Author of Helpful Hints on Easylinuxguide.com ...

[reiign]

I hate KDE.
I wish the author of the Helpful Hints on easylinuxguide.com would at least mention that these hints are mostly if not all are strictly for KDE.

I, Myself hate KDE with a passion.

Ever since its creation. I have always said it tries to look and feel like windows and thats what we're running away from. Also, it is a memory hog.

I wont go into much more detail about how bad it reeks of bad time wasted.

Please. Dont generalize the Linux desktop and say that this is a "Helpful Hints" guide without mentioning you are talking about KDE.
If you do that you are generalizing and confusing the New comers to linux.

Heres the link i talk about:

http://easylinuxguide.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=25&page=1#icons

[gehidore]

that would be why i use fluxbox

[carbon-12]

I LOVE KDE!!!!!
I cant belive you guys hate it.

Its fast, slick, options out the ying-yang. Best DE of all time. Spanks MacOSX, windows, beos, gnome, flux/black/open box, etc.

WOW! well im done.

[hard candy]

Before this gets moved to the sticky up top,
"Where is home, it's not in gnome,
Home for me, is in KDE,
gnome is so lame,
compared to KDE, its not the same.
Nothing to compare to Kbattleship,
Gnome is just not hip.
and it looks so greasy and slick
without KDE I'd be sick "
KDE is so far ahead,
I think gnome may be dead
I say KDE for my GUI,
and to gnome, I say phooey"
:D

[Hayl]

Originally posted by carbon-12

I cant belive you guys hate it.
lol... i'm not surprised at all.
Its fast
not
slick
- ugly, huge widgets that take up too much screen space for something that should be/can be much smaller
- cumbersome interface that makes basic Desktop tasks slower
- don't follow proper standards for menuing in apps, which makes it hard to even find what you need
options out the ying-yang
this means total bloatware

[dkeav]

i love it too

i love how arts never works and locks up the sound device

i love how if anything is wrong with DCOP every application either fails or runs buggy

i love how slow it is compared to running a WM

i love how i have to move my mouse to a panel anytime i want to do anything

i love how everyone brags about it being better than OSX, and post tons of screenshots where they try to duplicate OSX

oh wait, i just love to hate it

[janne_oksanen]

"Where is home, it's not in KDE,
Home for me, is in ob3,
KDE is so lame,
compared to ob3, its not the same.
And it looks so greasy and slick
without ob3 I'd be sick "
ob3 is so far ahead,
I think KDE may be dead
I say ob3 for my GUI,
and to KDE, I say phooey"

I hope hard candy's poem was published under GPL or I might be in trouble ;)

[markj]

Wouldn't it be better to either make a post on the easylinuxguide.com forums or email the author rather than *****ing about what DE is the best

[carbon-12]

@Hayl

RE: Speed
NO WAY!
- konsole vs gnome-terminal
- konqeror vs nautilus
- konqeror vs gaelon
- kedit vs gedit
- kwrite vs abiword
...

RE: Options

But its not bloat. Gnome lets you change the sames things except you have to use that horrible gconf.

[carbon-12]

Originally posted by markj
Wouldn't it be better to either make a post on the easylinuxguide.com forums or email the author rather than *****ing about what DE is the best

:( But were not *****ing. Were discussing in a calm and collective manner the benifits of every DE/WM.

It just turns out KDE is the best and everyone else is jeoulous. ;)

[Hayl]

Originally posted by markj
Wouldn't it be better to either make a post on the easylinuxguide.com forums or email the author rather than *****ing about what DE is the best

nah, it was just easier to yank Carbon's chain here :)

no one who replied really cares what DE/WM he likes anyway.

[stumbles]

Originally posted by Hayl

- don't follow proper standards for menuing in apps, which makes it hard to even find what you need

this means total bloatware

What standards would those be? Care to point out a reference document?

[Hayl]

Originally posted by stumbles
What standards would those be? Care to point out a reference document?

http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/

Page 17, Linux Magazine April 2004 "Usability is the buzzword, and the 'Gnome Human Interface Guidelines' [1] have taken Gnome a step in a direction that KDE has not even thought about: mandatory policies for user and application-centric software"

KDE has no UI Design standard (that they enforce) like other desktops do.

PS: we were just yanking his chain... and not being too serious about any of it.

