Is there a way to make Mozilla speedier?

[kozumo]

Is there a way or some options that I can enable during compilation of source to make Mozilla speedier?

Thanks ;)

[bdg1983]

Probably not during compile but you can turn off some of the bells and whistles to speed things up. If your looking for speed check out the Opera browser....it is the fastest browser you'll find and it's only about 2 megs to download. Once you use it there will be no way you'll use huge-assed Mozilla or Netscape 6.x again :)

Willy

[Malakin]

There are ways to speed it up but it's a pain and it takes *forever* to compile.

If you want more speed I suggest trying an alternative. If you like the mozilla rendering engine you can try Galeon http://galeon.sourceforge.net/

Personally I use Konqueror.

[kozumo]

Wow yet another person from Victoria! Malakin, do you go to UVic?

I've been using Opera forever, but it doesn't support Java and that really sucks, because there's a really cool Online Settlers of Catan (one of my favourite games) in Java and I can't play it in Opera.

So I was hoping I could play it in Mozilla, but Mozilla is so sluggish that it lags my other tasks.

And I really wonder why Mozilla users like Mozilla if it's so sluggish. I'm on an Athlong 1Ghz with 256MB of RAM, so don't blame it on the computer.

Konqueror is cool, but not as fast as Opera. Galeon is underfeatured IMHO.

[scanez]

Originally posted by kozumo:
<STRONG>I've been using Opera forever, but it doesn't support Java and that really sucks, because there's a really cool Online Settlers of Catan (one of my favourite games) in Java and I can't play it in Opera.</STRONG>
Um, opera does support java, I'm using it right now :) What did you try to make it work?

SC

[kozumo]

Hmmm...I don't see anywhere in the options that says "Enable Java" or anything of the sort. Perhaps you could be a bit more helpful, kind sir?

edit:
I think you assumed that I bought my version of Opera, but that is not so. My version of Opera was downloaded, and I think Java is disabled in my case.

[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: kozumo ]

[scanez]

Originally posted by kozumo:
<STRONG>Hmmm...I don't see anywhere in the options that says "Enable Java" or anything of the sort. Perhaps you could be a bit more helpful, kind sir?</STRONG>
You have to download and install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) and then copy the java plugin to the opera plugin directory. Which distro are you using? Download and install the JRE and we will go from there.

[Malakin]

Wow yet another person from Victoria! Malakin, do you go to UVic?
Only times I go to Uvic is for the Cinecenta, I often go with uvic students though :)

I'm surprised you find Mozilla sluggish. Have you tried the latest 0.9.6? I find it crahes too much and it's not as integrated into my desktop as konqueror so I use konqeuror but I find Mozilla performs fine.

Konqueror 2.2.1+ is fastest for me.

I don't use Opera because I don't like the MDI interface. It takes two clicks to jump to a page in Opera while in anything SDI it takes one click. Assuming you have another application in the foreground.

I also don't like Opera because it's not open source and of course it's not free unless you want to put up with the ads.

I just did some quick testing, with opera 5.05 pre1 it took 34 seconds for anything other then the banner ad to appear on deviantart.com and 50 seconds so the page appeared to be loaded although even after 2 minutes it still said receiving data. With konqeror the page was rendered without images in 4 seconds allowing you to start reading it or scroll around, after 32 seconds the images were filled in. I even had animated gifs turned off in opera and you can't turn them off in konqeuror (other then right click menu of course). Mozilla loaded the page in 7 seconds, 37 seconds to fill in all the images.

Slashdot took opera about 5 seconds, 3 seconds in konqeuror and 4 in Mozilla. I tried about 5 more more pages, couldn't find anything opera rendered faster then konqueror. I think opera does run faster on low end cpu's though, this testing was done on a celeron 840. So if you're on a P100 or something opera may be a lot faster.

