JoeyJoeJo
10-17-2003, 12:04 PM
This is kind of a stupid question but in a color laser printer, are there any printheads, or does that only apply to inkjets?
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banzaikai
10-19-2003, 04:35 AM
Howdy.
Only inkjets (hence the term "ink"). Lasers use "toner". Follow:
Inkjets can use one of two methods to get ink on the paper - pressure or heat. By putting some pressure behind the ink and letting it loose through a nozzle (like the spray attachment on a garden hose), the ink will "squirt" onto the page. Or, you can use the method developed (by Canon?), where you heat the ink, it expands and forms a "bubble", and the bubble touches the paper and deposits the ink. Hence the term, "Bubblejet". Personally, I wonder where they get the "jet" part of a "bubble", but I'm not in marketing...
Lasers, on the other hand, use a series of steps that place an image onto a rotating drum (using a laser beam, hence "laser printer"), which then transfers a fine powder (toner) onto the page, and then through a heated roller that melts the powder onto the page (called a "fuser"). This is why the page is warm when it drops into the catch basket. In order for a laser to print color, it must have one whole drum (another manufacturer had developed a way of doing it with one, but try finding one of these babies) for each color needed, usually four - cyan, magenta, yellow, and black (CMYK). As the paper makes it's way through the printer, each drum deposits the respective color onto the page, and the whole shebang gets melted at one time. Stop in at Office Max or Staples and ask for a demo - our local Staples has a really sweet HP model.
If you really need speed, quality, and lots of capability, then look at the Minolta/QMS network series of color lasers. They're expensive, but usually have PostScript (R), networking, SCSI, console, and queueing.
Hope this gets you salivating...
banzai "beats crayons" kai
Only inkjets (hence the term "ink"). Lasers use "toner". Follow:
Inkjets can use one of two methods to get ink on the paper - pressure or heat. By putting some pressure behind the ink and letting it loose through a nozzle (like the spray attachment on a garden hose), the ink will "squirt" onto the page. Or, you can use the method developed (by Canon?), where you heat the ink, it expands and forms a "bubble", and the bubble touches the paper and deposits the ink. Hence the term, "Bubblejet". Personally, I wonder where they get the "jet" part of a "bubble", but I'm not in marketing...
Lasers, on the other hand, use a series of steps that place an image onto a rotating drum (using a laser beam, hence "laser printer"), which then transfers a fine powder (toner) onto the page, and then through a heated roller that melts the powder onto the page (called a "fuser"). This is why the page is warm when it drops into the catch basket. In order for a laser to print color, it must have one whole drum (another manufacturer had developed a way of doing it with one, but try finding one of these babies) for each color needed, usually four - cyan, magenta, yellow, and black (CMYK). As the paper makes it's way through the printer, each drum deposits the respective color onto the page, and the whole shebang gets melted at one time. Stop in at Office Max or Staples and ask for a demo - our local Staples has a really sweet HP model.
If you really need speed, quality, and lots of capability, then look at the Minolta/QMS network series of color lasers. They're expensive, but usually have PostScript (R), networking, SCSI, console, and queueing.
Hope this gets you salivating...
banzai "beats crayons" kai
bwkaz
10-19-2003, 02:40 PM
Translation: With a color laser printer, you still have to replace the toner cartridge, yes. :D
Satanic Atheist
10-19-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by banzaikai:
Lasers, on the other hand, use a series of steps that place an image onto a rotating drum (using a laser beam, hence "laser printer")
There is no laser in a laser printer. The image is maintained on the drum by electromagnets.
Originally posted by banzaikai:
which then transfers a fine powder (toner)
All modern laser printers have sealed toner cartridges since toner is a VERY nasty substance. It's a heat sensitive form of Graphite. Where I work, we have a plan printer (basically an A0 photocopier) and the reservoir is filled by hand. You dump the powder in there. I hate doing that and always wear my black shirt when I'm doing it! :)
Originally posted by banzaikai:
and then through a heated roller that melts the powder onto the page (called a "fuser").
