Sympatico High Speed DSL

[mocho]

Hi guys,

I just installed Redhat 7.2 on my dual boot computer. The installation was successful, but I cannot get Internet connection.

I have read some articles on PPPoe and have followed the instructions. however, it still doesn't work.

When I type "adsl-start" in "/usr/sbin/", it gives me an error saying that "PPPoe.conf" could not be found and some weird symbols.

Anyone here uses Sympatico High Speed and is willing to give me a hand on that?

Thanks.

[sixfeetsix]

Just to be sure, you did configure it by typing adsl-setup?

If so, did you try searching for the file (PPPoe.conf) to see if it does exist and where?

And from where did you install RP-PPPoe?

Why don't you try downloading the most recent version?

[sarah31]

Though RH 7.2 has the most recent Roaring Penguin for configuring PPPoE I would suggest uninstalling it and then compling it from the source available from roaring penguin.

http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/#download

[ 22 January 2002: Message edited by: sarah31 ]

[PimpHolic]

could be that your DSL is actually DHCP and not PPPoE

mine is DHCP

and who is Sympatico owned by? is Telus your ISP ? (phone company should i say)

[sixfeetsix]

Sympatico is owned by Bell Canada which is owned by BCE which is one of the biggest company in Canada (if not THE biggest).

[mocho]

sarah31,

I have tried to go to roaringpenguin, but they only provide a rpm for RedHat 6.2. And I have 7.2.

and

sixfeetsix,

No, I didn't configure that by typing "adsl-setup". Would that be a problem? If so, how could I go back now? Also, I have tried to search for the file, but didn't really know how to search in Linux. Moreover, I downloaded it when I installed Redhat.

And by the way, what's DHCP anyway?

Sorry for asking so much stupid questions, I've only had Linux for 2 days.

Thanks again.

[PimpHolic]

Originally posted by mocho:
<STRONG>sarah31,

I have tried to go to roaringpenguin, but they only provide a rpm for RedHat 6.2. And I have 7.2.

and

sixfeetsix,

No, I didn't configure that by typing "adsl-setup". Would that be a problem? If so, how could I go back now? Also, I have tried to search for the file, but didn't really know how to search in Linux. Moreover, I downloaded it when I installed Redhat.

And by the way, what's DHCP anyway?

Sorry for asking so much stupid questions, I've only had Linux for 2 days.

Thanks again.</STRONG>


DHCP (forget what it stands for) is a type of DSL and is a lot easier to configure than PPPoE - no roaring penguin or anything


if u have windows, run this command: winipcfg

(from start&gt;&gt;run) and copy down all the information for your ethernet card (not dial up adapter or anything like that)
then try using the DHCP option and setting up your internet

btw, Sympatico used to be an ISP in my area, but no longer is...

[sixfeetsix]

In order to establish the connection, the RP-pppoe software needs parameters (username, password, dns adresses) which are stored in the configuration file.

That file is created when running adsl-setup.

So try it, then run adsl-start again and see what happens...

Good luck

[proffy]

Originally posted by PimpHolic:
<STRONG>
DHCP (forget what it stands for) is a type of DSL and is a lot easier to configure than PPPoE - no roaring penguin or anything
</STRONG>

DHCP stands for Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. It's not really a type of DSL. If your computer is set to use DHCP then it will grab all the networking info you need to surf when you boot. This includes your IP, DNS servers, Gateway, subnet, etc...

<STRONG>
if u have windows, run this command: winipcfg

(from start&gt;&gt;run) and copy down all the information for your ethernet card (not dial up adapter or anything like that)
then try using the DHCP option and setting up your internet
</STRONG>

I think that command will only work on win95. If you have 98, Me or 2000 or XP open up a command prompt and type:

ipconfig

or for more info, type:

ipconfig /all

[ 22 January 2002: Message edited by: proffy ]

[Taizong]

Trust me on this, sarah is right. Download the source tar.gz from Raoring Penguin, put it on a floppy or something.

Unpack it in /opt or something, and run the "go" script. It will install. The run adsl-setup from I believe /usr/bin. Follwo the instructions and popualte the data. Next run adsl-start, then adsl-connect.

