I am a little confused about the different between a Window system and a Destop sytem.
Which type of system keeps track of the following information; a windowing system or a desktop system?
a) data types of files
b) icons used to display files of various
types
c) methods used to open files of various
types
X_console
11-08-2000, 12:44 PM
twm. StarOffice runs much faster on it. twm consumes even less resources than BlackBox. Of course it's pretty much "ugly" from a Windows (or even some Linux) point of view. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif
hswoolve
11-08-2000, 12:56 PM
I've got staroffice co-operating fairly nicely on bare windowmaker. I've even got it in the dock (how do I get it out of there?)
stu
11-15-2000, 09:24 PM
Hey i have tried virtually all wm and i am disatisfied with alot of them. I like bits from each of them. I would like to get efm and E running again but it probably won't be my luck to get it 2 times. I like black box but it has no shortcuts like i want. I am using sawfish and gnome right now. Can some of you guys please tell me what you use it and why?
Daedra
11-16-2000, 12:32 AM
Blackbox, sleek, fast, clean
what do you mean by you cant get the shortcuts you want in blackbox? you can create your own menus.
[This message has been edited by Daedra (edited 15 November 2000).]
Paul Weaver
11-16-2000, 12:51 AM
IceWM, dunno why. Nice theme for it, no stinkin GNOME/KDE bar taking up half the window.
Alternativly afterstep without wharf. I've got off it a bit now though.
you can see my realy boring desktop at http://www.isorox.co.uk/desktop/snapshot6.png
if you want to get depressed.
wmHardRock
11-16-2000, 12:52 AM
Blackbox. Behaves like a wm should
tminos
11-16-2000, 12:54 AM
WindowMaker: too buggy for me for some odd reason. Netscape crawls, everything gets slow, and it crashes often on me. It didn't before, it just started all at once (literally). I've re-installed but to no avail.
Enlightenement: too many "features" -- slow, bloated, and too buggy for me. Pretty yeah, but too much.
Sawfish: okay. I use it every now and then.
Icewm: looks too much like Windows for me thank you.
Blackbox: too little. But it works fine, the menus are easy to handle, the only thing I would like is the ability to have a key-shortcut to popup the apps menu and so on.
zGoRNz
11-16-2000, 01:09 AM
I use icewm, with a theme so it doesn't look like windows! (the default is ugly) ice has a task bar, and it has rollup, and it is fast and pretty, thats what i look for. Oh and the ability to drag a window from any corner/border. I just got kde2, really only for konqueror which kicks ***!! this is being posted with it.
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Strike
11-16-2000, 01:13 AM
Enlightenment on a machine with any muscle.
I'm beginning to like fvwm2 for a lighter one.
Shad
11-16-2000, 01:21 AM
I use Sawfish, E, IceWM, and when I want to impress people- Afterstep with animated backgrounds. I keep coming back to Gnome/Sawfish though.
When I first install Mandrake, I use KDE untill I remember to change it to something else.
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Paul Weaver
11-16-2000, 03:43 AM
It's amazing how people that have hardly used windows can manage to load up xmms, add mp3's and basicly hijack my computer if I turn my back for 2 minutes.
All I want from a window manager is
oneclick loading of a shell window
oneclick telnet to olib.ex.ac.uk
oneclick access to LinNeighbourhod
oneclick access to tkseti, licq and xmms
oneclick changing window
focus follows mouse and brings windows to top after about 2 seconds (1800 miliseconds)
ability to have multiple layers of window and set them all (licq above xmms, xmms above mozilla etc.
And I love the little processor useage thing in the bottom right - lets me know when something stupid is running (i.e. mozilla goes mad)
IceWM covers that all, and is pretty fast.
[This message has been edited by Paul Weaver (edited 16 November 2000).]
Paul Weaver
11-16-2000, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Paul Weaver:
I
oneclick loading of a shell window
oneclick telnet to olib.ex.ac.uk
oneclick access to LinNeighbourhod
oneclick access to tkseti, licq and xmms
oneclick changing window
one click to rule them all, one click to find them, one click to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Bad Sector
11-17-2000, 01:51 AM
The first time I tried WindowMaker, I sat and stared at the paper clip for fifteen minutes trying to figure out what to do. Then I said, this is stupid and ran with my memory-hog kde.
Then about three months ago, I was having trouble getting blackbox to work, and a friend suggested I use WindowMaker instead since it has the same menu configuration stuff plus dockapps, which rock. Once I figured it out, I absolutely fell in love. It's far lighter than KDE, of course, it looks really slick, and configuration is a little easier than blackbox (which would still be my second favorite).
So yeah, my vote would be unquestionably for WindowMaker.
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TaeShadow
11-17-2000, 01:55 AM
I love KDE and Windowmaker. I use KDE for my regular desktop computing and Windowmaker for VNC sessions.
Oh, I almost forgot... http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gifSlackware http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gif
Tae
[This message has been edited by TaeShadow (edited 17 November 2000).]
madmanZ
11-21-2000, 06:42 AM
lets see, i've used KDE/KDE2.too much like windows for me.
Helix Gnome..they rock the house http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif
but my all time favorite would have to be windowmaker, it was a pain figuring out thing at first, But after i while i'm moving around like a mofo http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
o and BTW..another proud and happy Slack user http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
ille_pugil42
11-21-2000, 01:45 PM
enlightenment!
battousai
11-21-2000, 01:54 PM
enlightenment or blackbox.
two greatest things ever. besides opensource, *nix and neekid hot chicks etc. But they are great indeed great http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
btberch
11-21-2000, 06:19 PM
blackbox
trying helix-gnome right now, but i think i will be going back to blackbox.
just used to it. it is clean and fast to me. i like plain
pbharris
11-21-2000, 06:24 PM
fvwm.
any of these window managers can be changed a great deal if you don't like it.
forrest
11-21-2000, 10:59 PM
tminos: for blackbox, and key shortcuts... search for a program called BBkeys, key shortcuts were removed from blackbox in the more recent versions (removing bloat), and a little program called bbkeys was made to keep them, if people so chose.
Gweedo
11-21-2000, 11:56 PM
Xfce is the best http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Tallgeese
11-24-2000, 02:08 PM
I always held WindowMaker in high regard, as the other Window Managers tend to be too large or resource hungry for my tastes... I like using themed GTK applications (Esp. WhiteBrushed.) The dock in WindowMaker is quite useful, albeit the look and feel of well configured menues is truly unique.
binaryDigit
11-24-2000, 05:21 PM
IceWm.
it does look a little like windows with the default settings. That doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
tell me again how it looks like windows:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pebice/radioactive.html
Small, Fast, configurable with 'iceme' and 'icepref'
Epyon
11-24-2000, 10:56 PM
Blackbox
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"Are they my enemies?"
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"They're all my enemies.."
<Powers up beam-saber>
n0thing
11-25-2000, 06:19 PM
Enlightenment. Easily configurable, lots of eye candy, fast enough for me.
Another satisfied http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gifSlackware http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gifuser http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Mikenell
11-25-2000, 09:05 PM
I really wanted to check out blackbox again so I quickly installed Slackware 7.1 and then blackbox and I REALLY like it. I'm definitly using it when I reinstall debian and update it to woody if it will work with Helix Gnome that is.
One question, I couldnt figure out how to configure blackbox, is there a command I can use for a config program? Also how do I modify whats on the menus?
Thanks
Mikenell
Harvey
11-27-2000, 10:07 AM
Windowmaker!
okay. I admit. Windowmaker is running on my Mandrake7.2 box.
But I have a webserver that is...
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gifSlackware http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/cool.gif
sitting right next to it. But that doesn't have a GUI.
pbharris
11-27-2000, 10:20 AM
http://www.fvwm.org/fvwm.gif
i like acronyms. oh and the speed and easy customization are pretty sweet too.
[This message has been edited by pbharris (edited 27 November 2000).]
Hydro
11-30-2000, 10:37 AM
I am using Gnome on a Slack 7.1 system. I have noticed a really annoying feature that I was hoping someone can help me with.
I downloaded the Forte for Java IDE to see what it was like. This IDE is made up of several independant windows (e.g. editor window, menu bar, browser window). When I resize one of these windows (e.g. the editor), it seems to remember the size of this window and when I restart the program all the windows are made this size.
I have tried Sawfish and Enlightenment window managers and both show this behaviour. Is there any way to stop this happening, or a different window manager that does not have this behaviour?
Thanks.
knute
11-30-2000, 10:42 AM
You want annoying, try the larswm...
It automagically resizes the active window to take up 65% of horizontally and all of it vertically, and then sets up the inactive windows on the right hand side of the screen, none of them overlapping...
OH yeah, it is completely driven by the keyboard... http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif
apt-get install larswm worked on my box http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
...sorry, I just had to
tminos
11-30-2000, 09:09 PM
http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/mad.gif Apt get my @$$ !! http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/wink.gif http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
[This message has been edited by tminos (edited 30 November 2000).]
Strike
12-01-2000, 01:55 AM
hmmm...
counter-strike:~# apt-get my @$$ !!
apt-get my @$$ exit
E: Invalid operation my
that didn't work.. http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/confused.gif http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Hydro
12-01-2000, 07:58 AM
Is hijacking someones post a crime? http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/smile.gif
Can anybody help with my original question - it's driving me crazy!?!?!
Thanks
Strike
12-01-2000, 11:03 AM
Heh, "hijacking someone's post" - good one.
I am pretty sure that with enlightenment you can just right-click on the borders and under the "Remember" menu item, I think there is an option "Forget everything", or you can just uncheck all the things it is remembering. But, you have to do this for each app (and maybe even each time it runs).
nopri
02-02-2001, 01:39 AM
Hello Linuxer !!