Anything hot enough to melt toner is enough to incinerate the paper and the printer. Toner is heat sensitive. Heating it alters it's chemical properties so that it bonds with whatever it's touching at the time. As I mentioned above with the plan printer, it's inevitable to end up with toner on your hands after filling the damn thing and the number of idiots who try to rub their hands together to get it off is incredible. I was always taught that you can only WASH toner off, rubbing your hands together produces heat through friction and causes it to bond to your hands.
The only advantage of a colour laser printer is speed. For anything else, HP have an excellent line of professional colour printers that I have never faulted. I've had great fun with HP Colorpro, HP 1120 and the beast of all beasts: the HP DesignJet 1050C - a monstrous printer that's not only fast, but incredibly detailed. A colour laser is only really a gimic as far as I can see. They're too expensive to be viable.
James
Lasers, on the other hand, use a series of steps that place an image onto a rotating drum (using a laser beam, hence "laser printer")
There is no laser in a laser printer. The image is maintained on the drum by electromagnets.
Originally posted by banzaikai:
which then transfers a fine powder (toner)
All modern laser printers have sealed toner cartridges since toner is a VERY nasty substance. It's a heat sensitive form of Graphite. Where I work, we have a plan printer (basically an A0 photocopier) and the reservoir is filled by hand. You dump the powder in there. I hate doing that and always wear my black shirt when I'm doing it! :)
Originally posted by banzaikai:
and then through a heated roller that melts the powder onto the page (called a "fuser").
Anything hot enough to melt toner is enough to incinerate the paper and the printer. Toner is heat sensitive. Heating it alters it's chemical properties so that it bonds with whatever it's touching at the time. As I mentioned above with the plan printer, it's inevitable to end up with toner on your hands after filling the damn thing and the number of idiots who try to rub their hands together to get it off is incredible. I was always taught that you can only WASH toner off, rubbing your hands together produces heat through friction and causes it to bond to your hands.
The only advantage of a colour laser printer is speed. For anything else, HP have an excellent line of professional colour printers that I have never faulted. I've had great fun with HP Colorpro, HP 1120 and the beast of all beasts: the HP DesignJet 1050C - a monstrous printer that's not only fast, but incredibly detailed. A colour laser is only really a gimic as far as I can see. They're too expensive to be viable.
James
dalek
10-19-2003, 03:10 PM
The old Laser Printers did have Lasers and a rotating mirror. That was a long time ago. I used to work on those things. That was where laser comes from. Doubt it applies in any of them today. $$$$$
The new ones have a thing that looks like a tube with LEDs that put the charge on the drum for the toner to attract to. Believe it or not the old one's work a lot like a copier as far as principal. Put a static charge on the drum and the toner goes to the charged part of the drum then the paper goes through and picks up the toner and goes through the fuser which makes it permanent.
I need to tear apart one of the broke printers I have in the back 40 and see what is in them nowadays.
Later
:D :D :D
The new ones have a thing that looks like a tube with LEDs that put the charge on the drum for the toner to attract to. Believe it or not the old one's work a lot like a copier as far as principal. Put a static charge on the drum and the toner goes to the charged part of the drum then the paper goes through and picks up the toner and goes through the fuser which makes it permanent.
I need to tear apart one of the broke printers I have in the back 40 and see what is in them nowadays.
Later
:D :D :D
keywi
10-19-2003, 03:41 PM
Yes, the new ones have lasers. Better resolution than the leds. But the leds are catching up. The Color Laser Jet 4600 has four toner cartridges. Which has the drum in each cartridge. Wicked design.
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DMR
10-19-2003, 07:08 PM
A valid hardware question, so off to the Hardware Forum we go... buckle up.
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dalek
10-19-2003, 07:40 PM
DMR, that was funny. My side hurts. You gonna pay the Doctor bill? :eek:
Don't worry, I'm disabled and Doctors put me here. I don't see them unless I see a door marked "DEAD" and then I have some thinking to do.
:D :D :D
Don't worry, I'm disabled and Doctors put me here. I don't see them unless I see a door marked "DEAD" and then I have some thinking to do.
:D :D :D
banzaikai
10-20-2003, 02:20 AM
Things that make you go "Whaaaaa?"
from : SatanicAtheist
There is no laser in a laser printer. The image is maintained on the drum by electromagnets.
