(RedHatSpoiled)Bill
I have messed with a few things on it, and, given a little time I am sure I will figure it out. It just seems a little "bare", I am used to a lot more stuff! When I installed FC4 and CentOS 4.2, I selected custom install, and installed everything. Here, you get Gnome, and thats it! I always used Gnome in FC4 and CentOS, but it had KDE apps in the menus that I could use.
The jury is still out here, I'll have to see if this grows on me or not!
Just(RedHatSpoiled)Bill
jaja
02-14-2006, 07:27 PM
I think Ubuntu is great, for a week or 2. Then i got bored with the Gnome and the windowsfication. i wonder if bill gates is involved in the ubuntu project to make it boring.... It is a great distro for wifes though :cool: no brain needed
justbill
02-14-2006, 09:53 PM
oooooh, that was tuff! :-)
Justbill
Justbill
MMYoung
02-16-2006, 01:42 AM
Ubuntu (Ewe bunn two) n, 1. Don't know how to configure Slackware. :eek:
'Nuf said,
MMYoung
:D :D :D
'Nuf said,
MMYoung
:D :D :D
DanceMan
02-16-2006, 02:38 AM
Ubuntu (Ewe bunn two) n, 1. Don't know how to configure Slackware. :eek:
Quite true, and true of me.
Percentage of the population that are interested in configuring any software: not a bit more than the tiny percentage doing it now, no matter how how great the results.
You can barely get a small number of people to use the few great freeware programs necessary to keep their Windows installations clean and efficient. We need more, or just a better Ubuntu, more than we need yet another half finished or must be configured linux distro. There are enough of those already.
I'd like to be able to run Slackware or Gentoo. But Ubuntu is a start.
Quite true, and true of me.
Percentage of the population that are interested in configuring any software: not a bit more than the tiny percentage doing it now, no matter how how great the results.
You can barely get a small number of people to use the few great freeware programs necessary to keep their Windows installations clean and efficient. We need more, or just a better Ubuntu, more than we need yet another half finished or must be configured linux distro. There are enough of those already.
I'd like to be able to run Slackware or Gentoo. But Ubuntu is a start.
MMYoung
02-16-2006, 07:07 AM
I was joking, no offense meant and I hope none taken. I give out Ubuntu Live CD's to people that are wanting to try GNU/Linux for the first time. Most people just want the PC "to work" without all the hassle of configuring all their stuff.
Later,
MMYoung
Later,
MMYoung
justbill
02-16-2006, 09:39 PM
Well, this Ubuntu is beginning to grow on me! At least I am amusing myself trying things on it that I would not try on my main box (call me a coward), I think I'm going to keep it around and hack at it for a while, and see if I can break it! :-)
Just (mildly impressed) Bill
Just (mildly impressed) Bill
SMF
02-17-2006, 07:20 AM
I think ubuntu was great for me. I am a lamer. I am glad that Linux is finaly making things easy. I always wanted to try Linux and I had read enough in the past to say hell no, this is not for me, to hard. I just got cable (finaly) and bought another 256 MB of ram and I said I am going to try Linux. I tried some junk called Linux XP desktop 2006 and it was not for me. I then installed ubuntu and I was very pleased. I have been using ubuntu for 2 days and I really think it is great. I do hear some people still having problems here and there but they are either newbie related to partioning as always or something as simple as how do I install Automatix and what not. I like ubuntu and I am real glad it is user friendly. I got lucky when I chose ubuntu cus people were telling me to try knoppix or Mandriva or SUSE but I decided that ubuntu was the thing for me and I think I made the right choice. Alot of people have made the switch and are happy. Glad I picked a winner. Peace.
DanceMan
02-18-2006, 03:20 AM
I was joking, no offense meant and I hope none taken.
None taken. :D It was a good joke. Just wanted to state the other reality.
This time I managed to give away all my extra disks, and there's still about 3 months till the next version. I'll be ordering more disks next time.
If this distro gets me actually using linux instead of merely installing it and playing around with it a little, it'll be an accomplishment.
None taken. :D It was a good joke. Just wanted to state the other reality.