I have no idea to installing X, but i have slow computer P233,48 Megs, anyone can help me suggest the most suitable window manager ? Some tell me blackbox, some windowmaker.....
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noprianto.
stiles
02-02-2001, 01:46 AM
IceWM, then Black Box. There is a pretty good jump of memory usage too windowmaker. Anyways your computer should run any window manager fine if not some of the lighter desktop enviroments.
[This message has been edited by stiles (edited 02 February 2001).]
Strike
02-02-2001, 02:13 AM
Check out this thread: http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001529.html
mstich
02-02-2001, 04:05 PM
I would definately go with Blackbox, that's what I use, and I'm on a 450...blackbox looks the best out of all the different window managers, it has a small memory footprint, and is very speedy.
RTFM
02-02-2001, 04:19 PM
twm is the smallest :D
Ion and pwm are both very small.
9wm is smaller I believe.
Blackbox is HUGE compared to 9wm.
BobjoB
02-02-2001, 06:13 PM
Blackbox is the best for any box. light and quick. also it is very stable for being beta forever.
demian
02-02-2001, 07:57 PM
FVWM2 is really small (1.48MB in my memory right now) and still gives you lots of config options. Here's (http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/An_Thi_Nguyen_Le-desk2-1152x864.gif) a screenshot.
*Lo*Tek*
02-03-2001, 04:49 AM
if you're talking small, it's gotta be twm... but with your machine, icewm or blackbox won't be much of a burden... :)
andrzej
02-04-2001, 01:35 PM
Window manager: xfwm
Desktop environment: xfce
This is what I like and use.
twm was also cool (the easiest way of configuring I've ever encountered: man page on one console and a text editor on the second. :cool: No need of clicking :D )
GNU/br0wni3
02-08-2001, 12:19 AM
Well, as the title says.. im confused.
if im getting it right.. X is the "Graphics server" for linux. in newbie terms: "The thingie that makes linux able to draw nice colors and windows"
A window manager would be the thingie that draws the windows, and a desktop manager would be a complete graphical desktop solution?
correct me if im wrong (wich i think i am very much) please!
thanks :D
br0wni3
X_console
02-08-2001, 01:27 AM
You pretty much have it there. If you do "man X" you get a pretty full description on what X is.
GNU/br0wni3
02-08-2001, 01:54 AM
man pages are ugly and unfriendly... :rolleyes:
i love NHFs instead. but of course, if theres no other way around it.. what the hell, ill just man it :)
thanks for the reply! :D
rch-tech
03-06-2001, 03:13 PM
I am not quite sure I know the difference between a Window Manager and a Desktop Manager so let me run this by ya.
Window Mrg - give the overall look and feel of the windows/menu/icons.
Desktop Manager - provides deeper interface like tool bar, "shortcuts" *eeewww msoft word...* etc.
If the above is correct, what is a good desktop to run with WindowMaker that won't slow me down a whole lot. (Not crazy about KDE at this point). I was thinking GNOME.
What do you all do?
Thanx
Molecule Man
03-06-2001, 06:14 PM
The three desktops for Linux right now are KDE, GNOME, and Xfce. KDE has its own window manager, and while possible, it is a pain to get it to work with something else. GNOME works with most Window Managers, though it works best with Ice, E, or Sawfish. It will work with Windowmaker, but there might be annoying glitches.
Bully_Crist
03-14-2001, 05:55 PM
ok, I'm about to try out Debian in a little bit... I am a little curious about one thing though; regarding Window managers, what comes in the 'potato' release (the 3 cds)?, what manager do YOU prefer to use (I don't care if this starts a flame war... I'll probably end up trying them all, but I want to see what's easiest to use...for now, while I get my bearings), and... I haven't actually got Debian up and running yet, so I feel I might as well ask... do I need to manually start X, or the window managers, or does it do it for me (like in Mandrake?...don't laugh)?
debiandude
03-14-2001, 06:23 PM
Debian comes with nearly every window manager I can think of including but not limited to:
blackbox (my fav), enlightenment, sawmill (now sawfish), icewm(small,fast, gnome-complient), windowmaker, fvwm, fvwm95,scwm, twm.
To get X to start automaticall download load either GDM, XDM, or KDM. XDM is the generic X default one. I like GDM and I run xfishtank & in the background.
Or to start from a command line type in startx
Bully_Crist
03-14-2001, 08:30 PM
can someone provide a sort of description of these WMs?
rod
03-14-2001, 09:04 PM
here (http://www.themes.org/)
Bully_Crist
03-14-2001, 09:29 PM
hrmmm... there's precious little documentation for Enlightenmenet, so I feel I should ask; does it act like KDE where it automatically symlinks files with programs according to their contents, among other things?, or is it just sort of a flashy window manager that pretty much leaves the user on his own, as in Gnome (which I'm learning to hate)?
Aikidoka
03-16-2001, 02:38 PM
Nope is nothing like KDE (too windows like) at all. I like it, it's almost like blackbox but flashier. I know I'm not doing it any justice but you can check out www.enlightenment.org (http://www.enlightenment.org) to get more info.
xs411
04-30-2001, 04:45 AM
I'm a newbie and I was wondering if I could get a poll from everyone of the best Desktop Environment. I'm currently running Gnome, but I've heard good things about other WMs. So just which one is the best and why?
Also, what's the best window manager? And why?
XS411
cga
04-30-2001, 09:10 AM
The best one is the one that you like the most and prefer using. There really isn't a best window manager or desktop.
I don't use any desktop environment, myself, as I have no need for the extra features and don't want to spend the resources they require. I run the iceWM window manager all by itself and I like it very much. It is nice looking, simple and low on resource use. It does what I need it to do without getting in the way.
I have also used, and like, fvwm and Blackbox. But ice is my favorite and pretty much all that I use anymore.
It's simple, fast (even on my p233 mhz w/ 40 mb ram), small (< 1 mb download, if I remember correctly), fully functional though it's so small, and damn good looking. I like it because I want something that's fast and simple.
I like Window Maker, too. It has little more features than blackbox, it can be easily configured with a graphical tool, and it's also pretty fast.
I like these two because I don't do anything with the bells and whistles (=bloat) that comes with a desktop environment. But, like already said, there is no best window manager. What's best for you, depends on what you want to do with it.
nite
04-30-2001, 04:28 PM
:eek: blackbox :eek:
fast, simple, nice lookin
ASCI Blue
04-30-2001, 05:11 PM
:cool: Windowmaker :cool:
So far it's fast, clean, and nice to look at. I've messed with KDE and Gnome and couldn't get either of them just the way I liked. Windowmaker is a step closer for me. A lot really depends what you want to be able to use easily. So far I haven't been able to get my Windows drives, CD ROM, and Zip to somewhere easily accessable like in Gnome and KDE. I imagine it's not too hard tho. Another thing to consider is what is pleasing to your eyes, if I were you I'd install a few desktop environs and play with them, see which you like best until you find the one that clicks best with you.
fallenang3l
04-30-2001, 06:50 PM
KDE, lil slow on the side (prolly better with 256 megs of ram - it's cheap nowadays =]) but looks darn good with anti-aliased fonts.
ifred
04-30-2001, 07:03 PM
Blackbox. It is fast but still manages to look pretty good. Sure it does not have some bells and whistles like oh I dunno . . . umm sounds that go off when you click on certain things . . . but hey its fast. I highly recommend you try it out.
xs411
04-30-2001, 07:48 PM
Ok, so I think I'm going to give blackbox a whirl... What do I do to get it working? Obviosly I download it... from where?
I need to install it... from source?
What do I use to install it?
I'll ask questions about playing with it later.
Thanks,
XS411
ifred
04-30-2001, 10:47 PM
Try http://blackbox.alug.org/
that's the official Blackbox website. You can get the source code from there. I'm not sure what distro you are using. Slack has it in the contrib section of their FTP site, you can apt-get it if you are using Debian, I'm not sure about RPMs but if you do a search at http://www.google.com/linux you should find loads of Blackbox sites. To run Blackbox the simplest way is, once installed, create a file in your home directory called .xinitrc (do not forget the period) in the file put:
#!/bin/sh
tkdesk &
blackbox
You can leave out the "tkdesk &" line if you don't have (or want) Tkdesk. See http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/x-windows/bbinstall.html
for more Blackbox installation hints. Try using the .xinitrc method before following the advice in the NHF . . . good luck!
Daedra
04-30-2001, 11:44 PM
agreed
:cool: blackbox :cool:
cabu1966
05-02-2001, 12:26 AM
Windowmaker has been the one for me ... fast, yet still pleasing to the eye.
ASCI...I'm using mountapp for accessing my floppy, CDRom, and windows drives. It's a dockable app that lets you scroll through your drives and double click the icon for the drive you want to bring up in your file manager. I know it works with kruiser and kfm, but I haven't tried any others.
Well, I went to grab the link and it now asks for a password (I downloaded it to disk about 6 months ago). Seems like everything good disappears. :mad:
ASCI Blue
05-02-2001, 09:53 PM
In the past hour I've managed to successfully install and mount 2 applets, a differant clock and a CPU/MEM monitor. I'm gonna snag the mount applet. Thanx for the info. :D
cga
05-02-2001, 10:27 PM
Blackbox is really pretty neat. I'm running it on my box at work now, and like it.
However, I am still an iceWM fan overall. Here this evening, I got around to setting up gkrellm on my box at home. What a cool little program. Anyway, I turned off the taskbar in ice as I don't need it now- all I really used it for was the cpu monitor, ppp monitor and clock, which gkrellm handles now.