Okay, then. Tell me how you get 300, 600, or 1200 dpi resolution out of a Gaussian field? What happens is that the drum is charged -electroSTATICally-, and the laser beam (photons!) dissipates/adds the charge at a certain spot (the spot being the size of the laser beam's focal point). Once the area to be printed is zapped, it rolls around to the toner, having an opposite/lower charge, and clings to the parts you want to print. It then rolls over to the paper, which has the biggest charge of all, to attract the toner back onto it. Once laid out, the paper then heads off to the fuser.
from : SatanicAtheist
It's a heat sensitive form of Graphite.
Actually, more like plastic. Graphite is conductive, and would easily dissipate any charge you try to inflict on it. Plastic, on the other hand, loovves static. Jump around inside a box of packing "peanuts" and you'll see how many stick to you.
from : SatanicAtheist
Anything hot enough to melt toner is enough to incinerate the paper and the printer. Toner is heat sensitive. Heating it alters it's chemical properties so that it bonds with whatever it's touching at the time.
This is like saying that anything hot enough to melt lead will inevitably destroy the universe as we know it. Again, the heat is applied to the toner side of the paper, and this is combined with -PRESSURE- from the fusing rollers, so less heat is actually needed (about 200-250 degrees Fahrenheit, IIRC, where paper needs 451 degrees to combust).
from : SatanicAtheist
I was always taught that you can only WASH toner off, rubbing your hands together produces heat through friction and causes it to bond to your hands.
Okay, if you can rub your hands and produce a temperature of 200, then I'd suggest you stop masturbating IMMEDIATELY! :D
Really, though, it's probably just that toner is such a fine powder, you're actually rubbing it into your pores. This sort of thing happened to the Fermi team at Chicago University while developing the first atomic pile. They used blocks of graphite, which had to be hand carved to shape, and the techs would take a shower afterwards, but the graphite would be expelling out their pores only hours later, and they'd have to hop in for a second time.
from : SatanicAtheist
The only advantage of a colour laser printer is speed.
And resolution. And cost. And reliability. And serviceability. And...
Remember, at one time, a 300 dpi inkjet cost over $600. As the technology improves, the costs usually fall to a point where the home/SOHO user can afford one.
I'll agree with you on one point: It isn't for your average home user, but damn they're nice...
banzai "refilled toner, too" kai
from : SatanicAtheist
There is no laser in a laser printer. The image is maintained on the drum by electromagnets.
Okay, then. Tell me how you get 300, 600, or 1200 dpi resolution out of a Gaussian field? What happens is that the drum is charged -electroSTATICally-, and the laser beam (photons!) dissipates/adds the charge at a certain spot (the spot being the size of the laser beam's focal point). Once the area to be printed is zapped, it rolls around to the toner, having an opposite/lower charge, and clings to the parts you want to print. It then rolls over to the paper, which has the biggest charge of all, to attract the toner back onto it. Once laid out, the paper then heads off to the fuser.
from : SatanicAtheist
It's a heat sensitive form of Graphite.
Actually, more like plastic. Graphite is conductive, and would easily dissipate any charge you try to inflict on it. Plastic, on the other hand, loovves static. Jump around inside a box of packing "peanuts" and you'll see how many stick to you.
from : SatanicAtheist
Anything hot enough to melt toner is enough to incinerate the paper and the printer. Toner is heat sensitive. Heating it alters it's chemical properties so that it bonds with whatever it's touching at the time.
This is like saying that anything hot enough to melt lead will inevitably destroy the universe as we know it. Again, the heat is applied to the toner side of the paper, and this is combined with -PRESSURE- from the fusing rollers, so less heat is actually needed (about 200-250 degrees Fahrenheit, IIRC, where paper needs 451 degrees to combust).
from : SatanicAtheist
I was always taught that you can only WASH toner off, rubbing your hands together produces heat through friction and causes it to bond to your hands.
Okay, if you can rub your hands and produce a temperature of 200, then I'd suggest you stop masturbating IMMEDIATELY! :D
Really, though, it's probably just that toner is such a fine powder, you're actually rubbing it into your pores. This sort of thing happened to the Fermi team at Chicago University while developing the first atomic pile. They used blocks of graphite, which had to be hand carved to shape, and the techs would take a shower afterwards, but the graphite would be expelling out their pores only hours later, and they'd have to hop in for a second time.
from : SatanicAtheist
The only advantage of a colour laser printer is speed.