This time I managed to give away all my extra disks, and there's still about 3 months till the next version. I'll be ordering more disks next time.
If this distro gets me actually using linux instead of merely installing it and playing around with it a little, it'll be an accomplishment.
DarkDexter
02-26-2006, 12:00 PM
Ubuntu (Ewe bunn two) N, 2. Debian for N00bs :D
DanceMan
02-27-2006, 12:54 AM
Ubuntu (Ewe bunn two) N, 2. Debian for N00bs :D
If you want linux to spread to more than just its current tiny percentage of computer users, you need noobs, by definition.
You could welcome them, or disparage them.
If you want linux to spread to more than just its current tiny percentage of computer users, you need noobs, by definition.
You could welcome them, or disparage them.
dmike27
03-08-2006, 08:44 PM
I hate to say it but its overated. I had a couple of hardware issues mainly with my geforce gc. The gui is nice slick but meager missing a few things here and there. I went back to FC3 which works fine for me. Plus someone said FC doesn't come with an mp3 player actually it does xmms. you just have to download the mp3 codec to enable mp3 playback. If you need an mplayer I recommend just download xine ...ooo by the way make sure you have apt and synaptic itll fetch everything for you. But those are my 3 Cents.
Late :rolleyes:
Late :rolleyes:
Xrayman
03-31-2006, 11:19 PM
ubuntu! you have got to be kidding. I have used linux since redhat 5.1 and downloaded and paid for multiple distros, if this is the new wave of linux, we are all in trouble.
ehawk
03-31-2006, 11:48 PM
It seems that Mepis will be moving to an ubuntu base. I think this is great, as Mepis was the easiest installation I have ever seen, and includes proprietary multimedia support by default. The one thing I didn't see for it was regular security updates. If they base off ubuntu, I guess that will also become a non-issue. Yay! :)
LinuxHarley
04-05-2006, 02:22 PM
Installed SuSE 8.1 pro, everything went fine but it was a little out dated. So I grabbed Slack 10.1. Slack had a hard time booting because of grub/lilo problem. Tried debian but the CD's I had were screwed.
------ Ubuntu download.
Loaded Ubuntu into my p2 333 laptop with 10gig HD and 312 RAM and stage 1 and 2 went fine. Ubuntu loaded up perfectly, found my digital camera and my flash drive, made me a happy man. Was never a gnome guy so I didnt like it. Downloaded Kubuntu, really didnt like it and it didnt find my camera. So I went back to ubuntu to see if could get used to it. Decided I would read how to find the universal apt-get applications for some of the fun stuff (flux, conky, gdesklets) stuff like that. Well... I did. When I got the universal apt-get list going, I was a "sudo apt-get install kewl prog" maniac.
Still playing with it. Fluxbox installed but had a default menu, so I had to load the fluxbox menu template and made my own =)
Loving Ubuntu. I get debian type programs with RH type install. PERFECT for beginners!
------ Ubuntu download.
Loaded Ubuntu into my p2 333 laptop with 10gig HD and 312 RAM and stage 1 and 2 went fine. Ubuntu loaded up perfectly, found my digital camera and my flash drive, made me a happy man. Was never a gnome guy so I didnt like it. Downloaded Kubuntu, really didnt like it and it didnt find my camera. So I went back to ubuntu to see if could get used to it. Decided I would read how to find the universal apt-get applications for some of the fun stuff (flux, conky, gdesklets) stuff like that. Well... I did. When I got the universal apt-get list going, I was a "sudo apt-get install kewl prog" maniac.
Still playing with it. Fluxbox installed but had a default menu, so I had to load the fluxbox menu template and made my own =)
Loving Ubuntu. I get debian type programs with RH type install. PERFECT for beginners!