[stumbles]

Originally posted by Hayl
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/

Page 17, Linux Magazine April 2004 "Usability is the buzzword, and the 'Gnome Human Interface Guidelines' [1] have taken Gnome a step in a direction that KDE has not even thought about: mandatory policies for user and application-centric software"

PS: we were just yanking his chain... and not being too serious about any of it.

Lol. Got it. Sometimes I need pictures.

[hard candy]

"They rode into the west,
to duke it out and find the best
they were gone so long
I had to kill time and write this song,
KDE versus Gnome, a long feud,
words shouted, invective spewed,
a mighty battle ensued
"KDE is big, gnome is crude"
widgets were flying all around
a lock-up killed the sound
menu's were scrolled
compiling put on hold
"take that you KDE scum!"
"may death to Gnome soon come"
smiling were the command line users-
"Look at those graphical interface losers"
war rages on and on eternal.
from the 2.2 to the 2.6 kernel.
So take care of the window you use
if its gnome-you lose!"





:)

[Hayl]

Originally posted by stumbles
Lol. Got it. Sometimes I need pictures.

heh.

but really, we weren't trying to get anyone angry - we just had to reply to carbon and hardkandy - esp with the poem about KDE :)

dkeav, janne, and I don't use KDE or Gnome.

[carbon-12]

Originally posted by Hayl
nah, it was just easier to yank Carbon's chain here :)

no one who replied really cares what DE/WM he likes anyway.

:eek: Oh I know what your doing. Trying to trick me into giving up. Oh it wont happen.

I WONT QUIT TILL YOUR ALL USING KDE!!!

[hard candy]

I hope hard candy's poem was published under GPL or I might be in trouble

OOOOHH! I just realized I had some intellectual property that was violated! The psychological trauma is overwhelming- I don't think I can function in society anymore.
Anyone know the name of the law firm SCO hired?
Unless, janne_oksanen, you'd like to settle this out of court? How much and when can you mail the check?
:)

[dkeav]

heh yea i dont use either of them lol

just had to jump on the bandwagon, ill stick to cli or a lightweight WM, cause thats my preference, whatever WM/DE makes you happy is what you should use, reguardless of what others say, if it works for you then use it

(pearls of wisdom provided in closed caption for the hearing impared)

[janne_oksanen]

OOOOHH! I just realized I had some intellectual property that was violated! The psychological trauma is overwhelming- I don't think I can function in society anymore.
Anyone know the name of the law firm SCO hired?
Unless, janne_oksanen, you'd like to settle this out of court? How much and when can you mail the check?


We'll settle this like men. Meet me at MOUT McKenna at dawn :p

[hard candy]

We'll settle this like men. Meet me at MOUT McKenna at dawn
Call me a coward, but I prefer money. Besides, the courtroom drama will be exciting! And what is a "MOUT"?

[IsaacKuo]

Is there a good GNOME vs KDE discussion somewhere which is relatively up-to-date (like this year, preferably)? A bit of searching around revealed documents which were pretty old.

I've only ever used KDE because Mandrake and Knoppix both default to KDE. The GNOME setups in those distributions didn't really feel complete when I had tried them.

The main thing I like about KDE is that most programs seem stable and cut-and-paste generally works as I expect. I'd love to figure out how to get smooth functionality in fluxbox, though, especially the tabs, but I really need cut-and-paste to work (i.e. between web browser, shell, and text editor).

[Hayl]

Originally posted by IsaacKuo
Is there a good GNOME vs KDE discussion somewhere which is relatively up-to-date (like this year, preferably)? A bit of searching around revealed documents which were pretty old.

I've only ever used KDE because Mandrake and Knoppix both default to KDE. The GNOME setups in those distributions didn't really feel complete when I had tried them.

The main thing I like about KDE is that most programs seem stable and cut-and-paste generally works as I expect. I'd love to figure out how to get smooth functionality in fluxbox, though, especially the tabs, but I really need cut-and-paste to work (i.e. between web browser, shell, and text editor).

try buying a recent magazine... go to the book store... usually every couple months or of the magaznes on linux has a comparison.