And resolution. And cost. And reliability. And serviceability. And...
Remember, at one time, a 300 dpi inkjet cost over $600. As the technology improves, the costs usually fall to a point where the home/SOHO user can afford one.
I'll agree with you on one point: It isn't for your average home user, but damn they're nice...
banzai "refilled toner, too" kai
Satanic Atheist
10-20-2003, 10:20 AM
I'm not totally up to speed on modern laser printer technology, but the way I explained it was exactly how it was explained to me 10+ years ago when I was in school. Time to head on over the howstuffworks.com, methinks.
The cost of running a colour laser printer is extreme, and I really can't see the justification when Inkjet printers can produce comparable quality for significantly less cost. OK, they are nice, but the cost difference is enormous (in both capital and consumables).
The speed of the device is the main factor. We all know that it's pretty much the faster type of printer available (there are faster ones, even up to 6ft of paper a second!) but only if you are prepared to use it.
Reliability? Well, yeah, how often do laser printers break? Then again, how often do printers break anyway? I've never heard of a broken printer (and some of the stuff I've come across is so old that Noah is listed on the design team).
The cost will fall, but at the moment, it's hardly worth buying one. Normal B&W Laser Printers are still too expensive for the average home user.
James
The cost of running a colour laser printer is extreme, and I really can't see the justification when Inkjet printers can produce comparable quality for significantly less cost. OK, they are nice, but the cost difference is enormous (in both capital and consumables).
The speed of the device is the main factor. We all know that it's pretty much the faster type of printer available (there are faster ones, even up to 6ft of paper a second!) but only if you are prepared to use it.
Reliability? Well, yeah, how often do laser printers break? Then again, how often do printers break anyway? I've never heard of a broken printer (and some of the stuff I've come across is so old that Noah is listed on the design team).
The cost will fall, but at the moment, it's hardly worth buying one. Normal B&W Laser Printers are still too expensive for the average home user.
James
banzaikai
10-21-2003, 05:46 AM
from: SatanicAtheist
I'm not totally up to speed on modern laser printer technology, but the way I explained it was exactly how it was explained to me 10+ years ago when I was in school. Time to head on over the howstuffworks.com, methinks.
Great site! All the above is how I learned it - by getting dirty. I cracked them open and refilled, repaired, and cleaned them on an almost weekly basis. I'd find that instructor and give him/her what-fer.
from: SatanicAtheist
The cost of running a colour laser printer is extreme, and I really can't see the justification when Inkjet printers can produce comparable quality for significantly less cost.
This is arguable. If you're lucky, an inkjet cartridge will last about 80 pages, and cost about $35. Each laser toner color runs about $100-150 (x4), but lasts for 3000-8000 pages. I'll let you do the math. Yes, it's expensive to buy, but in the long run, the laser comes out ahead IF you do lots of high volume printing.
from: SatanicAtheist
Reliability? Well, yeah, how often do laser printers break? Then again, how often do printers break anyway? I've never heard of a broken printer (and some of the stuff I've come across is so old that Noah is listed on the design team).
Break? Not often. Most problems are with jamming paper or people breaking trays and feed parts. I just got done fixing someone's inkjet (Lexmark). It looked as if the ink had exploded by the cleaning station, and all that ink had landed on the carriage guide rod, and physically jammed the carriage in place. After some major cleaning and lubricating, it was back to normal. I've had my head inside many inkjets, but relatively few lasers. In my professional opinion, lasers rule.
from: SatanicAtheist
The cost will fall, but at the moment, it's hardly worth buying one. Normal B&W Laser Printers are still too expensive for the average home user.
{Looks to his right} Gee! Then maybe I should take this Brother HL-1240 back to the store? Two years ago, it cost me LESS than the Canon BJC-4100 did six years back. Over on this side of the pond, we can buy Samsung and Brother lasers for less than $200 (about £125). I'm still using the original toner, by the way, which leaves me to think that Brother gives you a full cartridge, not a "starter" sized one.