Red Hat 7.2 is completely ****ed when it comes to dsl. Don't even bother with the rpm packages or their instructions on the site.

[sarah31]

If you haven't run adsl-setup then you should try this first. This will ask you for your pertinent IP info:

userid/name (this could be youruserid@sympatico.ca or your provider may have a separate authorization address such youruserid@res1.mts.net in this case that is what you will enter)

DNS addresses (one or two in the form of xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx the x's represent the numbers your provider gave you (IF they gave you a data sheet))

Password (well your password of course)

If you do not have this data you can take a look in your Windows(?) setup for this. If you have sympatico high speed internet then you will have to use PPPoE, DCHP simply will not work. Roaring Penguin was created for sympatico and is now the standard for pretty well all PPPoE clients on many OSes (Mac (pre OS X), Windows, Linux, etc.)

IF the native rp app doesn't work for you I strongly suggest removing it and installing the 3.3.tar.gz package.

[mocho]

Hi guys,

I have tried to but couldn't even find the adsl-setup file. I looked in /usr/sbin, where my adsl-start and adsl-connect are.

When I typed in just adsl-start or adsl-connect, I get the error pppoe.conf is not found. I have a pppoe, but no pppoe.conf. Is that another error?

Oh, one more thing, Sympatico doesn't give out IP, they dynamically assign them. COuld I just leave that out?

Thanks again.

[Taizong]

Yes, by default the Red Hat 7.2 install is nerfed. You need to download:
http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/rp-pppoe-3.3.tar.gz

then:

tar xvfz rp-pppoe-3.3.tar.gz

then go into the directory it creates and run:

./go (for example /opt/rp-pppoe-3.3/./go)

then run adsl-setup from wherever it may be. Then run adsl-start, then adsl-connect.

You will not get this working by relying on the Red Hat package manager.

[sarah31]

Sounds like the rp app is buggy. Again I recommend removing it and installing the tar.gz file that is at the site that I gave you the link for. (I think that you can just install it over the old one if you do not want to remove it.)

DCHP will not work and setting an IP will not work either. You may have a common IP but it does change from time to time.

The distro I use had an old version of rp and I had to install the 3.3 version over it in order to get it to work. This distro does not allow RPM installing so I use the tar.gz. Compiling the source in this file configures the app to your computer and distro. Then just run adsl-setup, enter your data and then adsl-start and you should be connected. I can send you details to do this both via the commandline and commandline/GUI if you like.

[Taizong]

Oh one more thing about red hat, before running adsl-setup and all first:

ifconfig eth0 dynamic up

then proceed

[mocho]

I have tried what you guys said again. Reinstalling rp-pppoe from roaring penguin.

I extracted the files and first tried it straight from my floppy, which it says "not enough space".

So I copied the files in "/opt/" and "/etc/ppp" in separate occasions and tried from there. Both times, it says "cannot change stats on '../doc/CHANGES'". When I looked into the folder, I only see "changes" but no "CHANGES". So, I just duplicate the file and rename it to capital letter.

From there I ran "adsl-setup", but when I typed "adsl-start", I get a timeout error. "/usr/sbin/adsl-start: line 192: 1875Terminal $CONNECT "$@" &gt;ldev/null 2&gt;&1"

And when I tried "adsl-connect", it jumps into an endless loop where it tries to reconnect again and again.

Also, when I tried to shut down Linux, it failed to stop LPD and NMB, does that have anything to do with it? And it also says it couldn't connect to sympatico.ca using 'localhost'.

And Sarah31, if you could send me the details, that would be great. thanks.

[sarah31]

Hey mocho just a question before I send you the details, are you sure that your ethernet card is being recognized by Red Hat? If it is perhaps it is not operational yet. You can activate it buy typing:

ifconfig eth0 up (that is a zero by eth not an o by the way)

to check that the command worked type:

ifconfig -a

In a set of brackets by eth0 there will be a bunch of terms, as long as one of them says "up" your ethernet card should be working.