[dkeav]

probably, but the fact still remains, its all oppinionated views of the author, so dont waste your time, here are the facts

they both have bugs, quirks, problems, they both also have good qualities especially if you ask the right person :P

YOU have decide which you prefer and why, as far the technical problems ppl will report well we all know some ppl probably dont know what they are doing, and fixing the error or problem is usually trivial, if you even encounter it

my advice, use knoppix to see them all without installing, or install them all and use em, see which one you like

<oppionated point of view>when you get fed up with the bloat come on over to the dark side MUHAHAHHAHA</oppionated point of view>

[carbon-12]

Top 10 reasons why KDE rox and Gnome is for teh suxxorz

10.) Apps better intergrated in KDE
9.) Gnome has no clipboard and terrible c&p
8.) QT > gtk: better docs, better devel tools(QT designer compared to Glade),etc
7.) Gnome is bloat. Look at the gnome core. ITS biiger than KDEs.
6.) Kcontrol is easy to use and powerful. Gnome has nothing like this.
5.) LINUS TORVALD USES KDE!. HAHAHA take that.
4.) QT apps are sexier than ugly old gtk apps.
3.) Higher productivity. OK say you want to burn an ISO, in KDE all I would have to do is right click, Actions -> burn to CD. In gnome I would have to open a cd burning app, choose burn iso option, and find the iso,burn it.
2.) The gnome website was hacked. I guess they dont care about their community. So very sad.
1.) KDE is the source of all Linux desktop innovation.

Now im going to have to ask you all to go to http://kde.org/download/ and immedatly download the latest stable build.

Ill wait here. GO NOW!!!!!!!!

[hard candy]

This is a pretty good summation (http://cbbrowne.com/info/qtcontroversy.html)

Since you can basically use both at the same time and run programs from both under each other's gui, and you can import each other's menus, there really is no need to decide on one or the other.
Now if you are using Mozilla instead of Konqueror, you are going down the wrong path!:D

[janne_oksanen]

Call me a coward, but I prefer money. Besides, the courtroom drama will be exciting! And what is a "MOUT"?

From America's Army site:
Description:
At the McKenna Military Operations in Urban Terraing (MOUT) site, you will take your knowledge of urban tactical training and use it in military operations in an urban terrain (MOUT). This map has 2 teams: Honor and Loyalty.

Courtroom drama sounds good to me. Meet me at COURT McKenna at dawn...

[IsaacKuo]

Thanks, all who replied to my question!

Originally posted by hard candy
Now if you are using Mozilla instead of Konqueror, you are going down the wrong path!:D

I TRIED to get used to Konqueror. I really did. I really wanted to use it because it matched the overall KDE themes and generally integrated better with everything.

But I've gone back to Mozilla. The weird way Konqueror handles tabs just really bugged me. More than anything else, I need Mozilla's consistency when I close a tab--it ALWAYS goes to the next tab on the right. Konqueror could go left, or it could go right, which I can't stand. Also, when the tabs go all the way across the window there's no immediately visible way to tell when a new tab is opened--so sometimes I think I clicked on a link but in reality it didn't take. Mozilla will always squeeze tabs in so they're all immediately visible. So what if I can't read the title--I can see the new tab open and the circle arrow thingy confirming that it's loading. I KNOW the page will be waiting for me later when I get around to it.

My style of browsing is to middle click on links I'm interested in and to close tabs when I finish reading a page. It simply works in Mozilla. Konqueror? Konqueror's tabbed browsing isn't there yet.

[gehidore]

hard candy i wish there was a law against ryming

after reading the two poems by you my brain is telling me this is all poetry and i read it as such which is a little hard.

if MOUT is as described then what is

COURT?

[hard candy]

If a law against rhyme
is made in time
I will stop this one I write
and to COURT I will fight
a challenge from janne_oksanen
between we two men
my intellectual property right
is in peril on this site
My KDE rhyming verse
was twisted something perverse.


:D

[ZenelithCalling]

modded myself for being off-topic:D

[gehidore]

My KDE rhyming verse
was twisted something perverse.


yes yes it has been

if i had the "ryming skills" i would unpervert it with a fluxbox is my WM yes is

[JohnT]

In the beginning there was "BLOAT", then it became "BLOATWARE" and to succeed the dynasty..."TOTAL BLOATWARE". What visions I have..:D

Main Entry: 1bloat
Pronunciation: 'blOt
Function: adjective
Etymology: alteration of Middle English blout
: BLOATED, PUFFY

So correctly..."BLOUTWARE"..totally!!
BTW I use KDE 3.2.1 and it's not the least bit slow on my box, but I like simplicity and go with PEKWM and call in some of the kde and gnome apps to do duty sometimes.