[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: Malakin ]

[kozumo]

<STRONG> Originally posted by scanez:
You have to download and install the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) and then copy the java plugin to the opera plugin directory. Which distro are you using? Download and install the JRE and we will go from there.</STRONG>

It's in the plugins directory and it can recognize it, but the "Enable Java" checkbox is shaded in which again I think has to do with my version of Opera being evaluation-only.

[ 26 November 2001: Message edited by: kozumo ]

[kozumo]

Malakin:

Konqueror and Opera run at about the same speeds, but Opera is just a little faster and I also like Opera better by preference. Yeah that's what I'm trying to figure out. Why the hell is Mozilla so sluggish on my computer?

Is Konqueror "Free"? I think browsers are a bit ridiculous in Linux. They all suck. Everybody's always complaining about something. They should just get a bloody browser working and forget about making more Window Managers, or whatever it is the keep spending time on.

[Malakin]

Is Konqueror "Free"? I think browsers are a bit ridiculous in Linux. They all suck. Everybody's always complaining about something.
Konqueror is GPL'd, that's as free as you can get. All three browsers work fine for me, doesn't seem to be much to complain about these days plus you have some selection. I would be perfectly happy using either Konqerueror, Mozilla or Opera.

I've been doing some website development lately and I found konqueror to be the easiest browser to write for. IE 6 still doesn't support basic things like css cell spacing (example: {border-spacing: 10px})and it's extremely picky about how you do things. I spent longer getting my code to work in IE 6 then I did writing it for konqeuror in the first place. It reminded me of the old days where I had the same problem with IE and Netscape 4 except the problem was with Netscape 4. Opera's CSS support in 5.05 is nonexistant, although I'm happy to report it works well in 6.0 (better then IE 6). Mozilla 0.9.6 works well (better then IE 6 also). My point here is Linux browsers like Mozilla and Konqeuror are already *ahead* of IE in many ways.

[ 27 November 2001: Message edited by: Malakin ]

[Stween]

I spent longer getting my code to work in IE 6 then I did writing it for konqeuror in the first place.

Perhaps im wrong in saying this, but did microsoft not make IE6 a lot stricter, as it were, when it came down to syntax for things like this??

Although i dont know much about web development beyond HTML, i find it difficult to believe IE, the best browser out there (and lets not kid ourselves purely because MS made it) doesnt have proper CSS support.

Just for my tuppence worth regarding other browsers, i love mozilla, i find its bloody fast on my 950MHz Athlon. I rarely have any problems with any of the more recent releases, and it formats pages beautifully.

I never really liked Opera ... although it was tiny, i hated the UI. And the 'windows-inside-a-window' thing always bugs me. We have virtual desktops to stop windows from overlapping - this method of windowing renders this useless!!

Im sure konqueror is nice, but have never really used it beyond checking my own pages have worked. As for other browsers, iv never really gone there. Iv seen links and lynx running .... sweet :)


Stween.

[Malakin]

Although i dont know much about web development beyond HTML, i find it difficult to believe IE, the best browser out there (and lets not kid ourselves purely because MS made it) doesnt have proper CSS support.

I can't find it now but it is actually mentioned on ms's site somewhere that this isn't supported. It's very simple to test out. The standard is described here: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/tables.html (section 17.6.1)

This sample code correctly displays 2 blue boxes that are *touching* and 2 red boxes that are fairly far apart. This is displayed correctly in konqueror, opera, mozilla but *not* IE.

&lt;html&gt;
&lt;head&gt;
&lt;style&gt;
.tablestyleA {border-spacing: 0px}
.tablestyleB {border-spacing: 20px}
&lt;/style&gt;
&lt;/head&gt;
&lt;body&gt;
&lt;table class="tablestyleA"&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td bgcolor=blue&gt;X&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td bgcolor=blue&gt;X&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;table class="tablestyleB"&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;td bgcolor=red&gt;X&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td bgcolor=red&gt;X&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;/body&gt;
&lt;/html&gt;

[ 28 November 2001: Message edited by: Malakin ]