Installing Mozilla from an RPM (was: Enthusiastic SUPER newbie question...)

[smitty1276]

I am a brand spankin' new Linux user, and so far I love it. I would really like to get into developing for LInux (b/c it seems to be appreciated more here than in the world of Windows), but first I need to figure how to do the simplest of tasks!!
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First thing I did when I installed Red Hat 9 was to d/l and install the newest netscape browser, just b/c it was the first one I thought of. Now that I have that installed, how the hell do I uninstall the old Mozilla one that was bundled with RH9? And is it even safe to do that? How do I find out?

rpm -q --whatrequires mozilla

...told me that mozilla mail, etc, needed it. But when I did an rpm -qf on a netscape file, it said the owner was mozilla? What's that all about? Does that mean I can't remove the old mozilla stuff?

Sorry, I babbling. I'll shut up until I hear from someone.

[bosox79]

Originally posted by smitty1276
I am a brand spankin' new Linux user, and so far I love it. I would really like to get into developing for LInux (b/c it seems to be appreciated more here than in the world of Windows), but first I need to figure how to do the simplest of tasks!!
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First thing I did when I installed Red Hat 9 was to d/l and install the newest netscape browser, just b/c it was the first one I thought of. Now that I have that installed, how the hell do I uninstall the old Mozilla one that was bundled with RH9? And is it even safe to do that? How do I find out?

rpm -q --whatrequires mozilla

...told me that mozilla mail, etc, needed it. But when I did an rpm -qf on a netscape file, it said the owner was mozilla? What's that all about? Does that mean I can't remove the old mozilla stuff?

Sorry, I babbling. I'll shut up until I hear from someone.

What version of mozilla did you upgrade to? what package did you use to install mozilla? eg x86 Talkback enabled Full Installer? also for help with the uninstall checkout this thread Uninstall mozilla (http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105440&highlight=uninstall+mozilla)

the forum search function is a great resource to utilize.
BTW welcome to JL :)

also just a friendly FYI in the Future be sure to title your post so they better describe your problem eg upgraded mozilla how do I remove previous version
bosox79:D

[smitty1276]

I think my problem is this... back in the old DOS days, everything was pretty much encapsulated. If you installed Doom or WordPerfect, everything for those apps was located in the \Doom or \WP directories.

With Windows, everything is all over the place, but at least it provides a Add/Remove Program function, and the app itself knows where all of its various pieces are... \Windows\System32 ....\Windows\Common... yada yada.

With Linux, it seems that everything is all over the place, but I don't know where, and when I look in certain places I don't know which progs the files belong to.

And to confuse me even more, I did "rpm -qf filename" on a Netscape file and it said that the owner was mozilla, the very package that I was wanting to delete in the first place!

I know rpm provides functionality similar to Add/Remove Programs... but not everything apparantly uses that package format. So is there anyway to know what I'm looking at at any given time and what needs it? A GUI based package manager perhaps?

[ghostwalker]

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http://jetblackz.cjb.net/

http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz

These should help you get started better and anwser some question.

[bosox79]

Originally posted by smitty1276
I think my problem is this... back in the old DOS days, everything was pretty much encapsulated. If you installed Doom or WordPerfect, everything for those apps was located in the \Doom or \WP directories.

With Windows, everything is all over the place, but at least it provides a Add/Remove Program function, and the app itself knows where all of its various pieces are... \Windows\System32 ....\Windows\Common... yada yada.

With Linux, it seems that everything is all over the place, but I don't know where, and when I look in certain places I don't know which progs the files belong to.

And to confuse me even more, I did "rpm -qf filename" on a Netscape file and it said that the owner was mozilla, the very package that I was wanting to delete in the first place!

I know rpm provides functionality similar to Add/Remove Programs... but not everything apparantly uses that package format. So is there anyway to know what I'm looking at at any given time and what needs it? A GUI based package manager perhaps?


I know rpm provides functionality similar to Add/Remove Programs... but not everything apparantly uses that package format. So is there anyway to know what I'm looking at at any given time and what needs it? A GUI based package manager perhaps?

see my sig you can download a program called apt4rpm see my sig and you can use this program to help you install and remove along with update software. this can take some work to get setup but it will make your life easier. you will also want to install a gui frontend for apt called synaptic did the info I posted in the previous thread help at all? how did you update mozilla?

[smitty1276]

All of the links posted were helpful. I appreciate the help guys. Thanks for being patient with us newbies... I'm sure I'll have more questions for you, but the search function and the links hopefully will help to minimize my dumb questions!

[dysharmonic]

AFAIK, it's ok to have more than 1 browser in your Linux, unless you want the other one removed to conserve space..

Just make Netscape the default and you're set.

As for apps not being in one place, use:

whereis filename

or

locate filename

or

which filename

to locate where your apps are installed.

[bosox79]

Originally posted by smitty1276
All of the links posted were helpful. I appreciate the help guys. Thanks for being patient with us newbies... I'm sure I'll have more questions for you, but the search function and the links hopefully will help to minimize my dumb questions!

your welcome ask away asking questions is a good way to learn:) my phillosphey sp? is search first ask 2nd:)

[deanrantala]

Netscape and mozilla are practically the same thing. If you open mozilla right now, you will see all your bookmarks from netscape.

Since both use basically the same libraries and engine, un-installing moizilla might render netscape useless. But I can't tell you for sure.

And as for the deal with windows and removing software: Even when you uninstall software, you usually get all the dll's and program files removed, but more than half of the registry entries are most always left behind. Quite often, when I get winows boxes in the shop and people complain about slow boxes, I can almost always double the speed by spending 5 minutes deleting useless registry settings that are no longer used.

[smitty1276]

That prompts another question... this may belong in a new thread, btw...

When you emulate windows to run windows software, how are registry entries, and other windows specific elements, handled?

[Icarus]

Originally posted by smitty1276
That prompts another question... this may belong in a new thread, btw...

When you emulate windows to run windows software, how are registry entries, and other windows specific elements, handled? AAH! That belongs in a "how does wine work" thread! :D


Short answer, it makes a psuedo install of Windows and keeps everything in that environment ~/.wine/fake_c for example including it's registry ;)



As for the Mozilla/Netscape problem... ...?...

I would suggest using Mozilla over Netscape, they are the same thing (and as you discovered Netscape uses Mozilla) and they look and act the same

For and easy to use RPM GUI, apt4rpm is a good suggestion, I get "apt" from ftp.freshrpms.net/pub and once you've installed apt a couple quick steps would be

apt-get update
apt-get install synaptic

synaptic is a GUI frontend ported from Debian (apt is from Debian) from there you can browse your installed packages and available packages

[smitty1276]

I downloaded the apt4rpm and all of the dependencies for it EXCEPT FOR apt-server.

Where on earth can I find that?

[bosox79]

Originally posted by smitty1276
I downloaded the apt4rpm and all of the dependencies for it EXCEPT FOR apt-server.

Where on earth can I find that?

do you need a server list? or do you get an error saying you need to install apt-server to countie with the install?

does your etc/apt/sources.list have anything in it?