What many reviews of printers fail to report is the cost in the long run - the "consumables". Yes, for the low-volume home user, an inkjet is fine. When it comes to high-volume, low-cost, low-maintenance printing, ya gotta go laser.
banzai
I'm not totally up to speed on modern laser printer technology, but the way I explained it was exactly how it was explained to me 10+ years ago when I was in school. Time to head on over the howstuffworks.com, methinks.
Great site! All the above is how I learned it - by getting dirty. I cracked them open and refilled, repaired, and cleaned them on an almost weekly basis. I'd find that instructor and give him/her what-fer.
from: SatanicAtheist
The cost of running a colour laser printer is extreme, and I really can't see the justification when Inkjet printers can produce comparable quality for significantly less cost.
This is arguable. If you're lucky, an inkjet cartridge will last about 80 pages, and cost about $35. Each laser toner color runs about $100-150 (x4), but lasts for 3000-8000 pages. I'll let you do the math. Yes, it's expensive to buy, but in the long run, the laser comes out ahead IF you do lots of high volume printing.
from: SatanicAtheist
Reliability? Well, yeah, how often do laser printers break? Then again, how often do printers break anyway? I've never heard of a broken printer (and some of the stuff I've come across is so old that Noah is listed on the design team).
Break? Not often. Most problems are with jamming paper or people breaking trays and feed parts. I just got done fixing someone's inkjet (Lexmark). It looked as if the ink had exploded by the cleaning station, and all that ink had landed on the carriage guide rod, and physically jammed the carriage in place. After some major cleaning and lubricating, it was back to normal. I've had my head inside many inkjets, but relatively few lasers. In my professional opinion, lasers rule.
from: SatanicAtheist
The cost will fall, but at the moment, it's hardly worth buying one. Normal B&W Laser Printers are still too expensive for the average home user.
{Looks to his right} Gee! Then maybe I should take this Brother HL-1240 back to the store? Two years ago, it cost me LESS than the Canon BJC-4100 did six years back. Over on this side of the pond, we can buy Samsung and Brother lasers for less than $200 (about £125). I'm still using the original toner, by the way, which leaves me to think that Brother gives you a full cartridge, not a "starter" sized one.
What many reviews of printers fail to report is the cost in the long run - the "consumables". Yes, for the low-volume home user, an inkjet is fine. When it comes to high-volume, low-cost, low-maintenance printing, ya gotta go laser.
banzai
dalek
10-21-2003, 06:12 AM
I want a laser printer that is just B & W not color. I can't afford a color one, don't guess I can anyway. In the long run a B & W laser is cheaper than a B & W inkjet. You also don't have to worry about the ink smearing if it gets damp. Toner is pretty much there.
Brother has one that is about $175.00 USA on this side of the pond. I may get one of those.
Get ready for a power bill though. Laser pulls several hundred watts, my HP Deskjet 3820 pulls about 20 watts while printing. :eek:
Meantime, I'll keep refilling those $$$$ cartridges.
Later
:D :D :D
Brother has one that is about $175.00 USA on this side of the pond. I may get one of those.
Get ready for a power bill though. Laser pulls several hundred watts, my HP Deskjet 3820 pulls about 20 watts while printing. :eek:
Meantime, I'll keep refilling those $$$$ cartridges.
Later
:D :D :D
workingitout
10-21-2003, 06:58 AM
I've been working on this stuff for 18 1/2 years, have Toshiba factory training on fax, analog, digital, black&white, & color copiers, so I'll throw my .02 in.
In laser printing, you have a drum/photoreceptor that has a charge applied evenly to the entire surface. You then have the laser erase the image area. Pretty much it just draws the image on the drum as it rotates. The drum then rotates to a unit, usually called a developer unit, where toner is attracted to the image area. The next step is to tranfer the image to the paper. Some units use a corona unit, others use a roller, or a belt, but basically you are using another charge to pull the toner off the drum onto the paper. The paper then travels to the fuser. Here you have two rollers, with pressure & heat applied, to melt & crush the toner into the paper. Most of the stuff I work on use a temp. of 180-200 degree celcius.
Well, there you have it. You are all now authorized to repair copiers, faxes, & laser printers.