For those who didn't know, ice provides workspace switching and windows lists with mouse clicks (kinda like Blackbox). Left click is the menu, right is the workspace switcher and center is list of all running programs. This means I have full control of my system without the need for space-eating taskbars, icon boxes and so on. And with the motifish theme I use, it is not looking much like windoze.
I am happy. Well, at least until the next time I decide to change things. :rolleyes:
n0thing
05-02-2001, 10:40 PM
Enlightenment/GNOME for me. Runs pretty well, but nowhere near as fast as Blackbox does.
WhiskeyBravo
06-02-2001, 11:55 PM
I've heard both Window manager and desktop manager used, but I'm not really sure what the differnce is.
I've also seen people mention "Stacking" managers...like Gnome on Windowmaker...or vise versa. Can anyone explain how they do this?
I'm still trying to decide whice window manager to use right now. So far, it looks to me like WindowMaker is a winner, but I do miss the "toolbar" at the bottom of KDE and Gnome.
enlightenment is also very nice, but same as WindowMaker, I really need a dock or toolbar.
Anyone have any tips or advice?
TaeShadow
06-03-2001, 10:28 AM
Use IceWM. It's very fast and has a taskbar.
cga
06-03-2001, 10:41 AM
Desktop environments, like Gnome and KDE, are really frameworks for applications and utilities to work together in an integrated environment and sharing a common toolbox/widget sets and libraries. You have to use a window manager with a desktop. KDE ships with its own, KWM, but Gnome requires a separate window manager, with Sawfish and Enlightenment being popular now.
A window manager is a program that draws the windows and assorted decorations and handles the user interaction via the mouse, keyboard etc. You can run many of the window managers stand alone, without the added overhead of a desktop. Most have their own menu and dock/toolbar.
The advantage to a desktop is the integration of apps, drag and drop functionality, and consistent look and feel. The disadvantage is the resource drain and added complexity of the system.
Solo window managers tend to be lighter on the resources, faster, more stable and easier to use. I run iceWM (http://www.icewm.org) solo and like it very much. It has a very functional, nicely customizable task bar, and can mimic Windows, OS/2, Mac OS, Motif or be totally unique if you choose.
Try out a few different window managers and desktops to discover what you prefer.
FunkSoulBrother
07-06-2001, 05:30 AM
I'm a little confused still by the concept of window managers. I know that KDE and GNOME both have apps that are desigend for them. Does this mean I can't run a Kwhatever under GNOME? How about all these other ones, like enlightenment and such? Do they require even more apps, or are they derivative of the first 2?
X_console
07-06-2001, 05:36 AM
KDE and GNOME are desktop managers, not window managers. Desktop managers just add a little more spice to what you've got. Desktop managers depend on a window manager to be present before they can run. This is true for KDE as well. KDE actually uses it's own window manager, I think it's called kwm. You can run Kwhatever or Gwhatever under GNOME or KDE so long as you have the proper libraries to run them. You can also run these apps without even having GNOME or KDE installed, so long as you have a window manager installed, such as Blackbox or Enlightenment. Again, all you need are the GNOME/KDE libraries that they depend on.
X_console
07-06-2001, 05:37 AM
By the way, this should be in the Window Manager forum, so I'm moving it over there. Continue the discussion there.
FunkSoulBrother
07-06-2001, 05:56 AM
So if GNOME and KDE are desktop managers, and blackbox and enlightenment are window managers, why are they on the same menu? Would it be quicker to just run a window manager? just a llittle confused here.
X_console
07-06-2001, 06:03 AM
One thing you'll notice when you run Blackbox or E is that they don't come with the taskbar, the "Start" button and loads of other things. Yes, it is much faster to just use a window manager, but it's also easy to switch between a window manager and a desktop manager or between different window managers. Hence why they can appear on the same menu. As I said, if you've installed both KDE and GNOME, then you can use both of their software regardless of what desktop manager or window manager you're running.
Did I answer your question?
FunkSoulBrother
07-06-2001, 02:37 PM
yeah, I think I've got it. Now I get to play around with all of these to see which I like the most :D
Thanks for your help
raab
08-05-2001, 08:49 PM
Hi,
I have been using both Gnome and KDE, but they both seen to be a little heavy on the resources (only 64 MB RAM). My question is, are there any window managers that don't use as much memory?
demetrius
08-05-2001, 09:02 PM
Yes, just about all of them are lighter in the resource department then Gnome and KDE. Check out WindowMaker, Blackbox and IceWM for starters. They seem to be the most feature rich while still being nice and slim. My personal preference is Enlightenment, which although not as resource hungry as Gnome or KDE, is a bit hungrier then any that I mentioned above.
TacKat
08-05-2001, 09:18 PM
For convenience the websites are as follows:
IceWM (http://icewm.sourceforge.net/)
Blackbox (http://blackbox.alug.org/)
WMaker (http://www.windowmaker.org/)
tansy
08-05-2001, 11:03 PM
So this is liable to start a: is not-is too-is not-is too debate.. and i am sure everyone has their favourites.. but IceWM has the same feel of Gnome and KDE but in a VASTLy lighter weight package.
A hint.. goto the Linux button > IceWM > Settings > icepref
anton
11-29-2001, 10:54 PM
Hello,
I'm looking for the following features in wm:
1. Taskbar (with auto-hide feature)
2. Quickstart bar (or something, where I can put like 6 icons and start up programs ... also with auto-hide feature).
3. to be able to use Alt-Tab
4. to be able to use alt-f4 (close window)
5. to have nice interface (like blackbox :) )
6. and highly customizable decorations (like enlightment ?)
7. and so that I can configure that double click on title bar will maximize/restore window :)
8. don't really have to have a menu , but preferably to have "run" text field somewhere (auto-hide also ?) :)
9. to be faster than kde :)
well, I think that's it ... what would u suggest me besides gnome and kde ?
thanks :)
Strike
11-29-2001, 11:15 PM
um, you described Windows
try something new
anton
11-29-2001, 11:43 PM
Strike :
I don't see anything more useful ... you get full desktop for your apps, nothing takes space , easy access for switching between apps, and easy way to run often used apps...
I don't see anything more useful ... you get full desktop for your apps, nothing takes space , easy access for switching between apps, and easy way to run often used apps...</STRONG>
No offense, but you don't know what extra new stuff other desktops have to offer without trying them. I find my Enlightenment desktop to be infinitely more usable than just about any other desktop because of several features you didn't list:
Nicely organized menus
Window shading
An iconbox to keep track of iconified apps
A wonderful pager with snapshotting
Virtual desktop support with mouse edge flip
The ability to "remember" certain attributes of certain apps such as location, size, and whether or not to start on startup of E
Stick/unstick
Wonderful keyboard and mouse shortcuts
A lot of these are offered by other window managers as well, and these aren't the only reasons I like Enlightenment for my desktop, but this is a much different list than yours. Using most window managers (except KDE and GNOME) in Linux is a learning experience, just like using Linux itself is. And I've found that, like Linux, taking the time to learn the new stuff and being able to make an educated decision about what you want is well worth it.
WilliamWallace
11-30-2001, 01:44 PM
i think his original intentions were to cause a stir in regard to windows. just another troll... :rolleyes:
anton
11-30-2001, 01:59 PM
WilliamWallace: no, my intentions were not to stir in a regard to windows
well , I'll try blackbox again, maybe I'll get used to it :)
Frith
11-30-2001, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by anton:
<STRONG>Hello,
I'm looking for the following features in wm:
1. Taskbar (with auto-hide feature)
2. Quickstart bar (or something, where I can put like 6 icons and start up programs ... also with auto-hide feature).
3. to be able to use Alt-Tab
4. to be able to use alt-f4 (close window)
5. to have nice interface (like blackbox :) )
6. and highly customizable decorations (like enlightment ?)
7. and so that I can configure that double click on title bar will maximize/restore window :)
8. don't really have to have a menu , but preferably to have "run" text field somewhere (auto-hide also ?) :)
9. to be faster than kde :)
well, I think that's it ... what would u suggest me besides gnome and kde ?
thanks :)</STRONG>
check out IceWM... it's kinda windows-ish, and it can look and act kinda decent. (the themes for it are kinda fugly, though)
knute
11-30-2001, 11:35 PM
I use a sawfish/gnome combo myself.
Sawfish by itself is cool though. As for tasks, you can set up whatever combo you want for switching windows, and it also has the ability to list all the windows that are currently running, whether iconified or not with the cycleing (it is an ugliness setting).
You can set it up so that you can move and resize windows using only the kbd, and also to be able to start any program with a simple key combination. (I have mutt, Eterm, and powershell set up atm. Have to set up a few more though.) And I didn't mention shading/unshading, Iconifying/uniconifying, or even restarting the WM from the kbd.
Ok, so I don't like mice that much! :p
Then I didn't even mention the keystrokes to set a window so that it is ignored in the cycle list, and to make it borderless or sticky, or whatever. It's :cool:!
slacker_x
12-05-2001, 03:29 AM
My vote is for IceWM.
I used to use Gnome/Sawfish, but I wanted something lighter so I tried window maker, blackbox and icewm.
Initially I tried window maker and then blackbox. They are both pretty decent, but I don't think there is anything better than a windows style taskbar for quickly switching between applications and monitoring what applications are open.
mangeli
12-05-2001, 10:46 AM
Try Fluxbox. Its based on BB, but it has all the addons.
z0mbix
12-05-2001, 11:48 AM
How about fluxbox, blackbox, or enlightenment with a gnome panel or two? That little panel can come in really handy.
gcb
12-05-2001, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>How about fluxbox, blackbox, or enlightenment with a gnome panel or two? That little panel can come in really handy.</STRONG>
yep...that's what i've been doing lately...i run fluxbox with a ghome panel, & you can pretty much throw in all that extra stuff you mentioned in a gnome panel.