Rinias
04-06-2006, 03:58 AM
I have to comment here because I am running Ubuntu myself. And I am generally happy with it (except for those things that simply don't run on any Linux, but that's my own fault ;) )
Now, I know there's a lot of joking going on, and I am not taking it the wrong way whatsoever, but Ubuntu is a great distro. And this is not coming from a "n00b". I've Slacked my way around, I've Gentoo'ed it up, I've Debianed, I've CentOS'ed I've FreeBSD'ed and all of those successfully. And I've SuSE'd and SLICK'ed (nice distro, btw^^) I run Ubuntu on my Laptop- HP Pavilion AMD 64 3400 1250 MB RAM, GF4 (arf...) etc. I'm on Flight 6 right now, which admittedly because it is not even finished, is posing some minor problems, though it is a really nice distro. So why Ubuntu? Because this is my only computer and I like to use it for school work and I like to be able to use other people's stuff and interact with other's computers immediately. No questions asked. Sure, SuSE does that, but I didn't like the feel of SuSE.
On a windoze-izing aspect of it, it is true that it is a bit dumbed down to be more user friendly, but you can still get all the options you want (Automatix does a great job of adding stuff). Dapper is even more "easy." But I'm sticking with it, because it's working and I can get my work done on it and play my games. But more importantly, I can use just about anything I want without telling the guy "Oh, hey. look gimme five minutes, I gotta look at some config files."
Ubuntu's doing a great job- for new linux users and old alike^^
Now, I know there's a lot of joking going on, and I am not taking it the wrong way whatsoever, but Ubuntu is a great distro. And this is not coming from a "n00b". I've Slacked my way around, I've Gentoo'ed it up, I've Debianed, I've CentOS'ed I've FreeBSD'ed and all of those successfully. And I've SuSE'd and SLICK'ed (nice distro, btw^^) I run Ubuntu on my Laptop- HP Pavilion AMD 64 3400 1250 MB RAM, GF4 (arf...) etc. I'm on Flight 6 right now, which admittedly because it is not even finished, is posing some minor problems, though it is a really nice distro. So why Ubuntu? Because this is my only computer and I like to use it for school work and I like to be able to use other people's stuff and interact with other's computers immediately. No questions asked. Sure, SuSE does that, but I didn't like the feel of SuSE.
On a windoze-izing aspect of it, it is true that it is a bit dumbed down to be more user friendly, but you can still get all the options you want (Automatix does a great job of adding stuff). Dapper is even more "easy." But I'm sticking with it, because it's working and I can get my work done on it and play my games. But more importantly, I can use just about anything I want without telling the guy "Oh, hey. look gimme five minutes, I gotta look at some config files."
Ubuntu's doing a great job- for new linux users and old alike^^
GliderMike
04-06-2006, 08:37 AM
I would agree with, and add to, Rinias comments.
I have been using linux on and off (always on now for that last few years) since the early Slackware days (I lost my linux virginity to Slack), have tried numerous distros, etc. Ubuntu is far and away my distro of choice now and probably will remain so unless they drastically change things.
I don't consider it a distro only suited for newbies, it's just as powerful as any other in my opinion. Just because you have a lot of experience and CAN do a lot of down and dirty stuff doesn't mean we all necessarily want to do that for every little thing. I like having the basics work well right off the bat so I can go do other stuff.
This is one of my draws to linux - it can do what neither Mac nor Windows could, which is find the ability to be both user friendly and easy, yet very powerful and completely customizable under the hood.
Way to go Ubuntu. Great distro (despite the stupid name! :-)
I have been using linux on and off (always on now for that last few years) since the early Slackware days (I lost my linux virginity to Slack), have tried numerous distros, etc. Ubuntu is far and away my distro of choice now and probably will remain so unless they drastically change things.
I don't consider it a distro only suited for newbies, it's just as powerful as any other in my opinion. Just because you have a lot of experience and CAN do a lot of down and dirty stuff doesn't mean we all necessarily want to do that for every little thing. I like having the basics work well right off the bat so I can go do other stuff.
This is one of my draws to linux - it can do what neither Mac nor Windows could, which is find the ability to be both user friendly and easy, yet very powerful and completely customizable under the hood.
Way to go Ubuntu. Great distro (despite the stupid name! :-)
swooshonln
04-10-2006, 09:42 PM
gentoo for me :)
bosox79
04-10-2006, 09:46 PM
gentoo for me :)
I love gentoo too, but Ubutu is a great distro too
I love gentoo too, but Ubutu is a great distro too
swooshonln
04-10-2006, 10:05 PM
isnt ubutu based on gentoo?
happybunny
04-10-2006, 10:38 PM
it is based on debian
justbill
04-11-2006, 12:05 AM
I just did a dist-upgrade from "Breezy" to "Dapper". It was painless! Everything is working nicely, including my "GeForce FX 5200" video card!