In laser printing, you have a drum/photoreceptor that has a charge applied evenly to the entire surface. You then have the laser erase the image area. Pretty much it just draws the image on the drum as it rotates. The drum then rotates to a unit, usually called a developer unit, where toner is attracted to the image area. The next step is to tranfer the image to the paper. Some units use a corona unit, others use a roller, or a belt, but basically you are using another charge to pull the toner off the drum onto the paper. The paper then travels to the fuser. Here you have two rollers, with pressure & heat applied, to melt & crush the toner into the paper. Most of the stuff I work on use a temp. of 180-200 degree celcius.
Well, there you have it. You are all now authorized to repair copiers, faxes, & laser printers.
bwkaz
10-21-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by banzaikai
I just got done fixing someone's inkjet (Lexmark). It looked as if the ink had exploded by the cleaning station, *boggle*
We have a bunch of printers at work (yeah, inkjets) that do this fairly regularly. The ink cartridge will explode inside the print head, and ink starts running all over inside the thing. They're HP DeskJet 860's, though, so that probably explains it. ;)
I just got done fixing someone's inkjet (Lexmark). It looked as if the ink had exploded by the cleaning station, *boggle*
We have a bunch of printers at work (yeah, inkjets) that do this fairly regularly. The ink cartridge will explode inside the print head, and ink starts running all over inside the thing. They're HP DeskJet 860's, though, so that probably explains it. ;)
Satanic Atheist
10-21-2003, 08:37 PM
Well, I was wrong. I'm at least man enough to own up to it.
James
James
banzaikai
10-22-2003, 05:09 AM
from: SatanicAtheist
Well, I was wrong. I'm at least man enough to own up to it.
You weren't wrong, your instructor(s) had the incorrect information. Science is like this, taking a pre-conceived notion or wide-held belief and ripping it to shreads. Scientists also admit when they're wrong, because it allows them to investigate why they weren't right :D
from: bwkaz
The ink cartridge will explode inside the print head, and ink starts running all over inside the thing. They're HP DeskJet 860's, though, so that probably explains it.
I don't think any one printer manufacturer holds claim to being the worst (maybe Lexmark, but for different reasons involving the DMCA and refills...). Since you're on the other side of the state, it may be a Michigan thing :D
I've also stood perplexed at how ink in a Canon BJC-610 wound up on TOP of the ink tank (Canon's 6xx series have the head separate from the ink). It wound up getting into the head contacts at the back, and zappo.
from: workingitout
I've been working on this stuff for 18 1/2 years
1985? Haven't been fixing printers too often (at first), but I got my start back in 1977, when the school's photocopier jammed. Never did get to modify that IBM Selectric into a printer...
from: dalek
Brother has one that is about $175.00 USA on this side of the pond. I may get one of those.
Be sure to get the HL-1440. My 1240 is pretty good, but I wish I could bump up the internal memory. The 1440 comes with 2MB, but you can add another 32M. Also, it does ~15ppm, vs. 12ppm for the 1240. All the neat specs are over at: http://www.brother.com/usa/printer/info/hl1440/hl1440_fea.html .
I've been using Brothers for about six years now, starting with the 660 and 1020 models, and finally settling on the 1240 for home use. I like 'em because you can feed some pretty thick card stock through (use the manual feed on the front, and drop the catch tray in the back for a straight paper path). They all have a power-idle mode to save energy, so they'll sleep after two minutes of inactivity. When a job starts coming through, it's usually up and running in about 15-30 seconds, and then back to sleep. Power isn't a problem with Brothers...
from: JoeyJoeJo
This is kind of a stupid question
This has got to be one of the longest discussions on something the original poster describes as a "stupid question", huh?
banzai "I guess we're all stupid" kai
Well, I was wrong. I'm at least man enough to own up to it.
You weren't wrong, your instructor(s) had the incorrect information. Science is like this, taking a pre-conceived notion or wide-held belief and ripping it to shreads. Scientists also admit when they're wrong, because it allows them to investigate why they weren't right :D
from: bwkaz
The ink cartridge will explode inside the print head, and ink starts running all over inside the thing. They're HP DeskJet 860's, though, so that probably explains it.