Ludootje
12-06-2001, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by anton:
<STRONG>Hello,
I'm looking for the following features in wm:
1. Taskbar (with auto-hide feature)
2. Quickstart bar (or something, where I can put like 6 icons and start up programs ... also with auto-hide feature).
3. to be able to use Alt-Tab
4. to be able to use alt-f4 (close window)
5. to have nice interface (like blackbox :) )
6. and highly customizable decorations (like enlightment ?)
7. and so that I can configure that double click on title bar will maximize/restore window :)
8. don't really have to have a menu , but preferably to have "run" text field somewhere (auto-hide also ?) :)
9. to be faster than kde :)
well, I think that's it ... what would u suggest me besides gnome and kde ?
Originally posted by knute:
<STRONG>I use a sawfish/gnome combo myself.
Sawfish by itself is cool though. As for tasks, you can set up whatever combo you want for switching windows, and it also has the ability to list all the windows that are currently running, whether iconified or not with the cycleing (it is an ugliness setting).
You can set it up so that you can move and resize windows using only the kbd, and also to be able to start any program with a simple key combination. (I have mutt, Eterm, and powershell set up atm. Have to set up a few more though.) And I didn't mention shading/unshading, Iconifying/uniconifying, or even restarting the WM from the kbd.
Ok, so I don't like mice that much! :p
Then I didn't even mention the keystrokes to set a window so that it is ignored in the cycle list, and to make it borderless or sticky, or whatever. It's :cool:!</STRONG>
?
where can you configure so much for sawfish? is there a control center or something like that for it? also, where do i put my sawfish theme+tell sawfish to use that one?
also, to use windowmaker i have to run wmaker.inst first. i can't the use sawfish by itself, only as wm for another wm or a de. is there a sawfish.inst or anything to run for sawfish too?
Ludootje
12-07-2001, 10:26 AM
knute or anyone else please?
z0mbix
12-07-2001, 12:40 PM
Ludo - from within the gnome control center there is a sawsish option. You can select wm theme there also. To bring the sawfish configuration GUI up, you either right or middle click and select configuration. It's all on there :)
Ludootje
12-09-2001, 02:35 PM
heh dumb from me :o
tnx
(but currently my xwindows isn't working, so after my exams i'll upgrade to mandrake8.1 again, with the hope that xwindows works, and then configure sawfish)
Originally posted by sheek:
<STRONG>BLACKBOX :D
[ 09 December 2001: Message edited by: sheek ]</STRONG>
Good call!
:cool: blackbox :cool:
anton
12-10-2001, 01:16 PM
I'm using blackbox for a week or two or so already , and it's been good so far :) even X don't hangs anymore :) ... though found one very annoying problem with it (or bbkeys) ... it got really big problem with focusing right windows' :(
Molecule Man
12-10-2001, 07:02 PM
Put the following in your ~/.xinitrc file:
panel &
sawfish
Configure sawfish with a few binding s and you are all set.
knute
12-10-2001, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>Ludo - from within the gnome control center there is a sawsish option. You can select wm theme there also. To bring the sawfish configuration GUI up, you either right or middle click and select configuration. It's all on there :)</STRONG>
Yeah! What he said!
Actually, I've heard that sawfish can be configured completely from the command line, but I don't know lisp so I haven't tried that yet! :D
George Kilroy
12-11-2001, 01:00 AM
Ratpoison! (http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/)
z0mbix
12-11-2001, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by anton:
<STRONG>I'm using blackbox for a week or two or so already , and it's been good so far :) even X don't hangs anymore :) ... though found one very annoying problem with it (or bbkeys) ... it got really big problem with focusing right windows' :(</STRONG>
This sounds odd, I'd scrap what bbkeys config you have a start again, if you haven't spent too long doing so as I've never had any problems with it. Also, if you want to start it iconized, add "bbkeys -i &" to your ~/.xinitrc file as it can be annoying just sitting there! :)
mrBen
12-11-2001, 06:08 AM
Don't scrap BBKeys yet. The problem may be that you are used to the Windows method of focusing - ie you click on it and it stays focused. By default blackbox uses sloppy focusing, whereby the window that is focused is the one in which the mouse cursor is, regardless of whether clicked. The focused window can even be behind other windows at times.
To change this setting you'll need to edit your config file - check the man page for the different types of focus.
M8ram
12-11-2001, 06:27 AM
Hi,
This question is really related to choosing a window manager (I'm sticking with KDE untill I have time to learn anythinh else), but since I read some of you guys added the Gnome panel to other windowmanagers I was hoping somebody would know how to remove it again....
What I did was this;
After upgrading from RH7.1 to RH7.2 I was trying some new settings for KDE and somehow the KDE taskbar got screwed up.
Whenever I started Linux the taskbar would be visible but after moving my mouse over it twice it disapeared and there was no way to get it back.
Since I believed the taskbar was named panel I opened the command line with ALT+F2 and typed panel.
Most of you will already have fidured out that that resulted in the Gnome-panel opening under the KDE window manager... :mad:
For my regular users starting the KDE-config wizard solved the problem but as root the problem still persists.
Now every time I log in as root I get an error message saying I am trying to run a Gnome app without running the Gnome window manager...
I have been able to start the KDE kicker as it apparantly is called, so now I have two taskbars... :mad:
So can anybody tell me how to close the Gnome-panel? Or what it's name in top is so I can look up it's PID...
Thanks in advance!
mrBen
12-11-2001, 06:33 AM
It's probably just called Panel - try typing ps -aux | grep panel and see what you get. If it's doing it every time, it must have been added into one of the config files - check your .xinitrc / .Xsession files in your home directory and see if it is named. Then just comment (#) it out, or delete it (if you're _really_ sure).
anton
12-11-2001, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by mrBen:
<STRONG>Don't scrap BBKeys yet. The problem may be that you are used to the Windows method of focusing - ie you click on it and it stays focused. By default blackbox uses sloppy focusing, whereby the window that is focused is the one in which the mouse cursor is, regardless of whether clicked. The focused window can even be behind other windows at times.
To change this setting you'll need to edit your config file - check the man page for the different types of focus.</STRONG>
no, it's not that problem, b/c I did change this focus method to a "click" method right at the start :)
the problem is that like with mozilla, when I switch to it via ALt-Tab, or close another window via Alt-F4 , I don't see cursor in mozilla ... and thereofe can't type there :( the same is with many other programs :(
Ludootje
12-17-2001, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by mrBen:
<STRONG>It's probably just called Panel - try typing ps -aux | grep panel and see what you get. If it's doing it every time, it must have been added into one of the config files - check your .xinitrc / .Xsession files in your home directory and see if it is named. Then just comment (#) it out, or delete it (if you're _really_ sure).</STRONG>
it's called "kicker"
cmd: kicker &
Ludootje
12-17-2001, 07:53 AM
the gnome panel is "panel &"
the kde panel is "kicker &"
is there a cmd for the icewm panel?
Joeri Sebrechts
12-17-2001, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by anton:
<STRONG>1. Taskbar (with auto-hide feature)
2. Quickstart bar (or something, where I can put like 6 icons and start up programs ... also with auto-hide feature).
3. to be able to use Alt-Tab
4. to be able to use alt-f4 (close window)
5. to have nice interface (like blackbox :) )
6. and highly customizable decorations (like enlightment ?)
7. and so that I can configure that double click on title bar will maximize/restore window :)
8. don't really have to have a menu , but preferably to have "run" text field somewhere (auto-hide also ?) :)
9. to be faster than kde :)
</STRONG>
Ah, a windows lover :)
Well, there is a simple answer for people who really, really want the windows interface on linux. It's called qvwm. With a Q, for the sound the japanese number nine makes when you pronounce it, and a V for the roman numeral five. There are no gui configuration tools, as far as I know, so you'll have to populate the desktop with icons yourself, but it can emulate all variations (some would say mutations) of windows, to such a degree of duplication that you can make it REALLY difficult for someone to notice they're working on linux.
On top of the fact that it can be configured to bake pancakes and dance a jig at the same time, it's also rock-solid (much more solid than the windows interface itself) and lightning fast. You can even add applications to the tray area :) Anyway, I guess you can see I really like it. If only you could more easily tune it without opening up an editor...
So I still use windowmaker and KDE myself.
palm1
12-19-2001, 02:28 PM
Don't know how many of you have tried this but go to www.ximian.com (http://www.ximian.com) and check out their version of GNOME. It's a great interface and has a couple of bundled in applications that people who use Windows 9X can easily transition to (EVOLUTION, Baby!). Much better interface that the standard one given out by RH 7.1. It still uses sawfish as the windows manager but it seems pretty quick to load and launch apps.
Ludootje
12-29-2001, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Joeri Sebrechts:
<STRONG>Ah, a windows lover :)
Well, there is a simple answer for people who really, really want the windows interface on linux. It's called qvwm. With a Q, for the sound the japanese number nine makes when you pronounce it, and a V for the roman numeral five. There are no gui configuration tools, as far as I know, so you'll have to populate the desktop with icons yourself, but it can emulate all variations (some would say mutations) of windows, to such a degree of duplication that you can make it REALLY difficult for someone to notice they're working on linux.
On top of the fact that it can be configured to bake pancakes and dance a jig at the same time, it's also rock-solid (much more solid than the windows interface itself) and lightning fast. You can even add applications to the tray area :) Anyway, I guess you can see I really like it. If only you could more easily tune it without opening up an editor...