As for the details I will have to do it when I get home as it will take some time to type up the commandline/GUI install details.

[sarah31]

Reading your last post again In thought of another question.

For me I have two userids with my sympatico account one is the common:

userid@mb.sympatico.ca

and the other is my actual authentication id in the form of:

userid@res1.mts.net

If your ISP gave you two such "addresses" use the non "@sympatico.ca" one.

Don't worry we will solve your problem eventually! Sometimes things don't proceed very smoothly setting things up.

[camelrider]

It might be worth while to contact your telco to find out if you have any hardware noise filters on your phone line. I banged my head against this problem for three weeks a couple of years ago before finally doing this. As soon as I asked, they sent a guy to remove the filter, which had been blocking the dsl signal !
:D

[sarah31]

Okay. Ready? Here is the commandline process I used to get PPPoE working on my box and a few others.

In Windows download to floppy the:

rp-pppoe-3.3.tar.gz

file. Likely Windows will show it as some other strange name but that does not mean that it wasn't saved the way it needs to be for Linux.

Next boot into Linux and insert the floppy. If the file has the same name as the file on the rp site you should be good to go.

Now open a terminal (xterm, gnometerm, etc) and type:

cd /floppy

&lt;enter&gt;
now type:

ls (that's LS in lower case)

this will list the contents of the disk and rp-xxxxxxxxxx should be there.

Now type:

cp rp-pppoe-3.3.tar.gz /home/mocho (or whatever your /home subdirectory is)

this should copy the tar.gz file to /home/mocho.

now type:

cd /home/mocho

then:

ls (make sure that the file was copied over)

Now you will "untar" this file. Type

tar -zxvf rp-pppoe-3.3.tar.gz

Some data will flash by or you will get a message to the effect that untarring was successful or something alone those lines.

now type:

cd rp-pppoe-3.3/src

Then type:

./configure

When that is done:

make

when that is done switch to superuser by typing:

su

then enter your password at the prompt

then type:

make install

When this is done type:

adsl-setup

Enter your data. When it gets to the part about the firewall chose "1" for STANDALONE unless the other choices apply to your situation.

At the end rp will prompt you to type:

adsl-start

you should then connect.

Make sure your ethernet card driver is installed and the card is functioning.

I can't stress enough if your ISP gave you two userid addresses, like mine did, use the one that is NOT like your email address. This is likely your user authentication "address" and is the userid string that is being used in your Windows setup.

If you have troubles with these instruction post again and i will let you know the combination of steps for setting your connection up using the GUI and terminal.

Note if you are succesful with this post back as well and I will tell you how you can have your connection come up at boot if you like. Otherwise you will have to open a terminal, enter into superuser and then type adsl-start everytime you reboot into Linux.

[mocho]

Thanks. I got it now. It was the username - password thing I screwed up on. SO stupid.

However, just one thing, I didn't put the rp-pppoe folder inside my own folder. Instead I had that in /etc/ppp.

Would that be OK, or does it matter?
And in the future, should I always put whatever I install under my own folder?

[sarah31]

So you are up and running now then? Excellent! It isn't stupid, I banged away for over a day to figure out what I was doing wrong. In my case I just needed to reboot for some reason. Duh..conection worked after that. Figuring out to use my authentication string took awhile too. Duh!

So it ain't stupid it happens. The more you learn the more you forget the simple things and the more you find out that you don't know squat.

As for the download location..honestly I don't know I put them in /home/sarah just so I can keep track of them. I haven't been presented with any problems yet because of this.

[PimpHolic]

Originally posted by proffy:
<STRONG>
DHCP stands for Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. It's not really a type of DSL. If your computer is set to use DHCP then it will grab all the networking info you need to surf when you boot. This includes your IP, DNS servers, Gateway, subnet, etc...


I think that command will only work on win95. If you have 98, Me or 2000 or XP open up a command prompt and type:

ipconfig

or for more info, type:

ipconfig /all

[ 22 January 2002: Message edited by: proffy ]</STRONG>
well you learn something new every day :)
and winipcfg works in win98se, because i have used it before.