I don't think any one printer manufacturer holds claim to being the worst (maybe Lexmark, but for different reasons involving the DMCA and refills...). Since you're on the other side of the state, it may be a Michigan thing :D
I've also stood perplexed at how ink in a Canon BJC-610 wound up on TOP of the ink tank (Canon's 6xx series have the head separate from the ink). It wound up getting into the head contacts at the back, and zappo.
from: workingitout
I've been working on this stuff for 18 1/2 years
1985? Haven't been fixing printers too often (at first), but I got my start back in 1977, when the school's photocopier jammed. Never did get to modify that IBM Selectric into a printer...
from: dalek
Brother has one that is about $175.00 USA on this side of the pond. I may get one of those.
Be sure to get the HL-1440. My 1240 is pretty good, but I wish I could bump up the internal memory. The 1440 comes with 2MB, but you can add another 32M. Also, it does ~15ppm, vs. 12ppm for the 1240. All the neat specs are over at: http://www.brother.com/usa/printer/info/hl1440/hl1440_fea.html .
I've been using Brothers for about six years now, starting with the 660 and 1020 models, and finally settling on the 1240 for home use. I like 'em because you can feed some pretty thick card stock through (use the manual feed on the front, and drop the catch tray in the back for a straight paper path). They all have a power-idle mode to save energy, so they'll sleep after two minutes of inactivity. When a job starts coming through, it's usually up and running in about 15-30 seconds, and then back to sleep. Power isn't a problem with Brothers...
from: JoeyJoeJo
This is kind of a stupid question
This has got to be one of the longest discussions on something the original poster describes as a "stupid question", huh?
banzai "I guess we're all stupid" kai
JoeyJoeJo
10-22-2003, 12:46 PM
This has got to be one of the longest discussions on something the original poster describes as a "stupid question", huh?
I'll admit, all I thought I was going to get was a yes or no. Thanks for all the cool info guys!
I'll admit, all I thought I was going to get was a yes or no. Thanks for all the cool info guys!
bwkaz
10-22-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by banzaikai
I don't think any one printer manufacturer holds claim to being the worst Well, it wasn't that I thought it was because they were HPs, as much as I thought it was because they were DeskJet 860 models. That printer is extremely cheap, and you end up getting what you pay for, fairly often anyway.
I don't think any one printer manufacturer holds claim to being the worst Well, it wasn't that I thought it was because they were HPs, as much as I thought it was because they were DeskJet 860 models. That printer is extremely cheap, and you end up getting what you pay for, fairly often anyway.
banzaikai
10-23-2003, 04:09 AM
from: bwkaz
Well, it wasn't that I thought it was because they were HPs, as much as I thought it was because they were DeskJet 860 models. That printer is extremely cheap, and you end up getting what you pay for, fairly often anyway.
Oh, my bad. My Uncle's got a pretty sweet DJ-7550 photo, and I thought it was reflecting how far HP had come since the 5xx and 6xx days. And if you think the older HPs are crap, wait'll you peek inside the Lexmark Z series. The entire PCB is about 3" x 5", including the motor drive circuitry. I'm surprised they didn't change the standard paper to "toilet" to run through there (which would be humorously ironic).
from: JoeyJoeJo
I'll admit, all I thought I was going to get was a yes or no. Thanks for all the cool info guys!
This proves the addage, "There's no such thing as a dumb question".
banzai "screeching dot-matrix" kai
Well, it wasn't that I thought it was because they were HPs, as much as I thought it was because they were DeskJet 860 models. That printer is extremely cheap, and you end up getting what you pay for, fairly often anyway.
Oh, my bad. My Uncle's got a pretty sweet DJ-7550 photo, and I thought it was reflecting how far HP had come since the 5xx and 6xx days. And if you think the older HPs are crap, wait'll you peek inside the Lexmark Z series. The entire PCB is about 3" x 5", including the motor drive circuitry. I'm surprised they didn't change the standard paper to "toilet" to run through there (which would be humorously ironic).
from: JoeyJoeJo
I'll admit, all I thought I was going to get was a yes or no. Thanks for all the cool info guys!
This proves the addage, "There's no such thing as a dumb question".
banzai "screeching dot-matrix" kai
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