So I still use windowmaker and KDE myself.</STRONG>
where can i get qvwm?
z0mbix
12-29-2001, 07:02 PM
Why not try a google/linux search (http://www.google.com/linux?restrict=linux&hl=en&q=download+qvwm)? Why don't you check that before posting? You seem to ask simple questions here when you could get a much quicker response by trying google or other obvious places? ;)
Ludootje
12-31-2001, 02:04 PM
sorry :o
JavaCowboy
02-27-2002, 05:54 PM
For me, the Gnome vs. KDE debates are irrelevant, because for me there's only one window manager for me:
:cool: WindowMaker :cool:
Here's the WindowMaker Top 10 list:
1) It loads in about a second or less.
2) It's lean and mean, very little memory consumption.
3) It has a very simple and unintrusive user interface.
4) You can still run all the GNOME and KDE programs.
5) You can move your programs to another desktop by simply dragging them over to the far right or left.
6) The paperclip: a very intuitive interface for switching desktops.
7) Right-clicking brings up a complete menu of commands and applications, allowing you to open whatever you want without having to move your mouse ALL THE WAY OVER to the Start/K/Footprint button, especially if you're as ultra lazy as I am :D .
8) The ability to assign your own key bindings to EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM you use as well as various system functions.
9) An extremely intuitive and effecient interface to build your entire applications menu, displaying the menu exactly as it will appear when you actually use it, allowing you to assign/capture keyboard shortcuts as you add new applications to your menu.
10) And best of all, it forces you to use the command line instead of the wimpy GUI tools.
:cool: Window Maker :cool:
TaeShadow
02-27-2002, 06:25 PM
The single reason why I cannot use Window Maker:
The close button cannot be moved to the left.
ntt.
02-27-2002, 07:27 PM
I'm posting from windowmaker right now, and - well - nah, it's not for me. Things I don't like:
1) No panel, which means no tidy place to put uesful stuff like clock or email notifier.
2) Where's the maximise button? I can't find how you get one, and that's very useful when you have a 15 inch monitor!
But it does load fast - and that's good - mmm... speed.
There must be a setting somewhere for getting a maximise button...
/me starts searching...
Jomboni
02-27-2002, 08:32 PM
It seemed nice, my main issue is that upon first setting it up, it's ugly. And I know that shouldn't be a cricitism since it's very easy to find nice themes for it, but bleh...
Actually, most window manager's default configurations are pretty hideous.
kuber
02-27-2002, 09:34 PM
I never really saw the point of the dock. I mean if you have a right-click menu on hand, what is the point of the dock? Seems redundant.
:cool: blackbox :cool:
JavaCowboy
02-27-2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Dave Angel:
<STRONG>I'm posting from windowmaker right now, and - well - nah, it's not for me. Things I don't like:
1) No panel, which means no tidy place to put uesful stuff like clock or email notifier.
2) Where's the maximise button? I can't find how you get one, and that's very useful when you have a 15 inch monitor!
But it does load fast - and that's good - mmm... speed.
There must be a setting somewhere for getting a maximise button...
/me starts searching...</STRONG>
Please let us know if and when you find one.
ntt.
02-28-2002, 09:32 AM
I didn't - so I tried IceWM, which has possibilty, but it's damn hard to set up - no tools to do it, it's all text files (which wouldn't be difficult, but it didn't seem to find them!)
Been trying to get IcePref working, but python / gtk+ seem to be thowing errors at me, so until then,
:cool: Gnome :cool:
Nah, sorry, can't live with windowmaker - icons splattered all over the place. Yuk.
z0mbix
02-28-2002, 09:42 AM
let me educate you all:
:cool: fluxbox :cool:
New version out next week. Comes with free sex when installed on Slack...
mangeli
02-28-2002, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>let me educate you all:
:cool: fluxbox :cool:
New version out next week. Comes with free sex when installed on Slack...</STRONG>
Yea, but everything comes with free sex when installed on Slack.
ntt.
02-28-2002, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by mangeli:
<STRONG>Yea, but everything comes with free sex when installed on Slack.</STRONG>
True, very true.
:cool: Slackware :cool:
Jomboni
03-01-2002, 12:45 AM
Well, I'm finally giving WM a shot - I'm liking it. I'm still tweaking it but now that I've sat down and played with it for more than 2 minutes I think I'll stick it out - at the very least it's faster than Gnome!
uriah.k
03-04-2002, 08:50 AM
Whats that heeky_zombie? Out I go for fluxbox! Heh. Nice to see some
slackware/window maker users! Kick ***.
George Kilroy
03-04-2002, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by TaeShadow:
<STRONG>The single reason why I cannot use Window Maker:
The close button cannot be moved to the left.</STRONG>
That's where the whole open source thing comes in...just go in and switch the part that defines what each button does, then recompile.
George Kilroy
03-04-2002, 11:57 PM
:cool: Oroborus :cool:
* small
* well commented source
* extra fluff like menus/keybinders/panels/clocks all come seperate so you get what you want and only what you want. :D
frew k panik
03-05-2002, 12:42 AM
for everyone looking for the maximize button, just right-click the top bar of whatever window and clikc maximize...
This is how I like to think of WindowMakers Beauty...now not to say this isn't aplicable to other WM's but I think WM (confusion?) has it down pat.
Plain old users conform to their environment.
Where wizzes conform their environment to them.
It's like, when I was new at linux, all I ever used was KDE cuz it was super easy. Now that I've used linux for a while now, I am using WM, and I love it!!
whatever
frozen.flame
03-06-2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>let me educate you all:
:cool: fluxbox :cool:
New version out next week. Comes with free sex when installed on Slack...</STRONG>
Exactly.
Fluxbox supports dockapps, basic themes, right-click program menu, it's easy to make it look nice, it has a task bar, and it has close/maximize/minimize buttons.
Fluxbox is the best! I would like pixmap themes, but it's not a really high priority.
ntt.
03-08-2002, 09:18 AM
In the last two weeks or so I have migrated from KDE, then to Gnome, then IceWM and now FluxBox!
Now there's the beauty of linux for you - choice!!
PimpHolic
03-11-2002, 10:39 PM
read my sig
i installed a patch in BB so i can use the taskbar, and it is simply awesome
but i think it's time for a new theme / wallpaper
me heads over to themes.org
z0mbix
03-12-2002, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by PimpHolic:
<STRONG>read my sig
i installed a patch in BB so i can use the taskbar, and it is simply awesome
but i think it's time for a new theme / wallpaper
me heads over to themes.org</STRONG>
Fluxbox comes with taskbar icons as standard.
Strike
03-12-2002, 10:24 PM
Give me:
1) The ability to have absolutely nothing on my desktop if I want to, and still switch desktops (either via edge-flipping or keyboard shortcuts that can be done easily with one hand so I can do the one hand keyboard, one hand mouse style)
2) The ability to easily see what is going on on my other desktops without having to go to them (snapshotting pager is one way)
3) A way of minimizing/iconifying applications into an area that I can make as big or as small as I want (iconbox or resizable pager)
(and yes, 2 and 3 wouldn't be possible with nothing on my desktop as per 1, but I don't always use 2 and 3, and I really want 1)
4) A way of accessing all apps via a menu system without having to move my mouse anywhere (even my current WM requires me to go to a place on the desktop, afaik)
5) Must be able to shade windows (not that any WM/shell aside from Windows's explore.exe doesn't allow this)
6) Must be able to fully customize the layout of windows and their buttons
There's probably more, but this is what I can come up with, and Enlightenment gives me all this way more than any other WM does without being huge. #4 is the only thing it doesn't fully meet.
demian
03-13-2002, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Strike:
<STRONG>
4) A way of accessing all apps via a menu system without having to move my mouse anywhere (even my current WM requires me to go to a place on the desktop, afaik)</STRONG>
You mean you want to be able to pop up a menu with a mouse button even if you're inside an application window? :confused: FVWM can do that with a keyboard shortcut but I think the same is true for enlightenment. Other than that your list is fully satisfied by FVWM and I command you to switch WMs. NOW! Or else...
gritseater
03-14-2002, 10:41 PM
For a 2 week newbie who is frustrated by the slowness of Nautilus, would switching WM help with speed?
By free sex with Fluxbox, does that mean I'd be screwed? :eek:
JavaCowboy
03-14-2002, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by gritseater:
<STRONG>For a 2 week newbie who is frustrated by the slowness of Nautilus, would switching WM help with speed?
By free sex with Fluxbox, does that mean I'd be screwed? :eek:</STRONG>
I recommend you use KDE until you get more comfortable with the command line. WindowMaker is very lean and has next to nothing in terms of GUI tools. Konqueror will probably be speedy enough of a file manager for your needs.
McBoon
03-16-2002, 11:01 PM
I just got fluxbox up and running.
I've seen a number of screen shots that had applications running like gkrellm, and some others. Also seen panels that ressemble ones from Gnome and KDE.
1. Since I'm still learning fluxbox, how do I get a panel with which I can put applications on?
2. I can load gkrellm but only through a terminal. The terminal I guess is sitting there waiting for the app I just ran to finish so I don't get to type anything else in. Once I close the terminal, it also closes. How do I launch apps without it doing what I said... i.e. launching the app without locking up the terminal?
3. I was able to change the background with the "bsetbg" command but if the picture is too big It crops it. I tried the -f option but it spits out an error saying "bad option". How can I set a background and have it fill the screen?
4. I keep hearing of things call Eterms... what are they?
5. Is it hot in here or is it just me? ... Oh wait. I'm sitting on the stove. NM.
Thanks, BooN
Mnemonic
03-16-2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by McBoon:
<STRONG>1. Since I'm still learning fluxbox, how do I get a panel with which I can put applications on?</STRONG>
You can start the Gnome panel.../usr/bin/panel...or something similar.