I recently had some bad experience with FC5's final release, but flight 6 of Dapper (still a test) works GREAT!
YEP, Ubuntu is Amazing!
Justbill
I recently had some bad experience with FC5's final release, but flight 6 of Dapper (still a test) works GREAT!
YEP, Ubuntu is Amazing!
Justbill
Rinias
04-11-2006, 12:42 PM
True- the upgrade was super smooth! ;)
One thing that's rather annoying, though I haven't looked into it much further since I installed, is that Automatix hasn't come out with a Dapper version yet (as far as I know), which makes Rhythmbox completely useless... :s Yes, I could go install these packages myself, but I've got tons of other stuff to do, and I like to have automatix doing the work- it's SOOOO simple :) (And it's legal cause I don't live in the states anymore ^^)
One thing that's rather annoying, though I haven't looked into it much further since I installed, is that Automatix hasn't come out with a Dapper version yet (as far as I know), which makes Rhythmbox completely useless... :s Yes, I could go install these packages myself, but I've got tons of other stuff to do, and I like to have automatix doing the work- it's SOOOO simple :) (And it's legal cause I don't live in the states anymore ^^)
justbill
04-11-2006, 12:50 PM
I already had Automatix installed on "Breezy", so all the stuff I had in "Breezy", I still have in "Dapper" (as far as I can tell). Thats why I did a dist-upgrade, instead of a clean install off of a disc.
Justbill
Justbill
Rinias
04-11-2006, 01:02 PM
Well, I did the same thing, just changed /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade (or whatever) but rhythmbox (and ONLY RB) is being a pain. As far as I can tell, all the other stuff that automatix installed is still there and working perfectly. Just RB which can't read my m4a, mp3, nothing... Just wav and ogg. And now I have to use BMP which I really don't like and which also doesn't seem to want to play my m4a (And m4a being such a pain, I NEVER rip my CDs in it anymore...) But mp3's? C'mon!!! RB is buggy as hell, too, which I don't understand...
old_dawg
04-13-2006, 12:32 PM
I love my thinkpads, and Linux; after lots of hardware issues (due to the way they wire t-pads), I've found that Ubuntu (or Kubuntu) finds the hardware and it works. Any tweaking I need to do I can easily accomplish with apt-get or aptitude. I run fluxbox as a w/m, no issues. I'm not a newbie, I started with Yggdrasil linux, I think the kernel was a .97 or something, where I had to guess the ramdac and clocks of the video, etc... Now I'd rather not do all that stuff, I have work to do. Ubuntu lets me get the job done... easily
justbill
04-13-2006, 06:30 PM
I still have"Breezy" on one of my computers (my main box). Last night I followed this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560) tutorial, and compiled, and installed a new kernel. I know this is not a big deal for a lot of you veteran users, but, it was huge for me! The whole process was soooo smooth, and my computer does seem to be performing better. I tried this with FC5 when I had it on this box, with no success. Personally, for me, the first best decision I made with my computer was switching to linux. The second was the switch to a Debian based system! The things I try to do with Ubuntu, work. The things I would try to do with Fedora Core............well it was a crap shoot, maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't! Being new to Linux (and computers in general) I am learning far more with this OS than I did with rpm based stuff.
This thread is titled perfectly!
Justbill
This thread is titled perfectly!
Justbill
bosox79
04-13-2006, 06:34 PM
good job Justbill :cool:
justbill
04-15-2006, 01:49 AM
Just did a dist-upgrade on the main box. "Dapper" is GREAT! I did have "Breezy" in and set up with "Automatix". And had a lot of stuff already in here. I don't know if all the same stuff is available yet on the mirrors (if you download "Dapper" and do a clean install) . All I know is this was as painless as it gets! And so far EVERYTHING that was working in "Breezy" is working in "Dapper", and faster!
Justbill
Justbill
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