<STRONG> 2. I can load gkrellm but only through a terminal. The terminal I guess is sitting there waiting for the app I just ran to finish so I don't get to type anything else in. Once I close the terminal, it also closes. How do I launch apps without it doing what I said... i.e. launching the app without locking up the terminal?</STRONG>
From the terminal command prompt you might type something like the following:
/usr/bin/gkrellm &
Note the amperstand &
<STRONG> 3. I was able to change the background with the "bsetbg" command but if the picture is too big It crops it. I tried the -f option but it spits out an error saying "bad option". How can I set a background and have it fill the screen?
</STRONG>
The -s switch causes the background to be scaled to fit the root window. That is root as in import -window root and not root's.
<STRONG> 4. I keep hearing of things call Eterms... what are they?</STRONG>
An Eterm is like an Xterm (or rxvt, GnomeTerminal, Aterm, etc.). Basically it is another terminal. However, an Eterm is theme-able and is capable of displaying pics as its own background. It even has the ability (given the proper configuration or commandline options) to generate a pseudo transparent background.
I hope this helps...
McBoon
03-17-2002, 12:02 AM
1. for the panel, I used /usr/bin/panel
It showed up but I got an error saying that the current window manager (fluxbox) is not compatible.
2. Work great :) thanks.
3. Esetroot doesn't work. what else do I need installed for that to work? I haven't had any other window manager installed other that those that came with RH7.2 and fluxbox
4. alright thanks. I'll look for that.
Toi Mak
03-17-2002, 01:59 AM
Esetroot is part of Eterm so install that.
Remove the pager and task list from the Gnome panel and it will work fine as a app launcher in blackbox. To get it to start with with fluxbox make your .xinitrc (or .xsession) file look like:
ok. I had a bit of problems installing Eterm but everything is fine now. Just one question remains (or was brought up with Esetroot).
When I click reconfigure on fluxbox... my background disappears. why is that and how do I have it stop doing that?
z0mbix
03-17-2002, 08:39 AM
Edit the style file and change this from:
bsetbg /path/to/backgroundfile
to
Esetroot -f /path/to/backgroundfile
:cool: fluxbox :cool:
Mnemonic
03-17-2002, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Toi Mak:
<STRONG>
Esetroot -s /path/to/backround &
gkrellm -w &
panel &
exec fluxbox</STRONG>
I was a little curious about the -w commandline switch for gkrellm. I know that this switch puts gkrellm in withdrawn mode. What exactly does this mean?
z0mbix
03-17-2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Mnemonic:
<STRONG>I was a little curious about the -w commandline switch for gkrellm. I know that this switch puts gkrellm in withdrawn mode. What exactly does this mean?</STRONG>
It puts any applications you start this switch in 'the slit'.
Mnemonic
03-17-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>It puts any applications you start this switch in 'the slit'.</STRONG>
It has been a while since I have played with Blackbox, but I am not sure that I recall Gkrellm behaving any differently in withdrawn mode or normal mode. Why would anyone want to have Gkrellm run in withdrawn mode?
z0mbix
03-18-2002, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by Mnemonic:
<STRONG>Why would anyone want to have Gkrellm run in withdrawn mode?</STRONG>
-w puts things in the slit. That's why! :)
kuber
03-18-2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Mnemonic:
<STRONG>It has been a while since I have played with Blackbox, but I am not sure that I recall Gkrellm behaving any differently in withdrawn mode or normal mode. Why would anyone want to have Gkrellm run in withdrawn mode?</STRONG>
Because when in the slit (withdrawn) if you use keyboard shortcuts to cycle through windows, gkrellm will not be counted as a window.
It gets rather annoying to have to go through gkrellm each time trying to get to another term or something.
Ludootje
03-18-2002, 04:18 PM
There's another option for all your problems:
- it has it's own taskbar
- you can run panel & kicker with no problems if you don't like the taskbar
- it automatically updates your menu when you installed something new, so you can run gkrellm from the menu
- it looks good too, way better then fb in fact
- it's faster than fb
- it's more stable than fb
- ...
The name is....
:cool:IceWM :cool: - http://www.icewm.org
z0mbix
03-19-2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Ludootje:
<STRONG>
- it's faster than fb
- it's more stable than fb
</STRONG>
Sorry Ludo, but both these statements are absolute rubbish!!! :p
ntt.
03-20-2002, 06:57 AM
Yes, sorry, but I tried IceWM and then changed to Fluxbox about a week later!
Mnemonic
03-20-2002, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by kuber:
<STRONG>Because when in the slit (withdrawn) if you use keyboard shortcuts to cycle through windows, gkrellm will not be counted as a window.
It gets rather annoying to have to go through gkrellm each time trying to get to another term or something.</STRONG>
You are exactly right regarding the annoyance. Thanks for the information. :D
Ludootje
03-30-2002, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by cheeky_zombie:
<STRONG>Sorry Ludo, but both these statements are absolute rubbish!!! :p</STRONG>
No idea what "rubbish", but I don't think it's something positive ;)
Stability: in my experience fb crashed a few times, while ice didn't. When I used libranet and hadn't updated icewm to the latest apt-gettable version, it crashed quite a lot though.
Speed: well, I just have the impression ice is faster than bb/fb, but this will probably depend on the machine.
littleman
03-30-2002, 02:13 PM
It is all darn close, but the order on my tests are BB -> FB -> ICE
1914 john 9 0 1820 1820 1228 S 0.1 1.4 0:06 blackbox
1914 john 8 0 2244 2244 1444 S 0.0 1.7 0:09 fluxbox
1914 john 9 0 2500 2500 1776 S 0.1 1.9 0:01 icewm
McBoon, you could alternatively use DFM (http://www.kaisersite.de/dfm/) in place of the gnome panel. DFM works very well with FB, or any other WM and it is a very easy way to get good looking desktop icons.
Or, you could just create a sub-menu at the top of the menu with you favorite applications. I've found that to be the fastest way to what I need fast.
thonot
04-08-2002, 10:54 AM
I'm looking for a lightweight WM for a P133 I got at work. something small light and fast. I'm thinking maybe BlackBox but I'd appreciate any advice.
demian
04-08-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by thonot:
<STRONG>I'm looking for a lightweight WM for a P133 I got at work. something small light and fast. I'm thinking maybe BlackBox but I'd appreciate any advice.</STRONG>
Yup. Blackbox will do. Also icewm and fvwm2 are light. I used the latter on a P100 w/48MB RAM and it was really uasable. Memory footprint <1MB
sarah31
04-08-2002, 11:27 AM
I'd second all three of those and add Fluxbox as well. Flux is basically Blackbox with a few features added such as tabs.
Disc0stoo
04-08-2002, 05:48 PM
WindowMaker (http://www.windowmaker.org) isn't bad either, although I still prefer Fluxbox (http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net).
flippantfig
04-08-2002, 06:18 PM
I got afterstep (http://www.afterstep.org) running on my box. :)
[ 08 April 2002: Message edited by: flippantfig ]
sheek
04-10-2002, 05:00 PM
Fluxbox is an excellent choice...
Small and fast plus there are tons of wonderful themes for it...
2thumbs
04-10-2002, 05:25 PM
For lightweight I prefer WindowMaker or AmiWM. Although fluxbox/blackbox are really nice also.
Sawdusty
06-02-2002, 04:01 PM
Hello,
I'm attempting to make a system that is easy to use for my family and i don't have to deal with much once it's done. I don't know what to choose for a window manager. I'm currently using icewm, which is all right, but the manual configuration files scheme isn't very good for my family.
The high priority is speed. KDE and gnome are definately out of the question. This system is only a 333... I'm trying to talk them into an upgrade. ;)
However, graphical configuration is also almost a necessity.
Is there anything that fits the bill? The only ones I've found that allow for good graphical configuration are kde and enlightenment. kde is too slow, and E doesn't have a taskbar and other desktop things that would be useful. (desktop icons, on the other hand, are not necessary) Perhaps the new version when it comes out... does anybody know if cvs enlightenment is stable enough for common consumption?
Is there anything that will work here?
Thanks for all suggestions,
Dusty
X_console
06-03-2002, 12:43 PM
Blackbox has a very easy configuration scheme. Most of it is edited by hand, although I hear there's a graphical front end for it. The way it looks will be quite different from Windows and may take some getting used to. If you want to have a kind of "taskbar" you can patch Blackbox or simply use Fluxbox instead (similar to Blackbox but with some enhancement). Blackbox does have icon support if you need it, but will need to be compiled with KDE or GNOME support.
Joeri Sebrechts
06-03-2002, 01:04 PM
Like the other guy said, blackbox is pretty close to what you want, and with bbconf it becomes fully graphically configurable (which is what you wanted). It doesn't have a start button though, so for ex-windows/gnome/kde users it may be a bit of a cold turkey experience at first. http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ http://bbconf.sourceforge.net/
If something that diverges from the windows-norm isn't a problem you can always go with windowmaker. It has never disappointed me. Very stable, pretty fast, and also entirely configurable through the gui (there are in fact two different gui's to do this in). http://www.windowmaker.org
If you want some extra's, like file managers, and panels, and so on, then you could take a look at the rox desktop. It's a bit rough around the edges, and not very pretty, but it does the job. http://rox.sourceforge.net/
Or you could just pick any old file manager off of freshmeat ofcourse (endeavour mark ii looks nice, i'm going to try it one of these days)
Oh, if you really have to have a perfect windows lookalike, there's always qvwm. It can be made to resemble windows 95 or 98 pretty close, but it has a major disadvantage in that it can only be configured through it's config file. http://www.qvwm.org/
cage47
06-04-2002, 12:44 AM
If you've got IceWM just install the icepref package. It is a good graphical IceWM configurator. Will setup anything in IceWM. One other note. 333mhz should be plenty for KDE. But you might wanna beef up on memory. If you have only 64meg go to 128 and you should notice a big diff. I use Mandrake 8.2 with the stock kde on a 450 and only notice a slight lag on program startups (Like Star Office) but most of the smaller progs start fine. Then again, you could just try installing different ones for a while and trying them out to see which one you like best. Best thing about Linux...choices.
Sawdusty
06-04-2002, 01:26 AM
I forgot about this thread... posted it and forgot. been too busy configuring my own new computer. ;)
I'm using fluxbox in my new system... I think I like it. I don't know if it's good for my family or not, but I'll keep exploring. It should at least be fast enough for the 333!
They actually seem happy enough with icewm... I'll maybe try iceprefs for customization and see what they think.
Thanks for the input!
Dusty
slacker_x
06-05-2002, 02:42 AM
I think IceWM is as good as you are going to get for a windows style window manager that is light on resources.
matei
06-07-2002, 06:04 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello!
I am currently running RH 7.3 w/Nautilus and I have had little or no problems. Performance is not bad either. However, I would love to boost performance even more, and I was looking into experimenting with different window managers. I've tried this before, but with disastrous results, so I figured that this time I would ask questions first!
First, I really like the configuration I am using at the moment. What files should I save/backup in case I overwrite them should I return to the Gnome/Nautilus combo?
Can I set a differnt user account on my box to use a totally differnt environment/window manager? I've set other accounts to use KDE in the past, so I guess it would probably be possible.
Lastly... The Windows mentality is so ingrained that something like Enlightenment is foreign to me - the lack of a panel just throws me off. Can anyone recommend any sites that give an overview of the different concepts of the various window managers?
mdwatts
06-07-2002, 06:09 AM
Please delete the other thread in General that you posted in error. Thanks.
Click on the pencil/paper icon, check the delete post box and click Edit.
cowanrl
06-07-2002, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by matei:
<STRONG>
Can I set a differnt user account on my box to use a totally differnt environment/window manager? I've set other accounts to use KDE in the past, so I guess it would probably be possible.
</STRONG>
I also use RH 7.3 and that's what I did to try out KDE 3. I didn't like the version of KDE under RH 7.2 and it turns out I don't like KDE 3 either. So, after trying it out for a while, I just deleted the unused account.
There's some handy apps that came with KDE but most of them can be accessed from the Gnome menu.
I'm not sure about all the files you'd need to back up. If you do use a different account, there should be little danger of ruining your main account. I had no problem with mine. I'd back up everything in your home direcory and possibly everything under /etc/X11. I'd just use the tar command on them and create a tarball.
z0mbix
06-07-2002, 08:29 AM
Have a good look at xwinman.org, then install fluxbox :)
jglen490
06-07-2002, 11:17 AM
I couldn't recommend blackbox or fluxbox, in this case. Much too minimalist, except for some pretty wallpapers that some folks have put up on their installations. IceWM is good, if you also have icepref. XFCE is also very good, although it tends (in my experience) to work a little better with Gnome apps than KDE apps (not a bad thing, just something to watch).
Jomboni
06-11-2002, 05:57 PM
What you might want to do is use Fluxbox with a Gnome panel - so you get the blazing speed of Fluxbox with a handy taskbar!
uriah.k
06-11-2002, 11:00 PM
I think window maker would be good.
The quick launch bar and easy access
to multiple virtual desktops.
Plus it has it's own graphical configuration app. wmprefs.
It's not quite as fast as fluxbox, but really close. The keybindings in fluxbox are the reason I use it and not window maker.
[ 12 June 2002: Message edited by: uriah.k ]
hop-frog
07-06-2002, 10:18 PM
None of the sites I've found had them all, so I decided to make a more complete list. Anyone want to help?
But some of the things you have listed aren't window managers. You have DE's on there, like KDE, GNOME, CDE, UDE, and XCFE. You also have stuff on there like "plwm", which, by my accounts is the Python Library for Window Managers. So, unless there's a different one out there with the same name ... this doesn't count :)
Strike
07-07-2002, 12:58 PM
twm is pretty darn fast :)
hop-frog
07-07-2002, 01:43 PM
xpwm, w2kwm
hop-frog
07-07-2002, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by sonictooth
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Window_Managers/
it seems pretty long i have no idea if it encompass what you already have, btw nice job naming all of those i know hardly any... It didn't take very much work. Just went to a few sites with lists that were long, but were not all complete, so I put them together.
from that site you gave I can add
aewm2, berlin, devolution, & screen
maybe stwm
Originally posted by Strike
You also have stuff on there like "plwm", which, by my accounts is the Python Library for Window Managers. So, unless there's a different one out there with the same name ... this doesn't count the plwm site says it is a python package and a window manager, http://plwm.sourceforge.net/ -you could be right though.
hop-frog
07-07-2002, 02:51 PM
jwm, wwm
hop-frog
07-07-2002, 03:12 PM
found http://www.giccs.georgetown.edu/~ric/wm/ which has more to add:
cwm, sxwm, dtwm, dwim, iwm
solbourne window manager (could this be the same as small window manager?)
xfwm is for xfce
visual user enviroment (might be related to vuewm)
Disc0stoo
07-07-2002, 04:44 PM
From what I understand, newer versions of KDE are faster. I wouldn't know, because I hate KDE with all of my heart and soul, but you could look into a newer version (3.0?). Also isn't Mandrake 8.0 a pretty old version? You could get a newer version of Mandrake, or another distro period, with newer/faster software. But as far as WM's go, just look at my sig to see my 3 fav's. They're all much better/faster than KDE could ever hope to be.
sarah31
07-07-2002, 05:02 PM
Waimea is fast too, though it does take a little configuration. I tried xfce the other day and it was fairly fast too. For DE's I always found gnome less pretty but far more functional.
hop-frog
07-07-2002, 05:29 PM
ahwm
danrees
07-07-2002, 06:16 PM
FWIW, I have finally given Enlightenment a worthwhile run today and I'm pretty damn impressed. I was always put off before because the default themes were so damn ugly :D
It's pretty speedy and it looks great if you get a decent theme:
e16 + debiane theme + wallpaper from deviantart.com (http://www.btinternet.com/~daniel.w.rees/images/070702e16.jpg)
Yeah, those were my feelings too, default themes looked like ****, but there are some great ones out there. And once you start digging into the config files yourself you find that pretty much EVERYTHING is configurable. It's a great WM, more people should use it. Window Maker is kinda the same way. It's looks nasty until you start screwing with config files.
knute
07-08-2002, 12:06 AM
This is slightly off from what the question was, but with Window Maker, I found the handiest thing in that WM for kids.
You can set it up so that no matter what they do to the screen, it won't be saved on log out/log in.
Great so that you don't have to worry about the kids messing up the profile!
hop-frog
07-08-2002, 08:59 PM
swim
read that it was made in 1985, so I don't know if it would work in X11R6
hop-frog
07-16-2002, 09:09 PM
another linux DE: freedom desktop
edit: this one costs money, but there is a demo
hop-frog
07-16-2002, 11:38 PM
ALDE, http://www.dune.home.pl/
It calls itself a desktop (or user) environment for linux.
:D Just browse this forum (http://linuxnewbie.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22) for all sorts of opinions. :D
ralph wiggum
07-22-2002, 02:45 PM
:rolleyes:
jglen490
07-22-2002, 03:03 PM
There are others, but this one (http://www.xwinman.org/index.html) is good.
hop-frog
07-22-2002, 10:44 PM
two more:
blwm (based off of qvwm, but this is in porteguese)
jewel (continuation of the sapphire project, aewm++)
hop-frog
07-22-2002, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by jglen490
There are others, but this one (http://www.xwinman.org/index.html) is good.
This site is nice, but don't judge the window manager by those screenshots -or by the fact that it is listed on the `others' page.
The screenshots on that site are all really ugly.
Most any window manager can look nice if you put a little bit of work into it.
Dun'kalis
07-23-2002, 12:25 AM
There can all be customized, sure, unless they are TWM *shudder*. That thing is UGLY.
if anyone asks which window manager they should use/try give them this list, this is an interesting comparison to windows which has...one
hop-frog
07-30-2002, 12:11 AM
how did you get the list all nice and neat?
did you use the sort command?
hop-frog
07-31-2002, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by hop-frog
xnwm
interviews (may be the same as iwm --looking into it)
pstwm
vwm
tkwm
cwm (might be for cde)
arswm
ewm
gtkwm
I guess dtwm is the wm for cde...
hop-frog
09-07-2002, 12:24 AM
cwwm (http://cwwm.chezwam.org/)
correction: there is an underscore in "m_swm"
hop-frog
09-07-2002, 07:27 PM
perlbox (http://www.perlbox.org/)
sonictooth
09-08-2002, 03:35 PM
ok i'll add those, just so you know i acutally loaded the file in python and sorted etc... i don't know why.
Dun'kalis
09-10-2002, 06:41 PM
I say the strangest one is OpenLook. Its freaky. Me no like OpenLook.
I'd say the most innovative would be Enlightenment. Doesn't mean its my favorite, just the most innovative.
hop-frog
09-11-2002, 12:00 AM
go ahead and dis openlook
just don't dis openwindows and olwm
openwindows is my favorite wm
I only don't use it because it is ugly and sometimes it freezes linux up really bad, so I don't recommend it to anyone
other than that I think it has the most efficient arrangement of any desktop (spanning any os) and it is certainly one of the easiest (easy is good)
the xview/NeWS toolkits use a' keep It simple stupid' (but not so much of the stupid) philosophy that has been swept under the carpet by every other os
a shame.
I'm currently molding oroborus into a hopefully good-looking, modern openwindows So far I have the 'close' part finished (iconification to a desktop icon).
hop-frog
09-11-2002, 12:56 AM
here's (http://www.joerch.org/wwm/) the professed 'weird[est] window manager'
(though I have to disagree with the author)
o0zi
09-11-2002, 02:11 AM
Does anyone have any idea what the fastest yet usable window manager is? I looked on the net for help with speeding up KDE, but I didn't find much. I'm running a 300Mhz, so I need all the speed I can get.
o0zi
Timothy L. Miller
09-11-2002, 02:20 AM
As always with this type of question, one of the lighter weight windows managers will be much faster than a full desktop environment. Blackbox/Fluxbox/Waimea are extremely popular (I group them because they are all based off of fluxbox), along with enlightenment, and WindowManager (Creative name, no?). My preferred is fluxbox. If you like that "start menu" feel, you might want to check out iceWM, since it has the whole taskbar like kde without much of the bloat. No matter what, definitely read up on customizing it, since pretty much all of them are fairly ugly when you first use them.
TacKat
09-11-2002, 05:18 PM
Just some corrections.
Blackbox/Fluxbox/Waimea are extremely popular (I group them because they are all based off of fluxbox), along with enlightenment, and WindowManager (Creative name, no?).
The various *box window managers are based off of Blackbox, not Fluxbox (they're all decendents of Blackbox).
The name isn't WindowManager (unless there's one I hadn't heard of and google didn't see). You're probably thinking of WindowMaker.
Dun'kalis
09-11-2002, 05:45 PM
That wwm isn't odd...Its just boring.
I've tried olvwm, and its the oddest interface I've ever used. I could never get used to it.
hop-frog
09-11-2002, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Dun'kalis
I've tried olvwm, and its the oddest interface I've ever used. I could never get used to it.
i don't care too much for olvwm either
Dun'kalis
09-11-2002, 08:51 PM
I've been experimenting with window managers and such, and I've tried a bunch lately. I've tried:
There is no configure file to run, and I'm stumped.
richjoyce
09-11-2002, 09:14 PM
i thought you wanted the most customizable window manager
not one with absolute ZERO config
btw i get compile errors too:
gcc -c -O2 Manager.C
Manager.C: In method `WindowManager::WindowManager ()':
Manager.C:86: cannot convert `void (*) (...)' to `void (*) (int)' in
assignment
Manager.C:87: cannot convert `void (*) (...)' to `void (*) (int)' in
assignment
Manager.C:88: cannot convert `void (*) (...)' to `void (*) (int)' in
assignment
make: *** [Manager.o] Error 1
Metalhead01
09-11-2002, 09:24 PM
It's easy to install & configure, and loads up fast. I don't like Waimea because the seperate desktops are only accessible by moving your cursor to one side, which switches it over. That's the one thing I HATED about Enlightenment. WindowMaker is cool, but editing the menu is tedious.
hop-frog
09-11-2002, 10:38 PM
dependancies for wm2
libm.so.6
libc.so.6
libXt.so.6
libXmu.so.6
libXext.so.6 <<<< is in XFree86-libs
libX11.so.6
libSM.so.6
libICE.so.6
ld-linux.so.2
if you have it already edit the makefile so that the line that says -lXext says -L /usr/directory/that/has/ext/ just before the -lXext entry
do_guh_new
09-11-2002, 11:21 PM
I don't like Waimea because the seperate desktops are only accessible by moving your cursor to one side, which switches it over. That's the one thing I HATED about Enlightenment. WindowMaker is cool, but editing the menu is tedious.
well enlightement has an option to turn that off :rolleyes: it's under your virtual desktop settings. That annoyed me too till I found out how to turn it off
Minus
09-12-2002, 12:07 AM
you can turn it off in waimea too.
Check out the fluxboxish action file on the waimea page if you are interested
The Elf
09-12-2002, 02:31 AM
Chalk up a vote for WM! Something perfectly functional, easy to use, and oh how sleek and different from the MS world!
Timothy L. Miller
09-12-2002, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by TacKat
Just some corrections.
The various *box window managers are based off of Blackbox, not Fluxbox (they're all decendents of Blackbox).
The name isn't WindowManager (unless there's one I hadn't heard of and google didn't see). You're probably thinking of WindowMaker.
I meant blackbox there...
And yeah, I did mean WindowMaker, just not awake enough to get it right...still, not a very original name. But you'll always know what it does.
The Elf
09-12-2002, 05:06 PM
I don't think any of them are terribly innovative. The time for innovation in this area is long past! Now they just pick and choose what they liked about other GUI's, incorporate their favorite features and the look they want, and product a non-innovative window manager.
demian
09-12-2002, 05:52 PM
It's actually not only a window manager but a lot more and surely different from any of the standard X11 wms:
3dwm (http://www.3dwm.org)
littleman
09-12-2002, 09:02 PM
ICEwm is also a very good choice if you are looking for the traditional taskbar look and feel. It is about the same footprint as FB.
Dun'kalis
09-12-2002, 11:27 PM
Window Maker is good. If you want the absolute lightest window manager, try twm. Its ugly as hell, though. Besides, Window Maker would be perfect for your PC. Supposedly, its very similar to Rapshody DR1.
kam
09-12-2002, 11:39 PM
I use IceWM and like it very much. If you're from Windows, it is very familiar, and is still quite speedy.
Minus
09-13-2002, 09:57 AM
try PWM. It is very light (much lighter weight than twm. It takes about as much memory as a dockapp.) It has tabs, and is functional.
medrewsclues
09-15-2002, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Metalhead01
It's easy to install & configure, and loads up fast. I don't like Waimea because the seperate desktops are only accessible by moving your cursor to one side, which switches it over. That's the one thing I HATED about Enlightenment. WindowMaker is cool, but editing the menu is tedious.
i use enlightenment and i just use the scroll wheel to change desktops.
Wallex
09-15-2002, 12:41 AM
One thing to remember is that the windows manager is not everything when it comes to speed... you also have to consider the apps you will use. Before: KDE... I hated the load up times for everything.. I switched to Fluxbox. Then everything was fast, but... loading up the programs I used in KDE was still too slow! My suggestion is to get a light windows manager and start swapping your selection of programs as well.
Before my filemanager was konqueror and it was slow as a snail, now I use FileRunner and even if it isn't so totally 'eye-candy', it has all the functionality I ask for, and it isn't hard to customize either. I have recently just swapped from Evolution to Sylpheed too, because the later is much quicker to load up. I vote for Flux on the matter of windows managers... it isn't the lightest of all (but it's still very light) but it's easy to set up and is highly configurable.. I love my keybindings... being able to set all your window-managing-functions (stuff like maximizing, shading, switching desktops, and so on) to any keys you want is as high as functionality goes. By the way, I haven't played around with other window managers, but common sense dictates that all of them should have keybindings. Anyway, leaving that aside, tabs are a cool feature to help you organize windows.
I've talked enough already... Flux already has too many votes for today.
EDIT: Is it just me or all k-programs are SLOW? Maybe I just broke down my original windowsmanager somehow, but it doesn't matters, I am happy with my gtk-based programs, now that is speed.
Icarus
09-15-2002, 12:46 AM
IceWM, runs sweet on a p100 ;)
mXskweeb
09-15-2002, 01:35 AM
I switched to Fluxbox. Then everything was fast, but... loading up the programs I used in KDE was still too slow!
Same here - in fact I'm certain KDE apps loaded even slower once I switched to Flux. Now I don't know crap about how KDE actually works, but I figured this phenomenon had something to do with this thing called a DCOP server, which was not running under Flux and had to start (at least for the first KDE app?). So what I did was modify /usr/bin/startkde to use Flux as my window manager instead of KDE's, then put 'startkde' in my .xinitrc. Maybe it's just my imagination but it seems like KDE apps load at their normal speed, and everything else benefits from the speed of Flux. I agree it's best to avoid KDE apps on slower machines, but there are a few I just like, and this seems to be a good compromise. Thanks for the tips on a few good replacements for slow apps, too. Let me add Rox Filer to the list under file managers.
BTW, I hope this doesn't sound like I'm saying the startkde/.xinitrc thing was my idea - I'm sure it's documented all over the place and most Flux/Blackbox & Waimea users do the same. I just thought it might be useful for this discussion.
Wallex
09-15-2002, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by mXskweeb
... but I figured this phenomenon had something to do with this thing called a DCOP server, ... Rox Filer to the list under file managers. ...
Yeah I noticed the DCOP server issue... I think that's the server used by KDE to synchronize communication between apps (like drag and drop stuff). Even the Konsole is messed up when started from Flux (now I use aterm which is ultra-light and looks excellent, it has very little functionality but that doesn't really matters for a terminal). And Rox filer doesn't only qualifies as a file-manager, you can almost use it to replace a desktop manager (KDE/Gnome), it even allows you use icons. Altough I don't need any of that.. I just need the speed of Flux: Light programs and keybindings: working at the speed of light.
evulish
09-15-2002, 11:39 AM
Two thumbs up for WindowMaker. It's all I use. Nice, quick and small. It's also easy to theme.
I don't like enlightenment...since I can never find it. (*nudge nudge* Get it? :-D)
galenthurber
09-15-2002, 02:08 PM
I've toosed out gnome and kde after years of use and moved to XFCE.
Manual menu entries [plus auto import of gnome and kde menus] , easy to configure
fast on the slower machines, not to mention a reliable sound server
I also enjoy E16.
kill bloatware !
Gnufsh
09-20-2002, 11:32 PM
I'm gonna have to start trying more wms...
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